i am homosexual, yet i am Catholic

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Hello Equinox,

You’re awful young to be so certain of your sexual orientation. Why have you been so preoccupied with sex that at your age you’re already defining yourself as a homosexual? Puberty starts at different times and lasts for different periods of time for everyone. It can start as early as 9 years of age to as late as 13 1/2 years of age. The sequence of pubertal development usually ranges from 2 to 5 years. Let’s say you’re an early bloomer, starting puberty @ 9 yrs, and completing development in only 2 yrs. At 18 years of age, that leaves you with only 7 years as a sexual adult. That’s barely enough time for most folks to obtain a college degree, let alone start practicing what they have learned.

Sex is a responsibility, not a right of personal pleasure (we’re told the opposite by society in many different and often very subversive ways). The fact that sex is a responsibility is exactly why God governs the rules about it. Maybe you need to take a break from defining yourself as a homosexual or a heterosexual. Maybe you should just put it all on the back burner until you figure out how important you want sex to be in your life. It’s not the end-all be-all of existance. Many many people live without it, and still many many more don’t know how to handle it responsibly whether they are homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual. God calls us to love one another, not “get it on” with one another.

It is an extrememly sad predicament for you to feel you have to choose between loving the pleasures of the flesh rather than loving the simple love of God and your fellow man. Homosexual relations are physically abusive to both participants (even if the opposite appears to be true in the moment). If you truely love someone, you would not physically abuse them in such ways.

Please be very careful of the decisions you make now at your age. Please pray long and often. God loves you, He does not want to see you hurt.
 
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solarwind23:
I am curious, were you always a homosexual? When did you first know? What does it mean to be a homosexual?

Thanks!
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Yes I guess you could say I always knew, when did I first know, well when did you first know you we heterosexual? It means the same as being heterosexual, but my feelings are towards men. Please note as I don’t know how a heterosexual thinks or feels I really don’t know how to answer them questions.
 
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Equinox:
Yes I guess you could say I always knew, when did I first know, well when did you first know you we heterosexual? It means the same as being heterosexual, but my feelings are towards men. Please note as I don’t know how a heterosexual thinks or feels I really don’t know how to answer them questions.
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These feelings could be “transitory” feelings.
 
BeeSweet!:
Hello Equinox,

You’re awful young to be so certain of your sexual orientation. Why have you been so preoccupied with sex that at your age you’re already defining yourself as a homosexual? Puberty starts at different times and lasts for different periods of time for everyone. It can start as early as 9 years of age to as late as 13 1/2 years of age. The sequence of pubertal development usually ranges from 2 to 5 years. Let’s say you’re an early bloomer, starting puberty @ 9 yrs, and completing development in only 2 yrs. At 18 years of age, that leaves you with only 7 years as a sexual adult. That’s barely enough time for most folks to obtain a college degree, let alone start practicing what they have learned.

Sex is a responsibility, not a right of personal pleasure (we’re told the opposite by society in many different and often very subversive ways). The fact that sex is a responsibility is exactly why God governs the rules about it. Maybe you need to take a break from defining yourself as a homosexual or a heterosexual. Maybe you should just put it all on the back burner until you figure out how important you want sex to be in your life. It’s not the end-all be-all of existance. Many many people live without it, and still many many more don’t know how to handle it responsibly whether they are homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual. God calls us to love one another, not “get it on” with one another.

It is an extrememly sad predicament for you to feel you have to choose between loving the pleasures of the flesh rather than loving the simple love of God and your fellow man. Homosexual relations are physically abusive to both participants (even if the opposite appears to be true in the moment). If you truely love someone, you would not physically abuse them in such ways.

Please be very careful of the decisions you make now at your age. Please pray long and often. God loves you, He does not want to see you hurt.
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Thank You for your (name removed by moderator)ut. However I know what my sexual orientation is, as im sure that most people of my age do to. Nevertheless it’s amusing to think that you yourself may still change your sexual orientation. (No offence, but please do not try to patronise me with niceness and maybes)

God Bless
 
You’re awful young to be so certain of your sexual orientation. Why have you been so preoccupied with sex that at your age you’re already defining yourself as a homosexual? Puberty starts at different times and lasts for different periods of time for everyone. It can start as early as 9 years of age to as late as 13 1/2 years of age. The sequence of pubertal development usually ranges from 2 to 5 years. Let’s say you’re an early bloomer, starting puberty @ 9 yrs, and completing development in only 2 yrs. At 18 years of age, that leaves you with only 7 years as a sexual adult. That’s barely enough time for most folks to obtain a college degree, let alone start practicing what they have learned.
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Hi BeeSweet,

I would say that 18 is probably enough time to have established sexual orientation. We are at our physical, psychological and sexual peak at the age of only 21 - I would say 18 is probably old enough.
 
