I believe Jesus was never a god who became man

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Jesus can control the natural sexual desire/libido of men.
Hi

There is another possiblity of the Catholic-god-Jesus, which you have not yet thought of; Catholic-god-Jesus might be ignorant or having no knowledge that he had the parts.

In that case,Catholic-god-Jesus is a strange god; he should know that when there would be no desire risen in his self; as is common with all of us, the ordinay man in the street; then Catholic-god-Jesus is no role model for us human beings, in my opinion.

The sexual desires are no never bad; it is only for these desires, that animals and humans do exist, otherwise there would be no human race existing on the globe. What is required is that the sexual desires are not curbed but lgitimately channeled; and are not excessively misused to the detriment of the human morals and spiritual motives, in my opion.

Let the humans enjoy the sexual instinct in the most natural and legitimate ways, in my opinion.

I think, now you agree with me. Don’t you? Please

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love John the Baptist and his mother Elizabeth.

Thanks
 
Paarsurrey, if you have nothing to do
Hi friend rikkk1958!

It is not bad here also. The atmosphere here is quite cozy and frank. I enjoy friendship with the Catholics; the most cultured, civilised and friendly people to live with, in my opinion.

I am doing a lot of research here for truth; I think it is not accurate to suggest that I have nothing to do, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and John the Baptist; both born naturally and normally of their mothers; they both were equally Word of God, and of course Adam might be a Word of God also. This is what is described to be Word became flesh; all three persons mentioned above were Words became flesh, in my opinion.

Thanks
 
Hi friend rikkk1958!

It is not bad here also. The atmosphere here is quite cozy and frank. I enjoy friendship with the Catholics; the most cultured, civilised and friendly people to live with, in my opinion.

I am doing a lot of research here for truth; I think it is not accurate to suggest that I have nothing to do, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and John the Baptist; both born naturally and normally of their mothers; they both were equally Word of God, and of course Adam might be a Word of God also. This is what is described to be Word became flesh; all three persons mentioned above were Words became flesh, in my opinion.

Thanks
Paarsurrey, if you want to be our friend, talk straight and think like you want to be considered as a smart guy. We can not be fooled by your intentions. Go somewhere else and mock as much as you want. Your style is so obvious, deception, and then there you go! Your analogy is also childish and we can not respond to some abnormal posts you made. It is ridiculous. Be sensible!
 
Hi

Our Catholic friends would have us believe that Word became flesh or that god became flesh. Well there seems to be more than that, I think. I am not a physician but as an ordinary man in the street I think flesh is made of soft tissues in the humans and animals. The body could consist of tissues of different solidity; some may or others may not be a part of the human body. There could be some parts having solidity lesser than the flesh while others could have solidity greater than the soft tissues or flesh. Thanks to Paul to inform us that word became flesh.

If we agree to Paul then his concept of Trinity becomes vulnerable; word became flesh, so of what did the subtle tissues thinner than flesh and or harder than flesh were made or who made them. I think Paul must have to revise his brainchild of word becoming flesh, in my opinion. Catholic-god who became flesh must be without bones; as bones are not supposed to be flesh. Paul’s mythical-god therefore cannot be homo-erectus; flesh without bones cannot stand straight.

Paul shall have now to look to at least another god who made the bones; father-god, holy ghost-god, and son-god he made the Trinity with them, now for bones he should name another god, in my opinion.

Kindly, help Paul to revise his mythical theological philosophy.

I love Jesus and would defend him against strange ideas of Paul.

Thanks
PARR YOUR BASKING CATHLOICS IS GETTING OLD PLEASE STOP
 
PARR YOUR BASKING CATHLOICS IS GETTING OLD PLEASE STOP
I WILL PRAY FOR YOU Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name;
thy kingdom come; thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses
as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not
into temptation but deliver us from evil. Amen.

(based on Mt. 6:9-13 and Lk. 11:2-4)
 
Paarsurrey, if you want to be our friend, talk straight and think like you want to be considered as a smart guy. We can not be fooled by your intentions. Go somewhere else and mock as much as you want. Your style is so obvious, deception, and then there you go! Your analogy is also childish and we can not respond to some abnormal posts you made. It is ridiculous. Be sensible!
rikkk, paarsurrey is describing other words of God who become flesh (men). The words of God are unlimited. Please do not limit it to one person only and let paar give his opinion. You may also give your opinion.
 
