I believe Jesus was never a god who became man

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In the Quran we read-

Allah formed a clay body of a human and then blew his spirit directly into the clay thing, Adam.

Allah did not do these things to Jesus, but to Mary.

Muslims need to pray on this.

Why did allah bestow, convey, communicate Word and Spirit to Mary and not Jesus?

Where was the body of Jesus?

Mary was a virgin. The body of Jesus was not in Mary’s uterus until allah bestowed, conveyed, communicated, threw away his word and spirit to her.

Somehow the word and spirit of allah joined with the virgin Mary and Jesus was conceived.

Muslims and Christians both agree that there was no sexual relations between GOD/allah and Mary
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Yet, GOD is the Father of Jesus.
This is what you said "I love Jesus so I don’t believe in such things " Then why do you keep talking about this BS,As Cheristians we do not believe any of this so let it go,I think you also said it was just a opinion,we all have opinions,if you know what i,m saying
 
This is what you said "I love Jesus so I don’t believe in such things " Then why do you keep talking about this BS,As Cheristians we do not believe any of this so let it go,I think you also said it was just a opinion,we all have opinions,if you know what i,m saying
Hi there Bill ~

I believe you are “quoting” the wrong poster… Poster Schaick didn’t say any of what you posted.
 
People are usually confused about this claim of Jesus being in India.

**It was for the years before His crucifixion from age of 12-30. **

There is no proof that it wasn’t just His teachings that made it to India. There have been many men named for Jesus, but supposedly he took the name Yuz Asaf.
It is you that is confused Jesus was NEVER in India, read a Bible and see He was crucfixion where And stop with the BS
 
arthra, did you say that Baha represented the digit 9. I would say that Baha would be the digit 8. Abha would be the digit 9.
The numerical value of Baha’ (bahá’) would in either eastern or western Islamic version of abjad total to nine (9), as follows: b= 2, h= 5, á (a with accent in transliteration)= 1, hamza (’)= 1 TOTAL: 9

Source:


*bahai-library.com/essays/abjad.html
 
J C, I believe it is in the bibleOT. That was an important belief of all the Jews that any one hung on the wood is cursed. It should be easy to find the reference for that. Of course, it is not to be found in the bibleNT.

I better not use that argument again without reference in future. Only a Jew can help me find the reference quickly.
 
J C, I believe it is in the bibleOT. That was an important belief of all the Jews that any one hung on the wood is cursed. It should be easy to find the reference for that. Of course, it is not to be found in the bibleNT.

I better not use that argument again without reference in future. Only a Jew can help me find the reference quickly.
Hello Planten,

Read this

wcg.org/lit/disc/07whydie.htm

“Anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse,” says Deuteronomy 21:23. Because of this verse, Jews considered any crucified person to be condemned by God. As Isaiah wrote, people would consider him “stricken by God.”
 
Hello Planten,

Read this

wcg.org/lit/disc/07whydie.htm

“Anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse,” says Deuteronomy 21:23. Because of this verse, Jews considered any crucified person to be condemned by God. As Isaiah wrote, people would consider him “stricken by God.”
wwolverine, thank you for making it easy for me. I have visited that site and read 50% of the article. I post below a part concerning the curse of the death on the cross.

**Dying an accursed death

“Anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse,” says Deuteronomy 21:23**. Because of this verse, Jews considered any crucified person to be condemned by God. As Isaiah wrote, people would consider him “stricken by God.”

The Jewish leaders probably thought that Jesus’ disciples would give up after their leader was killed. And it happened just as they hoped — the crucifixion shattered the disciples’ hopes. They were dejected and said, “We had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel” (Luke 24:21). But their hopes were dramatically restored when Jesus appeared to them after his resurrection, and at Pentecost, the Holy Spirit filled them with new conviction to proclaim salvation in Jesus Christ. They had unshakable faith in the least likely hero: a crucified Messiah.

Peter told the Jewish leaders, “The God of our fathers raised Jesus from the dead—whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree” (Acts 5:30). By using the word tree, Peter reminded the leaders of the curse of crucifixion. But the shame was not on Jesus, he said—it was on the people who crucified him. God had blessed him because he did not deserve the curse he suffered. God had reversed the stigma.

Paul referred to the same curse in Galatians 3:13: “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.’” Jesus became a curse on our behalf so we could escape the curse of the law. He became something he was not, so that we could become something we were not. “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Thanks anyway. I cannot make head or tail of what is being said above. They are freely wandering into all fields and making special allowances only for Jesus against the explicit rules revealed by God. In the above colored part, I see and believe the first para only to be true and final. It was a belief of the Jews and that is why they were adamant that Jesus be crucified. Jesus knew all about it and wished that it should never be like that. He wanted to avoid the cup. i.e. death on the cross.

He knew well the consequences of death on the cross and prayed earnestly to his God to avoid what was coming. He did not want to die on the cross. He appealed to God and God listened to him and saved Jesus from death on the cross.

That is how we Muslims understand the episode of quasi (apparant) death on the cross. I do not want to disturb the feelings of any Catholic. But this what is causing so much rift between the Christians and the Muslims. Chistians agree that Jesus was killed on the cross and became cursed. But at the same time they do not want Jesus to be cursed person. So they try to throw the curse on those who tried to kill him on the cross.

