I attended a Compline service at a Byzantine church tonight

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Yes, I am. The Maronite Catholic church was near me and I wanted to visit their
church, but they have since moved to another location.

Is the Byzantine Catholic church big in Pennsylvania?

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Technically, it’s supposed to be on its own stand behind the Holy Table (Altar).
Gosh, we barely manage to fit blocks for the fans and cross back there with room for us to pass . . .
Oh, how interesting. I did not know there was a Ukranian Greek Catholic church.
The Ukrainian Catholic Church is one of 14 Catholic Churches that use the Byzantine rite.
I believe that they’re the largest EC church by a health margin.

So are the Melkites (also on @7_sorrow’s list).

It doesn’t help the confusion that the second largest in the US, formerly known as ruthenium, simply uses “Byzantine Catholic” rather than anything to clarify where we came from . . .
 
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In the picture from Bright Week, what are the 2 round thinhs on either side of the
cross behind the candles on the altar table?
 
I’d have to check the Official Catholic Directory for statistics, but imho the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church and the Byzantine Catholic Church are the two largest Eastern Catholic Churches in PA, since Pittsburgh-Munhall is the seat of the Byzantine Catholic Metropolia in the U.S. and Philadelphia is the seat of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Metropolia.

True trivia tidbit to impress your friends: Philadelphia is the only city with 2 Archbishops. Byzantine Catholic Metropolitan Archbishop Skurla is technically the Archbishop of Munhall. Metropolitan Borys Gudziak is technically the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Archbishop of Philadelphia and Archbishop Charles Chaput is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Philadelphia.
 
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You have to zoom in to see it. Start from the large crucifix icon on the wall, go down to the gold cross and immediately under that you’ll see a tiny gold dome on top of what looks like a small wooden church. That’s the tabernacle. ❤️
 
The round things on tall wooden rods are called “ripidia”. They have images of the cherubim on them and are used by deacons in a Hierarchical Divine Liturgy.
 
In our parish, we have Great Compline with Litiya on the Eve of the Nativity of Our Lord (Dec. 24). It’s my favorite too.

I have to do one more post and then pray Psalm 4 and my evening prayers and go to bed…
 
Thank you @Margaret_Ann.

There were other things I saw, but could not describe them properly for you to know what I was talking about. I will do some research on the internet.

Is it the deacon or maybe called a cantor that stands behind the congregation and leads them in singing during the liturgy?
 
In our parish, we have Great Compline with Litiya on the Eve of the Nativity of Our Lord (Dec. 24). It’s my favorite too.

I have to do one more post and then pray Psalm 4 and my evening prayers and go to bed…
We also have Great Compline for Nativity and sometimes for Theoohany. If I had to narrow it down, I think it would be in my top 2 favorite services, along with Pascal Matins. I love the “God is with us! Understand all you nations…” It gives me chills just thinking about it now. But outside of those two occasions, I have never seen Compline at the parish level.
 
Do they use a prayerbook of any kind? Since this was a Compline service, we
just had 6 or 7 pages put together.
 
More pictures of our beautiful Cathedral in Munhall. I took these at the Archeparchy 50th Anniversary celebration earlier this year.

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Different church, but our tabernacle also resembles a domed church. It’s right in the middle.

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How beautiful!

Forgive me for my ignorance, but are you part of the Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church? Is that what people mean when they say ‘Byzantine Catholic Church’?There are a few Eastern Catholic Churches that use the Byzantine liturgy.

Here’s what confuses me. The Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church is one of the 23 Eastern Catholic Churches, right? It seems it’s headquartered in Pittsburgh. Is it the only EC Church headquartered in America? Are the Ruthenian Eparchies in Europe subject to the archeparch in Pittsburgh? Why is this Church headquartered in America and not Europe?

I always get confused about this! Sorry for my ignorance…I’m trying to learn about the Eastern Catholic Churches.
 
It depends upon the size of the Byzantine/Oriental church. There is a Chaldean bishop in Sweden apart from the Latin. The Syro Malabar Church in Sweden has its bishop in Rome, Italy as there are so few of them. That bishop has also responsibility of the Syro Malabar members in several European countries.

The Byzantine/Oriental Churches in Europe are more likely to have a bishop/archbishop HQ placed in one European country serving several countries than a North American one. Also, there are priests travelling to different parts of the country during the weekends or even priests travelling to different countries Friday/Saturday/Sunday to celebrate the Divine Liturgy.
 