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It is not bad here also. The atmosphere here is quite cozy and frank. I enjoy friendship with the Catholics; the most cultured, civilised and friendly people to live with, in my opinion.

Thanks
That may be the difference that you’ll find in Islamic forums. If Crhistians are to post as how you do it here, they would find themselves banned immediately. You see, discussion and having different idea about Mohammad is seldom allowed in there.

So yes, enjoy it here while it last or until the Mods change their mind.

God bless you.
 
rikkk, paarsurrey is describing other words of God who become flesh (men). The words of God are unlimited. Please do not limit it to one person only and let paar give his opinion. You may also give your opinion.
This is the problem because you and your friends insists on something you want to believe that only the kind of people you want to belong. You were in this forum for a long time now and I have the reason to believe that your intellect is just not enough to comprehend what had been explained to you. So my advise to you and your friends is to take your faith where people who have the same intellect as you do can understand and follow.

There’s no way a good Catholic or Christian can even understand what you and your friends are trying to say here. The whole concept of your understandings are just too shallow for us to even answer them. I am sure, if you go to a forum full of people without faith, you will be able to argue your opinions. But no way that you will be able to do it here. Sorry guys, we respect you as a person, but please respect us also the way you present your opinions and how you want us to respond…
 
You were in this forum for a long time now and I have the reason to believe that your intellect is just not enough to comprehend what had been explained to you.
As for him, this applies: Mathew 7:6. We however, still need to voice the truth because we should not give up the oppurtunity to proclaim the truth and the word of God, not for the swines but for searching onlookers who are browsing the forum.

God bless.
 
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A gentle correction on what is necessary to be a Christian

Hi

The above does not represent views of all the non-Catholics. I love Jesus and his true teachings but I don’t believe that Jesus was ever a god who became man. Jesus had no explicit claim to it except some obscure statements narrated by others who misunderstood him. This is my sincere opinion, however, no disrespect is intended to anybody’s faith or creed.

I love Jesus and Krishna

Thanks
God becoming man through a Virgin woaman is a MYSTERY… and remains a mystery

You can believe in a MYSTERY by all means…
 
rikkk, paarsurrey is describing other words of God who become flesh (men). The words of God are unlimited. Please do not limit it to one person only and let paar give his opinion. You may also give your opinion.
That is all this person has is give his opinion
 
ss Why do you come here with the some old\Question and you get the same answer fron us Christian day after day,do you think you can chane our minds,You CANT so why are you wasting your time and are time.
 
The above does not represent views of all the non-Catholics. I love Jesus and his true teachings but I don’t believe that Jesus was ever a god who became man. Jesus had no explicit claim to it except some obscure statements narrated by others who misunderstood him. This is my sincere opinion, however, no disrespect is intended to anybody’s faith or creed.
I, as a Christian (Roman Catholic) also DON’T believe that Mohammed (founder of Islam) is the true prophet of GOD. I believe with all my heart, soul and mind that Jesus is God. If you don’t believe that, that is OK. Jesus (my GOD) said, people who do not belong to Him will end up in everlasting fire. We hope that we can meet joyfully after we depart from this world.
 
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A gentle correction on what is necessary to be a Christian

Hi

The above does not represent views of all the non-Catholics. I love Jesus and his true teachings but I don’t believe that Jesus was ever a god who became man. Jesus had no explicit claim to it except some obscure statements narrated by others who misunderstood him. This is my sincere opinion, however, no disrespect is intended to anybody’s faith or creed.

I love Jesus and Krishna

Thanks
First, you mention that you are a Ahmedi Muslim, So that means you dont believe the sunnis or you dont believe the shias, whatever the reason

When you have problems with your own believers, than what can expect from you? Carryon with your belief as all explainations will be futile to you.

Have a lovely day.
 