It is not so easy to switch things around. The sripture is clear about any one dying on the cross will be cursed and far away from the blessings of God. The Muslims do not believe Jesus to be a cursed person.

Now I will try to read the rest of that article.
 
Very little is available about Jesus in the bible. Nothing is known about the early 30 years except just a word or two in the bible. Nobody seemed to know Jesus for the first 30 years of his life. He was not known as God or son of God. During the last three years of his life, We see that noody addressed Jesus as God or son of God, such as “O God” “O son of God”. That was the topic started by paarsurrey. But he is gone for good. He had to leave the forum.
paarsurrey may be gone but I’ll reply to this which you wrote, planten…
For Jesus’ contemporaries in Nazareth not to know that this Jesus is God the Son doesn’t mean that Jesus couldn’t be God the Son. And for a sacred book what would be the reason to tell everything about all the details of Jesus’ life, esp. the 30 years before his ministry? The Quran doesn’t tell us all the details of Muhammad’s life, does it? There is a saying that goes like this: “The devil is in the details.” What does a sacred writer write a sacred book for, tell me?
 
planten, I realize your post was a while ago (#330), but I think it doesn’t make my reply outdated… Just slightly delayed! Sorry for the delay.
 
Lapell, We are sorry to know that your sister died. Otherwise we could have learnt the names of the other great men in the books of the Baha’is. I hope Jesus must also be included in those Nine greats.

Budha and Krishna were definitely the prophets of God. No doubt about that. I heard that Baha’is take all the good things from all religions. Joseph Smith of the Mormons lived long before Bahaullah. I hope Bahaullah included Smith also in his good list.
No, he didn’t include Joseph Smith, I can tell you this much. (In fact, I don’t think Smith was born then, but I might be mistaken.)
Yes, Jesus was among their 9 greats. So were also Abraham and Moses… Muhammad, Krishna and Buddha too. I think the others were Zoroaster, Confucius and Lao-Tse, but I am not 100% sure.
 
Hi,

How foolish we people are isnt it that we can accept Clark Kent as a Journalist, and same Clark Kent as superman, when need arises. But when it comes to God, we cannot accept his duel nature.

How can people ever limit God?
We accept Clark Kent as Superman because the story told us that. It’s fiction though, but even then, in the story Superman kept his identity secret to most people. So one may want to hide his whole true identity, at least for a while, for some good reasons. If God wanted to live in a given time as a man, and He would keep this a secret except for a few people, for good reasons, why not? Let God be God! Who am I to tell Him how He should act as God?
 
No, he didn’t include Joseph Smith, I can tell you this much. (In fact, I don’t think Smith was born then, but I might be mistaken.)
Yes, Jesus was among their 9 greats. So were also Abraham and Moses… Muhammad, Krishna and Buddha too. I think the others were Zoroaster, Confucius and Lao-Tse, but I am not 100% sure.
lapell welcome back and thanks for the reply. I agree with all the names you have written for those nine great persons. I also honor those men as true men of God.

There is only slight chance of correction for you. I believe Joseph Smith may have died by the year 1852 A.D. If that is true then it was quite a long time before Bahaullah (who died in 1892) to exclude Joseph Smith from the list of his great personages.

I do not know much about Bahaullah or Joseph Smith. Both of them tried to reserve some place for themselves in religious history. If any one claims to be a messenger of God, I do not confront him or ridicule him. I leave it to God whom that person may be impersonating (wrongly representing).

More important news (matter) in my next post…
 
Untell you start reading a Christian Bible you will NEVER know who Clard Kent is or know that Jesus is God.
 
There is a well known Hadith in the books of Shias as well as the Sunnis. It goes like this:

"For our Mahdi, there are two great signs which have never been shown for any one since the creation of heavens and earth. The moon will be eclipsed on the first night in the month of Ramadhan and the Sun will be eclipsed in the middle night (in same month). Such a sign has not been shown for any one…"

This news was given by Muhammad about the coming of the Imam Mahdi in the Muslim nation. Muhammad called that person “Our Mahdi”.

It is a good test (sign) for any claimant of Mahdihood or Messiahship. Mind you, it is supported by some news in bibleNT (The sun will not give its light…) and also in the Quran 75:7,8,9,10. where eclipse is mentioned clearly.
 
Are you kidding us Joseph Smith and now Budai;s and Knisna,You are one very confused person and I will pray for your soul,God help You
Then pray also for all the Baha’is as well. BTW, bahaism was mainly founded in order to achieve universal brotherhood. I take it that Baha’ullah may have viewed religion as a major obstacle to real understanding between peoples of real differnet religions. But, a lack of forgiveness and a lot of prejudices doesn’t help, that’s for sure.
Reconciliation between mortal enemies takes a while, though it certainly is a desirable thing.
 
People are usually confused about this claim of Jesus being in India.

**It was for the years before His crucifixion from age of 12-30. **

There is no proof that it wasn’t just His teachings that made it to India. There have been many men named for Jesus, but supposedly he took the name Yuz Asaf.
What would a carpenter have to do in India when he already has plenty to do in his own place. Those who started this theory must have been city people!
 
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