I am thinking of becoming a Baptist..

[look3467]

Without a Body, you cannot function. The Church is a visible Body of Believers who come together to celebrate and worship the love for God and partake in the Eucharist.

God established the Church so a Believer may find comfort, not only through His presence in the Church but also through the community of Believers. Christ did not intend for anyone to be anti-social or else He would not have told His followers to go to the four corners of the earth to spread His message and establish churches.

By the way, NicoleCook has already made up her mind and has decided on staying Catholic. Praise Our Lord for answering her cries for help.

Perhaps the Moderators could close this thread so as to avoid further attempts at proselytizing our sister in Christ and avoiding unnecessary arguments.

You are correct in what you said about the body of believers, for there in lies the true church in the flesh.

Myself, you and all others who testify of God in their lives are of that body.

And as for Nicole, may she be blessed in doing what her heart leads her to do for God while in the Catholic Church.
I have no objections but rather encouragement.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[WarriorAngel]

Listen, if church were the only place to find God, then He would make His residence there only.
But as it is, His residence is in each one of us.
We can take Him to where ever He leads us, who knows, a good place to be is at the gates of hell, where there we maybe able to save a few.

NOT the only place - BUT most certainly His house…where His rules are Law.

See scriptures:
1 Timothy 3
15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Pillar and ground of truth is the truth in His Laws.
And not of any accord of relativeity. Nor what seems convenient to the era.

Just chirping in why Church is in fact very important not to rely solely on what we feel could be correct since our feelings have been known to mislead.

 

[augsburg]

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I was raised a Baptist and as a result because it was all I knew I became an agnostic, almost an athiest. The Roman Catholic church , Jesus’s church led me to Gods gift of faith and back to God.

The Baptist and indeed many protestants provide a lot of emotional stimulation. They rely heavily on charismatic pastors, they have lively singing, they do not provide the Eucharist, dont believe in Jesus prescence at the mass in the form of his body and blood and do not provide either the intellectual foundation for belief or a direct line back to Peter the RCC provides.

I am surprised if you do not understand what is wrong with what you are doing you do not understand the church’s teachings and you cannot have the benefits of the only true mass with Christs body and blood. I dont understand anyone who would give that up for an emotional stimulus from yelling and singing?

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE ONE CAN RECIEVE THE TRUE BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST.

 

[look3467]

NOT the only place - BUT most certainly His house…where His rules are Law.>>>WarriorAngel

Your correct on both counts except that His body of believers are every where not just the Catholic Church.

I am a believer, a member of the body of believers, His Church.

See scriptures:
1 Timothy 3
15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.>>>WarriorAngel

The church then met at members homes, and the strength of the church was in the unity of its believers.
True, people needed guidance for there was not written word to draw from and had to rely on the senor members for instructions.

The people are what is the pillar that stands out against all the evils of this world.
To merely belong to a said church, does nothing unless the people in it stand against the world.

Just chirping in why Church is in fact very important not to rely solely on what we feel could be correct since our feelings have been known to mislead.>>>WarriorAngel

Feelings are as important as knowledge.
If one had knowledge that one’s football team won, as the Steelers did Sunday, would that not set off an emotion of triumph?

It is OK to get excited about the Lord’s loving us, because we know that we are victorious as well.

And that’s OK by me for you to let me know what you “feel” about this subject.

I can tell you love God!

Peace>>>AJ

 

[look3467]

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THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE ONE CAN RECIEVE THE TRUE BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST.

Hi,
If we break down words to mean things, the word “body” signifies many members, while “blood” is in all body’s the same.

Jesus, symbolically, gave His Apostles bread, broken into many pieces, representing His body of believers as many pieces and drink, to represent the blood that covers all of those pieces.

The taking of communion whether it be a Catholic or protestant, the symbolism is the same.

The difference is in what value we want to place on it.

To some, Catholics, is the very presence of Jesus, and to others it is a rememberance of the sufferrings of Jesus for our salvation.

This do: Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

What is in you already is, if you love God, the communion with God is on a daily basis, and the taking of the Lord’s supper is in remembrance and appreciation of what is in you already.

You see, Jesus inhabits the hearts of those who seek Him, and will turn no one away.
It is a permanent residing once we acknowledge Him as our Lord and Savior.

If you believe that, then walk there in.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Soutane]

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THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE ONE CAN RECIEVE THE TRUE BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST.

Now obviously,YOU believe that,or you would not be Lutheran…Just as obviously WE don’t or we would not be Catholic.

