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No chance of that
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I found out from hearing the young fellow speak with others that the teaching in question (the title of this thread) is pretty much the summation of the doctrine at his “church” . I am starting to use that term in regards to his church with reservation.
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That is what I am going to try once we get to meet after work for a beer. It will now have to wait a week or maybe two … I had to jump him for business reasons yesterday. He is now a bit shy of me. We need to let that dissipate 1st.
… I would give him a handful of Scriptures which condemn a Once Saved, Always Saved heresy.
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I still contend, like most guys his age, he only responds to one organ on his body.
Even antinomian churches do not have ‘you can do anything you want’ as part of their doctrinal or philosophical statement.
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Son_of_Niall
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Glad to hear that.No chance of that
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Dirk_Skene
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We (you & I & other others that think correctly about the subject) know that jhargus. Some of the ones that do not hold to the True Church teach all you have to do is believe in Jesus & all is well. I could quote some Bible passages that debunk this, but all Catholics know those passages anyway.
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If is was anybody it would be him. Here are the facts:No chance of that
He walks into MY shared office. Shared with another Catholic who thinks exactly the same way as I do, he is just a bit weak when it comes to speaking out.
He brags about the plans he has for a weekend of debauchery. (Keep in mind he talks a lot about his involvement at his “Bible” church.)
I did not want to hear it & the Bible clearly teaches we are to admonish people like this. After he made his comments & I asked my question/made statement - he followed with his “I can do anything I want” statement. I let him know it was time to leave as my partner & I had work to do.
He is the one that would have been called to the carpet for being overtly offensive. I do not want to hear about someone’s drunken & sexual plans. I was offended. I did not report him. But I do plan on talking to him. His “church” is not teaching proper Christianity.
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Right. Try to rely on a love for him.
I realize he is not an “outsider” but is claiming “the Faith”! This puts him in subjection to judgment!
1 Corinthians 5:11-13Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
But rather I wroteto you not to associate with any one who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of immoralityor greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or robber—not even to eat with such a one.12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?13God judges those outside. “Drive out the wicked person from among you.
But if you are compelled to love him and bring him into life, then be very wise about it. Seeking the faith he has first, then possibly the conviction of witnesses.
The problem, however, is when there is separate Communion
This makes it hard to follow the Scriptural way to resolve admonish men’s through the Church.
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Sarcelle
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I did not know better when I was 30 but then I was raised atheist.
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I have been following this thread since the beginning and have read each post. Somehow, and I am hoping I am wrong, I get the uncomfortable feeling there may be more happening than what is being presented at face value.
Dirk, I am feeling you have a genuine concern for j this young man’s spiritual welfare. You are to be commended for that. I in all honesty feel that you also have a desire to point out that Protestant churches are in general really all bad, wrong and twisted. You have made untrue generalized comments in this direction and I am wondering if you even realize it. After looking again at your first post I think I am seeing a trend that makes me wonder if this young man is just saying stuff to turn your crank and get you going? I sense you may be a little like me in that I sometimes won’t drop an issue and keep prodding and pushing to get someone straightened out and usually it ends up worse.
My advice is to lay off this guy and his church and simply tell him you have decided to not dialogue any further with him on religious subjects and that you are praying for him. Tell him you are there for him if he ever gets convicted that he is in error and wants to talk.
Easter is coming up and we all need to be mindful that as Hebrews 6 states, if we have once come to the knowledge of salvation and yet WILLFULLY sin, we are crucifying Christ all over again and there is no sacrifice for sins left.
I am hoping I have not been offensive here. Just wondering if there is more here than what meets the eye…
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Dirk_Skene
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I will try to do this in order
Yes I am concerned.
I am not trying to say they are bad, just that they do not have the fullness of Christianity.
I do not think he is just trying to “get me going”. A conversation about religion is not the norm around at work because it is mostly a Catholic environment. Most of us already think the same.
Can’t do it … it’s not in me. The entire world needs to convert to the Catholic Church. We are the One True Church. I can’t sit placidly while others teach a different gospel.
You were not offensive.
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Well yes, the fellow is young. All the more reason I have to not just let this go. Without proper instruction kids go awry. I do not know if you saw my post earlier when I mentioned that i would have to hold off readressing this for awhile due to a ligament business “chewing out” I had to give him. Luckily that has been quickly solved, and the confrontation may have opened up an avenue to approach him later on the more important issue.
I won’t go into the nitty gritty, but we had lunch together today. He went over his 1 hour ( I am not restricted by time, but he is) but I covered it (he is not under my direct supervision). He is wanting to talk “church stuff” sometime. I think this may be a result of him thinking about my comment when he was in my office talking about his weekend plans & I challenged him.
This could be the start of a move to the True Church. We will see. It will be a few weeks before we can meet after work. I will make myself available when he has the time.
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