I, as a Christian (Roman Catholic) also DON’T believe that Mohammed (founder of Islam) is the true prophet of GOD. I believe with all my heart, soul and mind that Jesus is God. If you don’t believe that, that is OK. Jesus (my GOD) said, people who do not belong to Him will end up in everlasting fire. We hope that we can meet joyfully after we depart from this world.
What you believe is what a muslin believe and is false,what I believe is what a Christian believe and is the truth
 
I, as a Christian (Roman Catholic) also DON’T believe that Mohammed (founder of Islam) is the true prophet of GOD. I believe with all my heart, soul and mind that Jesus is God. If you don’t believe that, that is OK. Jesus (my GOD) said, people who do not belong to Him will end up in everlasting fire. We hope that we can meet joyfully after we depart from this world.
It is not okay for me if someone is bending the truth. Catholics MUST explain to those who do not believe that what we have is the truth. I think, those who follow other beliefs are misled. They come to this forum and tries to argue with us. What they do no want to accept is that their beliefs has no foundation at all for the truth. Opinions are not acceptable to present facts and to prove the truth.

Like Islam, Muslims believe it because one man made them to believe. Like that man, many followed suit to make more beliefs. The bottom line is, these alleged beliefs had some basis though, and that is the Holy Bible. The difference is that they wanted to make their own religion even though they know they are not in sync with the truth by way of their charisma, force, and misrepresentation of the Holy Bible.

Jesus Christ did not just make another belief. The whole of the Holy Bible stories fit in His coming. Prophesies were directed to that. All we need for us to to is follow His examples and we were warned already that many false prophets will come. Why do we need those who wanted to make name for themselves when Jesus had already spoken what we need to hear?

Not only that He taught us, HE PROVED THAT HE IS WHAT HE IS.
 
John 10:24 So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long are you going to keep us in suspense? 11 If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
25
Jesus answered them, "I told you 12 and you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify to me.
26
But you do not believe, because you are not among my sheep.
27
My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. No one can take them out of my hand.
29
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, 13 and no one can take them out of the Father’s hand.
30
14 The Father and I are one."
31
The Jews again picked up rocks to stone him.

32
Jesus answered them, **“I have shown you many good works from my Father. For which of these are you trying to stone me?” **
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The Jews answered him, “**We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. You, a man, are making yourself God.” **
34
15 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”’?
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If it calls them gods to whom the word of God came, and scripture cannot be set aside,
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**can you say that the one whom the Father has consecrated 16 and sent into the world blasphemes because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
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If I do not perform my Father’s works, do not believe me;
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but if I perform them, even if you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may realize (and understand) that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”
39
(Then) they tried again to arrest him; but he escaped from their power. **
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He went back across the Jordan to the place where John first baptized, and there he remained.
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Many came to him and said, “John performed no sign, 17 but everything John said about this man was true.”
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And many there began to believe in him.
 
John 8
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to think that he would see my Day; he saw it and was glad.
57 The Jews then said, ‘You are not fifty yet, and you have seen Abraham!’
**58 Jesus replied: In all truth I tell you, before Abraham ever was, I am. **

John 10
29 The Father, for what he has given me, is greater than anyone, and no one can steal anything from the Father’s hand.
**30 The Father and I are one. **

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word: the Word was with God and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
14 The Word became flesh, he lived among us, and we saw his glory, the glory that he has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 20
25 So the other disciples said to him, ‘We have seen the Lord,’ but he answered, ‘Unless I can see the holes that the nails made in his hands and can put my finger into the holes they made, and unless I can put my hand into his side, I refuse to believe.’
26 Eight days later the disciples were in the house again and Thomas was with them. The doors were closed, but Jesus came in and stood among them. ‘Peace be with you,’ he said.
27 Then he spoke to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; look, here are my hands. Give me your hand; put it into my side. Do not be unbelieving any more but believe.’
**28 Thomas replied, ‘My Lord and my God!’
29 Jesus said to him: You believe because you can see me. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe. **

Col 2
9 In him, in bodily form, lives divinity in all its fullness,
10 and in him you too find your own fulfillment, in the one who is the head of every sovereignty and ruling force.

Phil 2
5 Make your own the mind of Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God
, did not count equality with God something to be grasped.
7 But he emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, becoming as human beings are; and being in every way like a human being,
8 he was humbler yet, even to accepting death, death on a cross.
9 And for this God raised him high, and gave him the name which is above all other names;
10 so that all beings in the heavens, on earth and in the underworld, should bend the knee at the name of Jesus
11 and that every tongue should acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
The gospel quotes are from John, written at least 80 years after the time of Jesus, maybe later. John is characterized as being so young when he was a disciple, so as to lend credibility to the notion that he wrote this late gospel. There is no evidence that John wrote it–it would be nice if he had said so…“I, John, son of (…), who traveled with Jesus, write these events which myself have witnessed…” etc. It is now well known that by the time this gospel was written, Christianity had become a gentile religion, and was tainted by other gentile religions, including Greek and Egyptian sources, in which man-gods were everywhere. Similarly Paul, once Saul, was a well-educated Jew who was a* citizen of Rome,* who undoubtedly knew Greek–wasn’t he writing in Greek?–letters addressed to Greek-speaking gentiles, not to Jews, certainly, who spoke Aramaic and wrote in Hebrew. Paul knew Roman and therefore Greek gods. It is a pity that Jesus never wrote down anything, except in the sand, and that his disciples expected him to return for years, until, finally someone decided to write something down.
 