 

[Soutane]

Have you taken a good look inside the RCC lately?

I AM on the inside of the True Church for which I thank God.Your agenda was becoming very apparent and I guess that’s what lead to your banning.Sad for you

 

[Always_For_Him]

-]/-]

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE ONE CAN RECIEVE THE TRUE BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST.

Who has taught you this, your Lutheran Church? Of course, that is what they want to teach/believe. The Lutheran Church was founded as a Church separate/disctinct/apart from Christ’s Church. It actually wanted to retain the name Catholic. Your Church’s very foundation is that it separated and founded it’s own teaching contrary to what Christ’s Church had been teaching for over 1,500 years (what the Catholic Church STILL teaches today) by man. Jesus didn’t establish your Church or give Luther any authority to found the Lutheran Church. You are following the errant teachings of man. Just because you don’t believe that doesn’t make it any less true.

You state the teachings of the Lutheran Church here as if they are Truth. They ARE NOT. They are the teachings/changes/additions/personal interpretation of Luther and everyone that has run your Church in the last 500 years. It seems that your Church’s teachings today differ drastically from what they were at the time of Luther - changing more and more because of man. Jesus’ Truth does NOT change - man does that. The NT has to be interpreted in the context in which it was written. Jesus established His Church to be the Authority on that context. No other Church has Authority to interpret the meaning of Scripture, much less turn the host into the real presence of Jesus Christ.

 

[look3467]

The difference is in what value we want to place on it.>>>look3467

Have any of you blood brothers and or sisters?

Say there are four siblings from the same parents.
One may indicate its love for father or mother by showering them with gifts on special days.

Another may provide actual assistance, such as going to the grocery store for them, fixing things around the house or just maybe visit often.

Yet, another may send greeting cards only, while being occupied with the worlds affairs.

And then there is the one who is the care taker of all the parents affairs, such as helping pay the bills, making sure that they have all the necessary things to support life and some.

Same parents, same siblings, same time frame, yet one may be a catholic, a Baptist, a Mormon and or Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Does being of different beliefs negate being sons and daughters of the same parents?

Of course not!

I can imagine the struggle, the uneasiness between all of them when they all get together for reunion.

What do you think the parents desires would be?

That they all just get along as brothers and sisters? Absolutely!

The differences are ours that make, and not the parents.

If they all got together to eat, they should all be respective of each others beliefs and honor the parents with their presence, and brotherly love one to another.

The glue that binds all of them together should be love, without it, every one would demand their beliefs be the only one there to be honored.

And of course, that would lead to a dysfunctional family event.

Is that not the picture of all of us today?

Communion is having something in common in reunion, and that being above all else, love.

If we love God, we love our brothers and sisters, blood or otherwise for the sake of our heavenly Father.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Trinityisgod]

maybe if I didn’t live in the south I wouldn’t have such a bias against Baptist. Let’s see, they do Re-Baptism, were founding on the belief that that the pope is the anti christ, and they think grape juice was served at the last supper (indeed, Baptists believe that drinking ANY Alcohol is a sin), before you tell me I’m being unfairly Biased, I’ve study alot about religion, have been to Baptist churches and they openly criticize Catholics. (I know from when my stepfather’s grandmother died, that he and my mother went to a Baptist church, and there they criticized Catholics, and this was in Iowa, the state where I was born)

 

[look3467]

maybe if I didn’t live in the south I wouldn’t have such a bias against Baptist. Let’s see, they do Re-Baptism, were founding on the belief that that the pope is the anti christ, and they think grape juice was served at the last supper (indeed, Baptists believe that drinking ANY Alcohol is a sin), before you tell me I’m being unfairly Biased, I’ve study alot about religion, have been to Baptist churches and they openly criticize Catholics. (I know from when my stepfather’s grandmother died, that he and my mother went to a Baptist church, and there they criticized Catholics, and this was in Iowa, the state where I was born)

Brother, I’ve been through all that! I was a deacon in the Baptist church and song leader as well.

My desire to learn more about God took me through a side seeing journey to see all of the different religious beliefs and to see how God looked at them.

I saw it, studied it and God revealed to me that what I was seeking was right there in front of me all the time.

I could not see “the tree” for the forest, but when my eyes were opened, I saw that love was what He saw when He looks down upon us all.

And love is how we should also see each other despite the forest.

Can you understand what I am saying?

All religions have within them the element of corruption, because they are in human hands to manage them.

If that being the case, then all of them are subject to coruption.

What can not be corrupted is the ones who hold Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior, that live and rely on Him for their every need.

