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Sovereignty
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I am a Christian of no denomination. Am I going to hell?
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puzzleannie
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no one here is qualified to answer that question. Do you know, love and serve God, obey his commands, hear his word and obey it? Do you love God with your whole heart, your whole mind and your whole soul, and do you love your neighbor as yourself? Jesus had a lot to say about salvation, so read and heed.
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Tantum_ergo
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Only you and God will know the answer to that question when you die. Certainly He will give you sufficient grace for salvation, so if you do wind up ‘hot’, it won’t be His idea! Equally certainly no Catholic is going to say that you’re going to hell because (I’ll take a guess that this is what you’re wondering) you’re not Catholic… .
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believers
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You don’t have to.
Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jhn 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
A Christian is born again at the time he/she repents (“a change of one’s mind toward God and an abhorrence to sin”) and believes the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Mark 1:15). This person is baptized with the Holy Spirit and with the Holy fire of God (Mat 3:11) (Which is why you see many born again believers with much zeal myself included)
We are now crucified with Christ, nevertheless we live, not I, but Christ living in me and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. (Gal 2:20). We know that we MUST now live our lives according to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and appear blameless when we appear before Him (1Thessalonians 5:23). Sanctified by the Word of God (John 17:17). We are servants given authority until our Master returns (Mar 13:34). Preaching the Gospel as faithful servants. (Mar 16:15)
When we were born again… Jesus forgave us of ALL of our sins. We remember that we were purged from our sins (2 Peter 1:9). We are a new creature in Christ. (2 Corinthians 5:17) We turn away from sin and live our life ACCORDING to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This is a very narrow path we live. But we know that the Word of God is a lamp unto our feet (Psa 119:105). If we happen to transgress, we confess our sin unto the Lord (Psa 32:5)
Our great commandment is to love God with ALL of our heart, soul, mind and strength (Mark 12:30) and love one another.
You will know other believers by their fruit (Mat 7:20). Walking in love (Eph 5:2), forgiving always (Eph 4:32, Col 3:13), loving our enemies, blessing them that curse us (Mat 5:44).
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Sovereignty
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Christ is my saviour and I’ve accepted him into my heart . I believe in God and all the basic principles of the Bible and do my best to follow them. But what I don’t understand is why there is any necessity for denominations or Catholicism. I always thought Christianity was just Christianity. I have the tendency to believe that God isn’t as dogmatic as certain sects of Christianity are including the Catholic faith. I mean no offense by this so please don’t misunderstand my meaning. My best friend is Catholic and we debate doctrine often… What I really want to know is why the pope said that non Roman Catholics aren’t saved, given the Pope is a learned man. ( I may be wrong about this, if so I apologize. it has been awhile since I heard the quote. He may not have said it at all but I think I remember him saying it.)
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bpbasilphx
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A Christian is born again at the time he/she repents (“a change of one’s mind toward God and an abhorrence to sin”) and believes the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Mark 1:15).
**Wrong.
The gospel of easy-believe is NOT the Gospel of Christ.
There’s a difference between being born again and a conversion experience.
Jesus said in John 3 that being born again is water baptism.
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**Wrong.
The gospel of easy-believe is NOT the Gospel of Christ.
There’s a difference between being born again and a conversion experience.
Jesus said in John 3 that being born again is water baptism.
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bpbasilphx
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BTW, Sovereignty.
The title you gave this thread is asking about the nature of your soul.
But the title has nothing to do with the question you asked in the posting proper. Whether or not you go to hell has nothing to do with understanding the nature of the soul.
The title you gave this thread is asking about the nature of your soul.
But the title has nothing to do with the question you asked in the posting proper. Whether or not you go to hell has nothing to do with understanding the nature of the soul.
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vocatio
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I believe he is asking us if we, Catholics, believe he will be saved or “is saved”. That is not for any man to decide. We have no idea except that it is possible for members of an ecclesial community to be saved just as it is possible for a Catholic to be saved. We can not be the judge of another person’s soul. Only God can make that judgement…the final judgement.