**[Homosexuality and Hope

](http://www.cathmed.org/publications/homosexuality.html)** Statement of the Catholic Medical Association

**** CONTENTS
Code: 
 I             CONSIDERATIONS 

         Introduction
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         Not born that way
  2. Code: 
        Same sex attraction as a symptom
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        Same-sex attraction is preventable
  4. Code: 
        At-risk, not predestined
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           Therapy
  6. Code: 
        Goal of therapy
    II RECOMMENDATIONS
  7. Code: 
            Ministry to individuals experiencing same-sex attraction
  8. Code: 
        The role of the priest
  9. Code: 
            Catholic medical professionals
  10. Code: 
            Teachers in Catholic institutions
  11. Code: 
             Catholic families
  12. Code: 
        The Catholic community
  13. Code: 
            Bishops
  14. Hope ****
 
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Equinox:
I could always say the same about you.
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I am well out of my teens so “transitory” feelings are unlikely. Transitory feelings are common in teens due to hormonal issues.
 
From Homesxuality and Hope

Anecdotal reports of individuals or organizations under Catholic auspices or directly associated with the Catholic Church, counseling persons with same-sex attractions to practice fidelity in same-sex relationships rather than chastity according to their state in life are quite distressing. It is most important that Church-related counselors or support groups be very clear about the nature and genesis of same-sex attraction. This condition is not genetically or biologically determined. This condition is not unchangeable. It is deceitful to counsel individuals experiencing same-sex attractions that it is acceptable to engage in sexual acts provided these occur within the context of a faithful relationship. The teachings of the Catholic Church on sexual morality are explicitly clear and do not allow exceptions. Catholics have a right to know the truth and those working with or for Catholic institutions have an obligation to clearly enunciate that truth.

Some clerics, perhaps because they erroneously believe that same-sex attraction is genetically determined and unchangeable, have encouraged individuals experiencing same-sex attractions to identify with the gay community, by publicly proclaiming themselves gay or lesbian, but live chastity in their personal lives. There are several reasons why this is a misguided course of action: 1) It is based on the mistaken idea that same-sex attraction is an unchangeable aspect of the individual and discourages persons from seeking help; 2) The “gay” community promotes an ethic of sexual behavior which is totally antithetical to the Catholic teaching on sexuality and has made no secret of its desire to eliminate “erotophobia” and “heterosexism.” (There is simply no way the position articulated by spokespersons for the “gay” movement and the teachings of the Catholic church can be reconciled); 3) It puts easily tempted persons into places which must be considered the near occasion of sin.; 4) It creates a false hope that the Church will eventually change its teaching on sexual morality. Catholics must, of course, reach out to individuals experiencing same-sex attraction, to those actively involved in homosexual acts, and particularly to those suffering from sexually transmitted diseases, with love,
 
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Equinox:
Thank You for your (name removed by moderator)ut. However I know what my sexual orientation is, as im sure that most people of my age do to. Nevertheless it’s amusing to think that you yourself may still change your sexual orientation. (No offence, but please do not try to patronise me with niceness and maybes)

God Bless
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Obviously I’ve offended you, which is far from my intent. Please don’t feel patronised. It was also not my intent to insinuate you could change your orientation. I hope that you will examine how important you want sex to be in your life. Don’t let sex control you, you should be the one in control.

I lived for a very long time far far away from the church, and outside the grace of God. I am still living outside the grace of God although working to come back into good graces. My words to you are spoken out of concern because I’ve made choices that are difficult to change now that I am at a later age.

I’m just hoping you will be very cautious. Be very sure. I made a whole lot of solid decisions based on shaky reasoning. Examine your conscience, and pray for guidence.
 
The problem with the linked article is that it is biased. It is from a Catholic viewpoint, and thus comprimises on scientific understanding, or open mindedness. The article takes the stance that we are all created perfectly, and somehow it is our environment that affects our orientation, not genetics. Where as this can be disproved by looking at genetic defects. There is also the matter of homosexuality in nature, if God creates us all as heterosexuals, and homosexuality is merely a choice or a disillusion, then why do we see the presence of homosexuality among sheep, penguins, buffalos etc.

Further more, it does not seem to mention the scientific research that supports the genetic argument. It cannot explain the most simple questions, such as “Why have I only ever beem homosexual, even with perfect psychological health”.