How beautiful!

Forgive me for my ignorance, but are you part of the Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church? Is that what people mean when they say ‘Byzantine Catholic Church’?There are a few Eastern Catholic Churches that use the Byzantine liturgy.

Here’s what confuses me. The Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church is one of the 23 Eastern Catholic Churches, right? It seems it’s headquartered in Pittsburgh. Is it the only EC Church headquartered in America? Are the Ruthenian Eparchies in Europe subject to the archeparch in Pittsburgh? Why is this Church headquartered in America and not Europe?

I always get confused about this! Sorry for my ignorance…I’m trying to learn about the Eastern Catholic Churches.
The Ruthenian Catholic Church has a few jurisdictions in the world with a long history:
– Mukachevo (1777) - currently in Ukraine.
– Byzantine Metropolitan See of Pittsburgh (1969, renamed from Munhall est 1963), with the suffragan Eparchies of Passaic (1963), Parma (1969) and Van Nuys, renamed Holy Protection of Mary (Phoenix) (1981).
– Exarchy of Czech Republic (1996) from Prešov

The eastern Catholic churches may be organized under their own bishop as: 1) metropolitan church 2) major archeparchial church 3) patriarchial church, or 4) under the care of a bishop of another sui iuris Catholic church. It is territorial so may be an eparchy or exarchy.

See Catholic Dioceses of the Ruthenian Church
http://www.cnewa.org/default.aspx?ID=123&pagetypeID=9&sitecode=HQ&pageno=1
 
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This is ours:

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We also have an unused tabernacle that doesn’t show in this picture. It is a dove, suspended from the ceiling, similar to this one:

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The round things on tall wooden rods are called “ripidia”. They have images of the cherubim on them and are used by deacons in a Hierarchical Divine Liturgy.
In many (I hesitate to say “most”) byzantine traditions they are also carried in procession.

For both the Little Entrance and the Great Entrance , we take candles first, and then the ripidia if we have enough servers (although the censer gets carried even before the candles in the Great Entrance). When we still have a server with empty hands, we take the crucifix, too . . .

And then there’s the report of Fr. Vivona snapping, “Just grab anything and carry it!” when he saw a server with empty hands 🤣😱😲

At Communion, if there are server’s not holding the cloth, they stand outside the iconostasis with first the riparian, and then candles if enough of them. (of course, I’ve recently been contemplating whether either a fielder’s or first baseman’s mit might be a better choice than the cloth . . . 😱🤔:crazy_face:)

Also, their origin is as quite literal fans, keeping the flys off the gifts once they were uncovered!

In the italo-greco parish, I’ve seen them used during the anaphora during a regular liturgy.
Is it the deacon or maybe called a cantor that stands behind the congregation and leads them in singing during the liturgy?
That’s the cantor.

Deacons are still hard to find in much of the US (OTOH, I’m not sure I ever went to a Roman liturgy in western PA without one, and the tiny byzantine parish ordained one while I was there).

The liturgy is notably different when a deacon is there–the priest doesn’t cover all of his parts (nor could he; some are directions to the priest! Others are while the priest does something else).
Here’s what confuses me. The Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church is one of the 23 Eastern Catholic Churches, right?
That count is kind of fuzzy, so I stick with “about two dozen.” there’s one that last I heard was suspected of being extinct (Georgian?), while the Pittsburgh Metropolia in the US is self governing, but no longer uses the word “ruthenian” (in fact, for some purposes, the Metropolitan is the highest ranking Catholic clergyman in the US, as the head of a sui juris church [cardinal ranking is another way]). So does the church in RUthenia and ours count as one or two churches? 🤔

AFAIK, the Pittsburgh Metropolia is the only sui juris church descended from another EC church (at least modernly), but I’m not going to stick to that if anyone knows better.
Why is this Church headquartered in America and not Europe?
the European eparchies are not part of our metropolis.

(yes, this kind of needs a scorecard to keep track of . . .)
 
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During the Divine Liturgy, the deacon stands before the Royal Doors and intones the petitions in each Ektenia (Litany). Here’s a treat for you:


This is from SingCon 2019 which was the last weekend of September. The Hierarchical Divine Liturgy is the way every Divine Liturgy should be imo. There’s 3 deacons who incense and chant the ektenias. (9 ladies, including yours truly, sang Eis polla eti despota.)
 
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