The gospel quotes are from John, written at least 80 years after the time of Jesus, maybe later. John is characterized as being so *young *

when he was a disciple, so as to lend credibility to the notion that he wrote this late gospel. There is no evidence that John wrote it–it would be nice if he had* said so*…“I, John, son of (…), who traveled with Jesus, write these events which myself have witnessed…” etc.

Where you looking for Johns signature to his gospel? John 21:24
**It is this disciple who testifies to these things and has written them, 14 and we know that his testimony is true. **25
There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.

If you hold to scholary work to be your Truth, then your Truth is limited to dust, which remains confined to the tangible to identify in what your Truth rests upon. Christianity surpersedes the confinement of the four walls of the material world which disappears to dust. Christian Faith takes off where man lacks to his confinement of the material world. The problem I see here, is that you appear to rest your truth on man and not God, because you reject God’s revealed Truth in return for a scholary work that is debatable? These letters were copied and distributed throughout the underground Catholic Church to be used in her Liturgies. The Letters were secondary, because the living apostles were handing the Christian faith Orally as the Apostles preached and taught by both Oral and by Letter. Faith came and comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God, not reading the Word of God. The Faith was already in practice and being taught before the Letters went out to new Christian communities.
It is now well known that by the time this gospel was written, Christianity had become a gentile religion, and was tainted by other gentile religions, including Greek and Egyptian sources, in which man-gods were everywhere. Similarly Paul, once Saul, was a well-educated Jew who was a* citizen of Rome,*
I don’t know who has misinformed you, or what source can you give to confirm that the Church Jesus built upon Peter was tainted by other gentile religions? Can you back up this false claim with your scholary Truth faith? Paul was a zealot Pharisee Jew who converted when he fell into the presence of God, that he gave up his persecution of the Church. Paul went to the Jews first, who stoned him and tried to kill him, then to the Gentiles. You are hard pressed to believe that Paul a converted zealot Jew recognized any Roman or Greek god’s. Its not clear to me what you are trying to discredit here. But if your going to make outlandish false accusations please back them up with some sources, aside from this, your personal opinions are duly noted, and do not meet scholary standards of proof.

Reveal to me from this biblical history that the Catholic Church was tainted with paganology and I will reveal to you a “liar” from this history. Please don’t confuse the enemies of the Church such as heretics, heresies, and excommunicated apostates as in line with the Catholic faith. Please recall that both Pagan Rome and the Jews persecuted the Church.

Peace be with you
 
Thsi thread was started by paarsurrey long ago. He was banned and he has disappeared completely. The last I heard about him was that he was active in a blog (his own blog).

The Topic was hard. I believe Jesus was never a god who became man. Hard to swallow by the church.

I do not know why it has been dug out again from the debris. Here I just take up the recent post of Gabriel 12. Pls see. That seems to refer to verses of the bible.
Where you looking for Johns signature to his gospel? John 21:24
It is this disciple who testifies to these things and has written them, 14 and we know that his testimony is true. 25
There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written
It is not presented in a good way and does not make sense. Something is wrong in presenting the verses…

I can only comment on the Last part where it is said that if all things that Jesus did and said were written down, there would not be space enough in the world to handle them. It is a good statement to please the minds of the Catholics. But is it not a joke??

That there is a thing which does fill the earth. But if it is written down it would overflow from the earth and earth would have no capacity to hold it. ???

We know that Jesus worked hard, performed some miracles, gave some lectures, turned some tables, accused (and abused) the evil generation of his time Jews, and then disappeared in a very short time of three (3) years never to be seen again.

The rest of reply is equally important about some one (John) testifying. Reply could be given once a correct form of verses is presented.
 
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