This article is flawed.
 
buffalo said:
**[Homosexuality and Hope

](http://www.cathmed.org/publications/homosexuality.html)** Statement of the Catholic Medical Association

**** CONTENTS
Code: 
 I             CONSIDERATIONS 

         Introduction
  1. Code: 
         Not born that way
  2. Code: 
        Same sex attraction as a symptom
  3. Code: 
        Same-sex attraction is preventable
  4. Code: 
        At-risk, not predestined
  5. Code: 
           Therapy
  6. Code: 
        Goal of therapy
    II RECOMMENDATIONS
  7. Code: 
            Ministry to individuals experiencing same-sex attraction
  8. Code: 
        The role of the priest
  9. Code: 
            Catholic medical professionals
  10. Code: 
            Teachers in Catholic institutions
  11. Code: 
             Catholic families
  12. Code: 
        The Catholic community
  13. Code: 
            Bishops
  14. Code: 
        Hope ****
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(Laughs his head off) Please, please, please, go onto another topic, I have applied to the best medical schools in the country, and been accepted to all of them. “Catholic Medical Association” Doctors to not try to dictate religion, so maybe the Catholic Church should not try to dictate or pretend to know anything about ‘homosexual’ medical issues. (If there are any)
 
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Libero:
The problem with the linked article is that it is biased.
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And articles which reject Catholic teaching and claim to be “scientific” are unbiased?
It is from a Catholic viewpoint, and thus comprimises on scientific understanding, or open mindedness.
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Untrue. It starts from the correct position that truth exists and may be known.
 
Equinox said:
(Laughs his head off) Please, please, please, go onto another topic, I have applied to the best medical schools in the country, and been accepted to all of them. “Catholic Medical Association” Doctors to not try to dictate religion, so maybe the Catholic Church should not try to dictate or pretend to know anything about ‘homosexual’ medical issues. (If there are any)
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And who’s indulging in a little patronising behavior now? Hmm?
 
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Libero:
The problem with the linked article is that it is biased. It is from a Catholic viewpoint, and thus comprimises on scientific understanding, or open mindedness. The article takes the stance that we are all created perfectly, and somehow it is our environment that affects our orientation, not genetics. Where as this can be disproved by looking at genetic defects. There is also the matter of homosexuality in nature, if God creates us all as heterosexuals, and homosexuality is merely a choice or a disillusion, then why do we see the presence of homosexuality among sheep, penguins, buffalos etc.

Further more, it does not seem to mention the scientific research that supports the genetic argument. It cannot explain the most simple questions, such as “Why have I only ever beem homosexual, even with perfect psychological health”.

This article is flawed.
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No. The article is not flawed. We have had the animal argument before. Humans are not animals. Don’t even bring it up, it is not relevant.

The Biological Research on Homosexualityt is important to note that serious research on the biology, innateness, or genetic determinants of homosexuality has only just recently begun. Exactly opposite to what the public is being led to believe, the research that has been done thus far suggests that genetic factors account for, at most, but a small proportion of the risk. J. M. Bailey and R. C. Pillard, two of the major researchers most widely cited as having demonstrated that “homosexuality is genetic,” were forced to admit otherwise by the results of their own research. They themselves wrote:

These studies were designed to detect heritable variation, and if it was present, to counter the prevalent belief that sexual orientation is largely the product of family interactions and the social environment… Although male and female homosexuality appear to be at least somewhat heritable, environment must also be of considerable importance in their origins.{1}
 
And articles which reject Catholic teaching and claim to be “scientific” are unbiased?
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Medical and Genetic research do not have a bias (or most of them at least).
Untrue. It starts from the correct position that truth exists and may be known.
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Could you perhaps explain why it is untrue? - In greater clairty if you feel you already have 🙂
 
No. The article is not flawed. We have had the animal argument before. Humans are not animals. Don’t even bring it up, it is not relevant.
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It is very relevant - it proves that homosexuality is not psychological, and also, humans evolved from animals.

Once again, this is from a Catholic source NARTH - it is biased.
 
Equinox said:
(Laughs his head off) Please, please, please, go onto another topic, I have applied to the best medical schools in the country, and been accepted to all of them. “Catholic Medical Association” Doctors to not try to dictate religion, so maybe the Catholic Church should not try to dictate or pretend to know anything about ‘homosexual’ medical issues. (If there are any)
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From Cathmed:

“Homosexuality and Hope” is the result of a two-year study by a special task force of The Catholic Medical Association (CMA). Based on current scientific facts and the practical experience of task force members, “Homosexuality and Hope” outlines a positive program of providing help, support and hope for those homosexual persons who wish to live in union with the Catholic Church. Topics included in the report are: current myths advanced in the literature, the early identification of same sex attraction, and a treatment program to help individuals live in full communion with the Catholic Church.
 
BeeSweet!:
And who’s indulging in a little patronising behavior now? Hmm?
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When it feels likes it’s you against the word, one dose tend to lash out.

May God Be With All
 
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Libero:
It is very relevant - it proves that homosexuality is not psychological, and also, humans evolved from animals.

Once again, this is from a Catholic source NARTH - it is biased.
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You win! We will use Kinssy’s discredited research.
 
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