Truly, they are of the true church, for there in lies the ingredient which unites all together, and that is love.

Let me ask you a question: in a family where there are siblings, with different religious beliefs, apart from being blood relatives, is there something, an ingredient other than which would over look all differences and still be as one unit family?

The answer: is love.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Always_For_Him]

maybe if I didn’t live in the south I wouldn’t have such a bias against Baptist. Let’s see, they do Re-Baptism, were founding on the belief that that the pope is the anti christ, and they think grape juice was served at the last supper (indeed, Baptists believe that drinking ANY Alcohol is a sin), before you tell me I’m being unfairly Biased, I’ve study alot about religion, have been to Baptist churches and they openly criticize Catholics. (I know from when my stepfather’s grandmother died, that he and my mother went to a Baptist church, and there they criticized Catholics, and this was in Iowa, the state where I was born)

I am from the South, and you are right! I experienced it as well. I am not sure it they do it as much now or not. All non-Catholic Churches have to demonize the Catholic Church in some way or another to validate and justify their own existence. That is hard to stomach, but it is True. If there was never a splintering off to found a whole new Church/new Churches at the Reformation, and we all stayed One, it would be the Catholic Church. There is just no other way around that except to interpret the Bible differently, teach that as Truth and to proclaim why the Catholic Church is wrong, in error, went apostate, etc… See where this is going?..

 

[WarriorAngel]

Your correct on both counts except that His body of believers are every where not just the Catholic Church.

I am a believer, a member of the body of believers, His Church.

Yes, true…but His Church is made of two things.
His Laws and then His flock.
You simply cannot have a flock without governing them with some laws - parameters that are non negotiable…or the wolves would eat those who are scattered.

His Laws are not subject to change.

Does God Himself change? No. And neither do His laws.
Men change…He does not. Nor will He because men desire Him to.

Jesus said we do His Will, not that He would do our will. So we must sift thru all the changes and find the one constant. Whether we like the contstant or not really isn’t up for a vote. Know what I mean?

Altho we are all believers, how and what we believe and if we were able to seek what to believe could make all the difference in the end.
I dont know - but its something to think about.

The church then met at members homes, and the strength of the church was in the unity of its believers.
True, people needed guidance for there was not written word to draw from and had to rely on the senor members for instructions.

The people are what is the pillar that stands out against all the evils of this world.
To merely belong to a said church, does nothing unless the people in it stand against the world.

Meeting at home because they didnt have money at first - was borne out of necessity.
BUT remember when the couple sold land and held back some m money and they died immediately for doing so…?
Why?

Because the members were giving lots of money to the ministry to build up Churches.
The Apostles maintained poverty - but they needed to procure the Churches.
And as a side note - archeology as well as scriptures can show us the first HOUSES had altars.
IT wasn’t the houses themselves, but the altars and the HANDS of the Apostles and their Bishops who could confect the Bread and Wine to make it the Eucharist.

It was the Apostles and the Bishops whom taught [until midnight in the case of Paul]

So when the CHURCH is called the house of God - it is the magersterium [the Laws] and not the people, who are the pillar of truth.

How does one rely on man who are the students to be the truth?

No God didnt build His Church upon the members, but upon Peter who would be the shepherd of the members and do as Jesus commanded him to do…

‘Peter - feed My sheep.’
"Peter, feed My lambs.’

It is the ministry [magesterium = laws and doctrines and sacraments] that feeds the flock thru the shepherd in place by Christ.

Its more than just the students - the poeple - it is the whole collection of an Institution governed by the Laws of the Lord.

Feelings are as important as knowledge.
If one had knowledge that one’s football team won, as the Steelers did Sunday, would that not set off an emotion of triumph?

Feelings are subjective.
Just as Eve ‘felt’ it would be ok to have the same knowledge as God…her feelings led her.
She went by impulse, by emotion [pride] and not by what God gave them as law. TO NOT eat from the tree.

Its too subjective to rely on.
Its not law.

It is OK to get excited about the Lord’s loving us, because we know that we are victorious as well.

And that’s OK by me for you to let me know what you “feel” about this subject.

I can tell you love God!

Peace>>>AJ

It is ok.

I know many good folks who genuinely love the Lord who are not Catholic. And I am sure God judges their hearts accordingly.
What they are able to know - and what they refused to know - may also be something He may consider at our juedgments.

He may have led you here. I dont know the circumstances behind your being here…but it wouldn’t surprise me if He wants you to dig even deeper. After all - since you love Him, now allow Him to lead you to Him fully in His Church with His precepts and His Eucharist - His sacraments.