Another truth is that Catholics accept Christ in their hearts too. This is encouraged but we continue that journey throughout our life. Conversion is an ongoing process, not a light switch, even though that can happen and has been known to happen with many. And baptism is part of the salvation plan. Peter says “repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins”. another passage says “water now doth save you”…paraphrasing is acceptable to Catholics. Sure I can pull BCV on you but why? To impress a non-Catholic… why? I used to be a bible thumping Christian that believed that OSAS, Believers Prayer and FAITH ONLY Christians were bound to hell anyway…right up there with Catholics.
But I’ve come a long way.
Be at peace, those who would say that you are not saved are not in line with the teachings of the Catholic Church. Practice your faith to the best of your ability. But make sure you obey the sabbath law as well… GO TO CHURCH! And crack that book open more often. It is God’s word. But don’t try to use it as a weapon of mass destruction. It’s kind of silly to attack the organization established by Christ that put together the book we call the bible.
But here’s an interesting question. If you believe in Jesus Christ as your savior and the bible then why not obey the sabbath?
Another truth is that Catholics accept Christ in their hearts too. This is encouraged but we continue that journey throughout our life. Conversion is an ongoing process, not a light switch, even though that can happen and has been known to happen with many. And baptism is part of the salvation plan. Peter says “repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins”. another passage says “water now doth save you”…paraphrasing is acceptable to Catholics. Sure I can pull BCV on you but why? To impress a non-Catholic… why? I used to be a bible thumping Christian that believed that OSAS, Believers Prayer and FAITH ONLY Christians were bound to hell anyway…right up there with Catholics.
But I’ve come a long way.Be at peace, those who would say that you are not saved are not in line with the teachings of the Catholic Church. Practice your faith to the best of your ability. But make sure you obey the sabbath law as well… GO TO CHURCH! And crack that book open more often. It is God’s word. But don’t try to use it as a weapon of mass destruction. It’s kind of silly to attack the organization established by Christ that put together the book we call the bible.
But here’s an interesting question. If you believe in Jesus Christ as your savior and the bible then why not obey the sabbath?
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CatsAndDogs
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You believe in just “the basic” principles of Christianity? What about all the others?
How can you tell what is “basic” and what is “not-basic”?
The Church is “the Church”, and not a collection of “denominations”. The Church IS Catholicism, by the way.
No. Christianity is the Church, and the Church is Christianity.
Why? What do you think you mean by “dogmatic”?
The Church contains all those who are saved, many of whom are not “Catholics”. (The “Roman” rite is just a very large percentage of all Catholics.)
But the best way to have the best chance of BEING saved is to be in full communion with the Church proper, which is to BE a Catholic.
The nature of your soul is not for anyone but God to know. Your degree of being in communion with the Church (Catholic) (essentially, your degree of being in the state of sin [venial or mortal]), and the degree of your “invincible ignorance” as to the NEED to BE a Catholic is what determines your “fitness” for your choosing heaven or hell.
Any questions?
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Sovereignty
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Well I mean I believe everything the Bible says but I’m not sure about interperatations of the Bible. For example the anti-Christ I don’t think will be any one person, but the corruption of our society and many people in authority. I worded this post badly.
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BlestOne
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Sovereignty,
I think you are on the right path…
But what you have to ask yourself is what interpretation is right and who has the authority to interpret… go back to the time of the apostles… (Acts of the Apostles) and read there and then go past the Apostles (Early Church Fathers) and read more…
I think you are on the right path…
But what you have to ask yourself is what interpretation is right and who has the authority to interpret… go back to the time of the apostles… (Acts of the Apostles) and read there and then go past the Apostles (Early Church Fathers) and read more…
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BlestOne
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There is a 10 week course in Revelations that is awesome that you would probably enjoy… it is part of the Great Adventure series…it was awesome!
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jmcrae
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Who can say, except for God?
