I can do anything I want. I am washed in the blood

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I can identify with the feeling it gives you. I have a couple of Catholic acquaintances who like to justify their behavior with “I know I’ll have to tell the priest sooner or later that I am sorry …”
Yes, way back in high school I had several male RC friends who would regale everyone with stories of the drunken fun they had the weekend prior, talking about all they had done and who with. When I would raise my protestant eyebrows at them they would explain “that’s what confession is for.”

The moral of the story; there humans in every Church who twist the teachings to their own gain, which kind of shows they are not truly understanding the teaching nor taking it to heart. It is not a “protestant” or “Catholic” problem, it is a human problem around since Adam and Eve.
 
Hi Josh,

The references are great. Thanks.
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Sola scriptura is dangerous.
Not necessarily, I think it’s mistaken and incorrect, but I do believe people can still get close through scripture alone and it has for some instigated the conversion to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (As I believe scripture alone even refutes the idea of scripture alone).

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
And, for a little more historical truth, Paul fought an even greater false teaching in his day. There were a group of believers who reasoned that where there is sin, there is grace. Hence, if grace is to flow, we must intentionally sin so that more grace can flow from God. In the twisted sense, sin became good and a tool for good. Paul squashed that idea pretty thoroughly.

They took Paul’s own teaching and twisted it; Romans 5:20 The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

The answer is all through Romans 6.

1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin.

8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. 22 But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit , resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
I think this is the right topic to put this under.

Looking for a little advice.

I have a young protestant fellow I work with that was in my office the other day just visiting. He knows I am Catholic. You can look at my desk & tell. Most folks there are. He was telling my officemate (there are 2 of us in this office) of some things he had been up to & some plan he had made for the weekend. They were less than proper. It was work, but I could not remain silent. I said “(his name) I thought you were Christian & very active in your church with the band & other things.” He said “Well, yes I am.” Then I asked “Well what is up with all this garbage you are talking about doing & the places you plan to go?” His reply floored me. He said “I’m washed in the blood. I am assured of heaven. Nothing can separate me from God.” I was speechless. Has anyone else heard of this nonsense? How does one educate this young fellow? I like him, but what he was talking about is a path to hell. I do see him after work occasionally for a brew so the opportunity does come up from time to time.

If it helps the understanding, he goes to a “Bible only church” & is VERY active there.
Young guys in their 20s usually think using one organ, and it’s not the one above the neck. My guess is there is probably some exaggeration going on.
 
I can identify with the feeling it gives you. I have a couple of Catholic acquaintances who like to justify their behavior with “I know I’ll have to tell the priest sooner or later that I am sorry …”
Yes, way back in high school I had several male RC friends who would regale everyone with stories of the drunken fun they had the weekend prior, talking about all they had done and who with. When I would raise my protestant eyebrows at them they would explain “that’s what confession is for.”

The moral of the story; there humans in every Church who twist the teachings to their own gain, which kind of shows they are not truly understanding the teaching nor taking it to heart. It is not a “protestant” or “Catholic” problem, it is a human problem around since Adam and Eve.
And if I might generalize even further, there have been many times over the years when I’ve heard a Protestant (or Orthodox for the matter) hear something and assume that it must be “the Catholic teaching” for no reason.

Again, same feeling that Wannano referred to.
 
Yes, way back in high school I had several male RC friends who would regale everyone with stories of the drunken fun they had the weekend prior, talking about all they had done and who with. When I would raise my protestant eyebrows at them they would explain “that’s what confession is for.”

The moral of the story; there humans in every Church who twist the teachings to their own gain, which kind of shows they are not truly understanding the teaching nor taking it to heart. It is not a “protestant” or “Catholic” problem, it is a human problem around since Adam and Eve.
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Yes, I do know that is not what the Catholic Church teaches and I don’t know of a Protestant church that would condone or teach what the original posters friend says either. The ignorant and immature are found everywhere in all churches.
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I am a convert to Catholicism from a faith only tradition. This young man doesn’t grasp that doctrine any more than the catholic whose behavior doesn’t grasp the purpose of confession. Hopefully someone within their churches will set then straight.
 
I hope so.
We had a guy like that in our office. Another person in the office, pretty much irreligious, remarked on his combination of Christianity and immoral lifestyle by saying:
“Oh, so he’s a non-practicing holy-roller”. 😃
 
I think this is the right topic to put this under.

Looking for a little advice.