You must admit that truth exists and that He didn’t abandon us to our own devices.

 

[Always_For_Him]

All religions have within them the element of corruption, because they are in human hands to manage them.

If that being the case, then all of them are subject to coruption.

What can not be corrupted is the ones who hold Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior, that live and rely on Him for their every need.

Truly, they are of the true church, for there in lies the ingredient which unites all together, and that is love.Peace>>>AJ

Jesus gave His Authority to HIS CHURCH and ONLY to His Church. He promised to guide and protect Her from error for eternity. Only His Church has the True Teachings of God. Men belonging to Her have fallen to sin, but His Church has been protected and still teaches His Word as He commanded us to. Men are fallible. So, why is it that they keep founding new Churches and teaching new versions of the Truth? Why is it that there are so many versions of the Truth being taught as Jesus’ Truth? Either Jesus is who is says that He is and can do what He said that He would do, and we are to do what He said do, or this is just all some made up fictional story, and you can throw your Bible away because it was by His Authority and guidance that the Bible was penned in the first place. If Jesus isn’t who He said that He was, then the Bible isn’t what Christians believe that it is either.

When the Teachings of Jesus, as recorded in the Bible, are personally interpreted by man out of context in which they were written, even if man holds Jesus as their personal Lord and Saviour, that interpretation/teaching becomes corruption and those men who teach it, who love God, become corrupted, knowingly or unknowingly. Luther believed his false doctrine. So did Joseph Smith. So did every single man who has cherry picked verses from the Bible and put them together to have them say/teach his interpretation. Every single man who has founded a new “Church” has taught corruption to it’s members. Every single Church from the time of the Reformation was started by man, not Jesus. Every Church can be traced back to a date when it was founded and the person who founded it. These Churches are not the One Church that Jesus founded, so they are separated from it teaching false teachings, personal interpretation, false doctrine and have to demonize the Catholic Church to justify their own existence.

 

[Soutane]

I am from the South, and you are right! I experienced it as well. I am not sure it they do it as much now or not. All non-Catholic Churches have to demonize the Catholic Church in some way or another to validate and justify their own existence. That is hard to stomach, but it is True. If there was never a splintering off to found a whole new Church/new Churches at the Reformation, and we all stayed One, it would be the Catholic Church. There is just no other way around that except to interpret the Bible differently, teach that as Truth and to proclaim why the Catholic Church is wrong, in error, went apostate, etc… See where this is going?..

If we’re right-they are wrong.VERY threatening.They know they were founded in 1606 by a MAN John Smith,ergo the Catholic Church is apostate,Satanic,the Pope is the anti-Christ,you know-the usual drivel.
In order to justify their faith and bolster it Catholicism MUST be demonized otherwise their existance is superfluous and even in and of itself rebellious and sinful(as all heresy ultimately is)Take alook at ANY of the extreme forms of heretical Protestantism-Baptists,Seventh Day Adventists,Jehovah’s Witnesses,Mormons,etc.They are fed anti-Catholicism as if it were Mothers’ Milk.Even more rational mainstream Faiths such as Presbyterianism,Lutheranism etc.have Faith-codicils that the Catholic Church Is the anti-Christ or at the very least apostate.These “professions” are defensive in nature.Why do they only or especially attack us?Because WE are the Big Dog.WE are the original.If WE exist and are the Church Christ created there is absolutely NO valid reason for their existance as a Faith Body.Such is the way of ALL heresy.(I don’t think the Mormons and JW’s are protestants or even Christian,but you know what I mean)
When have you ever heard of any other Faith Body being attacked at Mass?Never.Because it is totally unnecessary-we simply get on with the True and absolute worship of God,thank God.

 

[michaelcollins]

If we’re right-they are wrong.VERY threatening.They know they were founded in 1606 by a MAN John Smith,ergo the Catholic Church is apostate,Satanic,the Pope is the anti-Christ,you know-the usual drivel.
In order to justify their faith and bolster it Catholicism MUST be demonized otherwise their existance is superfluous and even in and of itself rebellious and sinful(as all heresy ultimately is)Take alook at ANY of the extreme forms of heretical Protestantism-Baptists,Seventh Day Adventists,Jehovah’s Witnesses,Mormons,etc.They are fed anti-Catholicism as if it were Mothers’ Milk.Even more rational mainstream Faiths such as Presbyterianism,Lutheranism etc.have Faith-codicils that the Catholic Church Is the anti-Christ or at the very least apostate.These “professions” are defensive in nature.Why do they only or especially attack us?Because WE are the Big Dog.WE are the original.If WE exist and are the Church Christ created there is absolutely NO valid reason for their existance as a Faith Body.Such is the way of ALL heresy.(I don’t think the Mormons and JW’s are protestants or even Christian,but you know what I mean)
When have you ever heard of any other Faith Body being attacked at Mass?Never.Because it is totally unnecessary-we simply get on with the True and absolute worship of God,thank God.

