I can do anything I want. I am washed in the blood

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I think this is the right topic to put this under.

Looking for a little advice.

I have a young protestant fellow I work with that was in my office the other day just visiting. He knows I am Catholic. You can look at my desk & tell. Most folks there are. He was telling my officemate (there are 2 of us in this office) of some things he had been up to & some plan he had made for the weekend. They were less than proper. It was work, but I could not remain silent. I said “(his name) I thought you were Christian & very active in your church with the band & other things.” He said “Well, yes I am.” Then I asked “Well what is up with all this garbage you are talking about doing & the places you plan to go?” His reply floored me. He said “I’m washed in the blood. I am assured of heaven. Nothing can separate me from God.” I was speechless. Has anyone else heard of this nonsense? How does one educate this young fellow? I like him, but what he was talking about is a path to hell. I do see him after work occasionally for a brew so the opportunity does come up from time to time.

If it helps the understanding, he goes to a “Bible only church” & is VERY active there.
 
Dirk_Skene said:
I think this is the right topic to put this under.

Looking for a little advice.

I have a young protestant fellow I work with that was in my office the other day just visiting. He knows I am Catholic. You can look at my desk & tell. Most folks there are. He was telling my officemate (there are 2 of us in this office) of some things he had been up to & some plan he had made for the weekend. They were less than proper. It was work, but I could not remain silent. I said “(his name) I thought you were Christian & very active in your church with the band & other things.” He said “Well, yes I am.” Then I asked “Well what is up with all this garbage you are talking about doing & the places you plan to go?” His reply floored me. He said “I’m washed in the blood. I am assured of heaven. Nothing can separate me from God.” I was speechless. Has anyone else heard of this nonsense? How does one educate this young fellow? I like him, but what he was talking about is a path to hell. I do see him after work occasionally for a brew so the opportunity does come up from time to time.

If it helps the understanding, he goes to a “Bible only church” & is VERY active there.
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I can identify with the feeling it gives you. I have a couple of Catholic acquaintances who like to justify their behavior with “I know I’ll have to tell the priest sooner or later that I am sorry …”
 
Dirk_Skene said:
I think this is the right topic to put this under.

Looking for a little advice.

I have a young protestant fellow I work with that was in my office the other day just visiting. He knows I am Catholic. You can look at my desk & tell. Most folks there are. He was telling my officemate (there are 2 of us in this office) of some things he had been up to & some plan he had made for the weekend. They were less than proper. It was work, but I could not remain silent. I said “(his name) I thought you were Christian & very active in your church with the band & other things.” He said “Well, yes I am.” Then I asked “Well what is up with all this garbage you are talking about doing & the places you plan to go?” His reply floored me. He said “I’m washed in the blood. I am assured of heaven. Nothing can separate me from God.” I was speechless. Has anyone else heard of this nonsense? How does one educate this young fellow? I like him, but what he was talking about is a path to hell. I do see him after work occasionally for a brew so the opportunity does come up from time to time.

If it helps the understanding, he goes to a “Bible only church” & is VERY active there.
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It’s simple Antinomianism, a horrible exaggeration and violent disfigurement of the doctrine of justification by faith. Bad theology. His church probably teaches “once saved always saved.” You need to read about “once saved always saved” and what Scriptures are used to support this type of belief.
 
Dirk_Skene said:
I think this is the right topic to put this under.

Looking for a little advice.

I have a young protestant fellow I work with that was in my office the other day just visiting. He knows I am Catholic. You can look at my desk & tell. Most folks there are. He was telling my officemate (there are 2 of us in this office) of some things he had been up to & some plan he had made for the weekend. They were less than proper. It was work, but I could not remain silent. I said “(his name) I thought you were Christian & very active in your church with the band & other things.” He said “Well, yes I am.” Then I asked “Well what is up with all this garbage you are talking about doing & the places you plan to go?” His reply floored me. He said “I’m washed in the blood. I am assured of heaven. Nothing can separate me from God.” I was speechless. Has anyone else heard of this nonsense? How does one educate this young fellow? I like him, but what he was talking about is a path to hell. I do see him after work occasionally for a brew so the opportunity does come up from time to time.

If it helps the understanding, he goes to a “Bible only church” & is VERY active there.
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This is the natural conclusion of the Once Saved, Always Saved position prevalent in Protestantiam, which believes that if you accept Christ once then nothing can cause you to lose salvation. All you can do is point out the myriad of Biblical verses which reject this position. One good one, and I’m sorry but I cannot recall the specific verse, is where St. Paul speaks of working out his salvation with fear and trembling, or where he discusses persisting in Christ till the end (death).
 
Wannano said:
I can identify with the feeling it gives you. I have a couple of Catholic acquaintances who like to justify their behavior with “I know I’ll have to tell the priest sooner or later that I am sorry …”
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That is a seriously twisted view of the purpose of confession. Send these folks to me & I will straighten them out for you. 😉 The idea is to work on your sins & eliminate them from your life. I hope you do realize that is the proper Catholic understanding of that sacrament & not take your friends response as the way we actually teach.
 
  • Antinomianism (i.e. Romans 6)
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  • If his faith were an engagement, must the beloved marry him after he breaks faith with said beloved?
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  • If it’s so okey-dokey, let’s invite your pastor!
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  • Or the boss.
I’m sure those with more time can beat this to death better than I.
 
ProdglArchitect said:
… One good one, and I’m sorry but I cannot recall the specific verse, is where St. Paul speaks of working out his salvation with fear and trembling, or where he discusses persisting in Christ till the end (death).
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:doh2: woah! why did I not thing of those 2? YES - thanks.
 