I have a young protestant fellow I work with that was in my office the other day just visiting. He knows I am Catholic. You can look at my desk & tell. Most folks there are. He was telling my officemate (there are 2 of us in this office) of some things he had been up to & some plan he had made for the weekend. They were less than proper. It was work, but I could not remain silent. I said “(his name) I thought you were Christian & very active in your church with the band & other things.” He said “Well, yes I am.” Then I asked “Well what is up with all this garbage you are talking about doing & the places you plan to go?” His reply floored me. He said “I’m washed in the blood. I am assured of heaven. Nothing can separate me from God.” I was speechless. Has anyone else heard of this nonsense? How does one educate this young fellow? I like him, but what he was talking about is a path to hell. I do see him after work occasionally for a brew so the opportunity does come up from time to time.

If it helps the understanding, he goes to a “Bible only church” & is VERY active there.
This is the extreme end and maybe even a logical conclusion of the sola fide position. Catholicism, too, can sum up the freedom that our faith provides concisely. Augustine put it this way, “Love, and do what you like”.

But there’s a huge difference. With the OP’s position, no real *change *takes place within the believer; they’re forgiven, Christ’s righteousness is imputed to them and their given a cart blanc, a sort of get-out-of-hell-free-card because of their assumed belief/faith. In Catholicism, man must become truly righteous-and *be righteous in order to enter heaven. God doesn’t just suddenly ignore His justice but rather restores it to His wayward creation, forgiving, cleansing, and filling man with grace, His life in us. And from there we’re to cooperate, to continue to follow and walk with Him, to be transformed, to become even more just *yet as He does a work in us.

And the definition of this justice or righteousness, as we’re transformed into His image, is love, which excludes sin by it’s nature and likewise fulfills the law by it’s nature. Not a merely imputed or declared righteousness but a *real *one, as God seeks to perfect us into the beings He’s always intended us to be. So, not “Believe, and do what you like”, but “Love, and do what you like”.
 
Hi Dirk Skene.

I would probably just let him know of these three versus (there are probably some more) and then let him make up his own mind with his belief in sola scriptura.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
One could also add the following, which refutes it directly:

“See then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness towards you, provided you remain in His kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.” Rom. 11: 22.

Unfortunately, all these passages will likely have no impact whatever on your friend. OSAS types usually turn a blind eye to anything that will refute their ideas of eternal security, even if the refutations are scriptural.
 
One could also add the following, which refutes it directly:

“See then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness towards you, provided you remain in His kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.” Rom. 11: 22.

Unfortunately, all these passages will likely have no impact whatever on your friend. OSAS types usually turn a blind eye to anything that will refute their ideas of eternal security, even if the refutations are scriptural.
And another is 1 John 2:

1 My children, I am writing this to prevent you from sinning; but if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, the upright.

2 He is the sacrifice to expiate our sins, and not only ours, but also those of the whole world.

3 In this way we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 Whoever says, ‘I know him’ without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him.

5 But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God’s love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God.

6 Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.
 
Missed this thread somehow.

Dirk, I think God putting this kid in your path was no accident. :highprayer:

I’m surprised one of his protestant buddies have not put him in check yet.

I’m so against OSAS. This destructive doctrine almost encourages people to sin in order to prove how “saved” they are.

Maybe you could invite him to a bible study from your church? Anybody who has ever read the old testament should be well informed as to how serious sin is to the unchanging God of this universe.
 
Missed this thread somehow.

Dirk, I think God putting this kid in your path was no accident. :highprayer:

I’m surprised one of his protestant buddies have not put him in check yet.

I’m so against OSAS. This destructive doctrine almost encourages people to sin in order to prove how “saved” they are.

Maybe you could invite him to a bible study from your church? Anybody who has ever read the old testament should be well informed as to how serious sin is to the unchanging God of this universe.
I have found out since originally posting that his Protestant buddies and his pastor think the same way he does. So of course they are of no use. I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised. After all the Protestant churches are based on “hey I believe what I want”. If you are right and God has put this kid in my path It’s going to be tough finding time to be able to talk to him. Work is not the right place but even more so it’s way too busy. Meeting him after work is tough too . Most of the time he’s either out doing stuff he shouldn’t be doing or he is practicing with his rock ‘n’ roll performance for his church. Every once in a while the kid and I will go out for a beer after work. Maybe I can engage him the next time we do.
 
I have found out since originally posting that his Protestant buddies and his pastor think the same way he does.
That’s depressing. I could see a 20 something kid making excuses for his behavior but a pastor? He should know better.
 
I’d be tempted to blurt out:

“Christ died one the cross for you so that you may have eternal life. Maybe a weekend of debauchery isn’t a proper thank you.”
 
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