In a football forum in the off topic part I got into a debate with an evangelical and they are now being taught the catholic church not only was not founded by Peter but it does not trace its history back to the apostles, was not the one church until the reformation, but that protestants have always been around since the beggining. ythere was no backup that I could see was legitimate but it was now being taught in posters church.

 

[Baloo]

Nicole, I have actually heard of Catholic churches that are similar to Baptist churches in the way that they process with the mass, I.E. the joyous singing and interesting pastor’s sermons. You may want to try and look for one if you do like the atmosphere of the Baptist churches. That way, you can still worship God in the Roman Catholic way (I am also Roman Catholic by the way) and yet you can get that good feeling that you described from church every Sunday.

I pray that God blesses you with truth and understanding of the Church

 

[look3467]

Yes, true…but His Church is made of two things.
His Laws and then His flock.
You simply cannot have a flock without governing them with some laws - parameters that are non negotiable…or the wolves would eat those who are scattered.>>>WarriorAngel

If one does not have His laws written in our conscience then we are not of His flock.
What constitutes His flock? Believers!

Meeting at home because they didnt have money at first - was borne out of necessity.
BUT remember when the couple sold land and held back some m money and they died immediately for doing so…?
Why?>>>WarriorAngel

Because they lied! Which is a spiritual transaction.

He may have led you here. I dont know the circumstances behind your being here…but it wouldn’t surprise me if He wants you to dig even deeper. >>>WarriorAngel

Well, you see I come from a Southern Baptist point of view and what I have learned in all my years is that God is amongst all the religions.

If I declare universal salvation, I will be banned from many protestant sites for the simple reason that they declare a confession up front, confessing Jesus as Lord and Savior.

Which is all good and true, but what that lacks is inclusion of other souls who are and were not privy to that information and places in doubt the fate of all those souls who lived and died before Christ’s coming.

You and I have the good fortune of not being born to a Muslim family , or in an atheist country, thereby giving us the advantage over them, so we think.

This forum thread is under the title of non-Catholic religions, giving the opportunity to express ones views for judgment.

I try to remain under that title because I do not want to offend.

Open mindedness is the key to understanding where the dogmas of religion hold blinders over the eyes.

Not that dogmas are wrong, but that they tend to stifle the open mind.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Soutane]

In a football forum in the off topic part I got into a debate with an evangelical and they are now being taught the catholic church not only was not founded by Peter but it does not trace its history back to the apostles, was not the one church until the reformation, but that protestants have always been around since the beggining. ythere was no backup that I could see was legitimate but it was now being taught in posters church.

In order to JUSTIFY their existance,they have to teach that.It sounds like the laughable and thoroughly discredited(by other Baptists)Trail of Blood MYTH.

 

[Soutane]

If one does not have His laws written in our conscience then we are not of His flock.
What constitutes His flock? Believers!

Because they lied! Which is a spiritual transaction.

Well, you see I come from a Southern Baptist point of view and what I have learned in all my years is that God is amongst all the religions.

If I declare universal salvation, I will be banned from many protestant sites for the simple reason that they declare a confession up front, confessing Jesus as Lord and Savior.

Which is all good and true, but what that lacks is inclusion of other souls who are and were not privy to that information and places in doubt the fate of all those souls who lived and died before Christ’s coming.

You and I have the good fortune of not being born to a Muslim family , or in an atheist country, thereby giving us the advantage over them, so we think.

This forum thread is under the title of non-Catholic religions, giving the opportunity to express ones views for judgment.

I try to remain under that title because I do not want to offend.

Open mindedness is the key to understanding where the dogmas of religion hold blinders over the eyes.

Not that dogmas are wrong, but that they tend to stifle the open mind.

Peace>>>AJ

Dogmas keep one on the straight and the narrow.Christ founded ONE Church(the Catholic Church)for that express reason.To keep its followers on the True road of salvation-not to follow the errant Opinions of Men,hence the thousands and thousands of differnet Protestant Denominations with all of their differing doctrines and “Dogmas”.Christ gave YOU this Church.Please do not refuse His gift.