As to the nature of your soul (the question in your headline), it is spiritual, rational, and eternal.
If you wanted to know the condition of your soul, consult a good Examination of Conscience.
One priest I met one time, also recommends that you meditate for three days on the Sermon on the Mount, which we find in Matthew chapters 5, 6, and 7, to see whether you measure up to Christ’s standards. Don’t just skim through the reading - meditate on it and pray with it, line by line.
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CatsAndDogs
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No, you did great!
I agree with you about the anti-Christ, by the way, and I don’t believe that the anti-Christ has been defined dogmatically (by the Church [Catholic]), so we’re free to see it as it makes most sense to us as long as our interpretation of it doesn’t violate some actual dogma/doctrine of the Church.
Without the Magisterium, there is no way to know whether one’s interpretations of the bible, or any other part of the deposit of faith (such as private revelation or non-scriptural public revelations), are correct or not.
So, how do you, if you don’t believe that the Magisterium is what the Church says it is, decide whether any particular interpretation of any part of scripture, or any other part of the deposit of faith, is correct or not?
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ricko
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One of our famous Bishops said, “Everyone wants to go to heaven but not everyone wants to do what is required”. By refusing to accept His Church you are rejecting him and his teachings. So the nature of your soul is precarious. Many read the bible and think they understand it and those who read it do not agree among themselves as to what it says. Even the bible says that it is hard to understand. Yet you and others like you think you have it all figured out. You must first lay your pride to the side and accept the fact that you may be wrong. So who is right? The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus himself to teach mankind the way to salvation. If you are to be saved then you must do the will of the Father. But you do not really know the will of the Father without the Church to teach you. I suggest you learn what the Church teaches and by learning that you will learn what Jesus teaches for the Church and Jesus are the same.
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Ruthie
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Sovereignty, it is true that St. Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, said “Outside the Church there is no salvation.” (Sometime in the late 200’s.)
There are some who take it literally, but that is **not **what the Catholic church teaches. Here’s what the Catechism - our official book of teachings - says about it. And here’s an article about it.
God bless you,
Ruthie
There are some who take it literally, but that is **not **what the Catholic church teaches. Here’s what the Catechism - our official book of teachings - says about it. And here’s an article about it.
God bless you,
Ruthie
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believers
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The Word of God NEVER says being born again is water baptism.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
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Hisalone
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Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father except through Me.
Jesus saves. Not Roman Catholicism.
Jesus gave Himself so that all men might be saved it is not Roman Catholicism.
All believers are of Christs Church not just the believers of Roman Catholism.
Do not believe another gospel believe onto Christ.
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SteveGC
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Can’t see the forest for all the trees. :dts:
Sovereignty, the above quoted post from member “believers” has just provided you with a perfect example of the problem with private interpretation of the Bible.
You see, and I’m not trying to speak for member “believers” here, but folks like this issue proclamations of the faith under NO authority. But, they will claim that the Holy Spirit is their authority. The Holy Spirit is not a “personal interpreter” of the Bible. Non-Catholics don’t realize that it doesn’t work that way. If it did, there would be complete unity of doctrine among men. But we know there is not this unity. To me, this is one of the most in-your-face, no-nonsense facts of the faith that should compel one to begin acknowledging that they need The Church. But unfortunately, it doesn’t.
God Bless.
p.s. Do go and get properly baptized if you are not already.
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SteveGC
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Hisalone, when you make those claims, just realize that Catholics shake their head in wonderment. Why?
Because we want to wake you up from your misconceptions of our faith. We’ve heard that argument before, you know. Do you know that we don’t think that it is the leaders of our Church that save us? Do you know that we fervently profess that Christ alone saves us? Do you realize that you are yet another victim of anti-Catholic sentiment? We really want, in all charity, to awaken you from the cloud of confusion you are in. I’d get into the details of why following The Church IS following Christ, as He intended it to be, but I’m sure you’ve heard all that too…and still don’t get it.
God Bless.
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