The_Old_Maid said:
  • Antinomianism (i.e. Romans 6)
    .
  • If his faith were an engagement, must the beloved marry him after he breaks faith with said beloved?
    .
  • If it’s so okey-dokey, let’s invite your pastor!
    .
  • Or the boss.
I’m sure those with more time can beat this to death better than I.
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👍 the “invite the pastor” is good … I hope the kid did not get that from him though 😦
 
Dirk_Skene said:
That is a seriously twisted view of the purpose of confession. Send these folks to me & I will straighten them out for you. 😉 The idea is to work on your sins & eliminate them from your life. I hope you do realize that is the proper Catholic understanding of that sacrament & not take your friends response as the way we actually teach.
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Yes, I do know that is not what the Catholic Church teaches and I don’t know of a Protestant church that would condone or teach what the original posters friend says either. The ignorant and immature are found everywhere in all churches.
 
re. "or your boss … "

Upon reflection, it occurs to me that someone who believes in once-saved-forever-saved might also believe in once-employed-forever-employed, and might get the notion to tag you for religious harassment at work. Protect his soul, but protect your job while you’re at it.
 
Generally speaking, Christianity has taken the position that our life on earth is a test. Your co-worker is doing some things that you feel will cause him to fail this test. The stuff that will be on this test are usually defined by whatever denomination the person belongs to. The problem is that the word saved has taken on a different meaning than when the term was first used in the book of acts. Being saved meant receiving the Holy ghost rather than going to heaven. There are multiple sermons given to perspective converts in Acts. No one was ever promised they would go to heaven in any of these sermons. Heaven is just a shrewd marketing gimmick.
 
The_Old_Maid said:
re. "or your boss … "

Upon reflection, it occurs to me that someone who believes in once-saved-forever-saved might also believe in once-employed-forever-employed, and might get the notion to tag you for religious harassment at work. Protect his soul, but protect your job while you’re at it.
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O’ thanks for the notice of precaution, but no chance of that in this work place. The ownership would back me to the hilt. That is why I do not allow myself to be overbearing. Almost everyone at this company is Catholic. I just want to so-to-speak slap some sense into this kid.
 
superwimp said:
Generally speaking, Christianity has taken the position that our life on earth is a test. Your co-worker is doing some things that you feel will cause him to fail this test. The stuff that will be on this test are usually defined by whatever denomination the person belongs to. The problem is that the word saved has taken on a different meaning than when the term was first used in the book of acts. Being saved meant receiving the Holy ghost rather than going to heaven. There are multiple sermons given to perspective converts in Acts. No one was ever promised they would go to heaven in any of these sermons. Heaven is just a shrewd marketing gimmick.
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The only catch is there is no Truth outside the teachings of the Holy Catholic Church. Heaven & Hell are real.

I posted this to get some advice primarily from Catholics, but the others are welcomed to comment too.

If I have misunderstood you I invite you to explain. If you are trying to argue, then please do not post to me again.
 
Dirk_Skene said:
O’ thanks for the notice of precaution, but no chance of that in this work place. The ownership would back me to the hilt. That is why I do not allow myself to be overbearing. Almost everyone at this company is Catholic. I just want to so-to-speak slap some sense into this kid.
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Since he believes that if one is “washed in the blood” they are forever saved, the question becomes, has he really been washed in the blood? Because if he had, then he would show evidence of that. An informed Protestant who believes in Eternal Security would doubt very seriously the salvation of this individual. “Work out your salvation with fear and trembling” indeed.
 
Dirk_Skene said:
I think this is the right topic to put this under.

Looking for a little advice.

I have a young protestant fellow I work with that was in my office the other day just visiting. He knows I am Catholic. You can look at my desk & tell. Most folks there are. He was telling my officemate (there are 2 of us in this office) of some things he had been up to & some plan he had made for the weekend. They were less than proper. It was work, but I could not remain silent. I said “(his name) I thought you were Christian & very active in your church with the band & other things.” He said “Well, yes I am.” Then I asked “Well what is up with all this garbage you are talking about doing & the places you plan to go?” His reply floored me. He said “I’m washed in the blood. I am assured of heaven. Nothing can separate me from God.” I was speechless. Has anyone else heard of this nonsense? How does one educate this young fellow? I like him, but what he was talking about is a path to hell. I do see him after work occasionally for a brew so the opportunity does come up from time to time.

If it helps the understanding, he goes to a “Bible only church” & is VERY active there.
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Some Christians believe that after baptism:
  • If there is justification, sanctification follows.
  • If sanctification did not follow, then there was no justification.
So, to not follow the commandments is a sign that the person may not be justified, but if is not certainly know, by the person, until the judgment following bodily death.

This is similar to Catholic predestination (not predetermination) that God provides sufficient grace but that without cooperation that grace is not efficacious, but with cooperation it is efficacious.
 
Dirk_Skene said:
I think this is the right topic to put this under.

Looking for a little advice.

I have a young protestant fellow I work with that was in my office the other day just visiting. He knows I am Catholic. You can look at my desk & tell. Most folks there are. He was telling my officemate (there are 2 of us in this office) of some things he had been up to & some plan he had made for the weekend. They were less than proper. It was work, but I could not remain silent. I said “(his name) I thought you were Christian & very active in your church with the band & other things.” He said “Well, yes I am.” Then I asked “Well what is up with all this garbage you are talking about doing & the places you plan to go?” His reply floored me. He said “I’m washed in the blood. I am assured of heaven. Nothing can separate me from God.” I was speechless. Has anyone else heard of this nonsense? How does one educate this young fellow? I like him, but what he was talking about is a path to hell. I do see him after work occasionally for a brew so the opportunity does come up from time to time.

If it helps the understanding, he goes to a “Bible only church” & is VERY active there.
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“Everything is permitted of me, but not everything is beneficial” - Saint Paul.
 
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