I could NEVER be a Catholic because

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Pope Francis opened the door to the idea of ordained women deacons so again patience. Women priests may not happen under his reign but it will happen in the fullness of time.
 
Good point about the Orthodox Catholic church allowing women priests. They by the way consider themselves the true Catholic church. As to Latin, I couldn’t understand it as a youngster but it is very solemn and I love it. Now at mass we hear some Latin, some Spanish and in some cases, even French. At one time, there were a number of Popes at the same time. Things can change. In the future, reunification will occur but it takes time.
 
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Pope Francis opened the door to the idea of ordained women deacons so again patience. Women priests may not happen under his reign but it will happen in the fullness of time.
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No, what he opened was discussion about a number of topics to get a feel for what people were thinking about and talking about. He has never opened the door to changing things that cannot be changed.
 
Yes i guess you understand this thread a negative application. Of ??
 
I don’t know why you feel the need to argue back at me. That’s now what this thread is for. But, here goes.

It’s definitely a true religion to the people who believe it.

Proto-Judaism is clearly an offshoot from ancient-ancient Canaanite paganism. One group elevated their own local deity (There is evidence Yahweh was a war God in the Canaanite pantheon) above the others and was able to suppress the rest in the region due to successful military campaigns and conquest of the area.

This is the opposite of the generic fallacy because I’m talking about a concept that is supposed to be timeless and unchanging. We’re not talking about the symbology of a wedding ring. The evidence shows that the all powerful monotheistic from-the-start-of-time deity was once part of a bigger and more ancient pantheon.
 
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He opened the door to the IDEA of changing things and that seed will germinate in the fullness of time. Also, regarding Popes, during the Western Schism, there were three postulants. The ‘legitimate’ Pope was decided based on pragmatic considerations.
 
Reincarnation is reality to me. That is why. The because.
So be it
Amen
 
There can’t be more than one Pope. During the Western Schism, there were three claimants to the Chair of Peter. Catholics generally recognize Gregory XII as the legitimate Pope but since there was so much confusion, the legitimate Pope agreed to resign for a new Papal election as did one of the anti-Popes, Cossa.

The Last anti-Pope refused to submit to the election (Council of Constance) and was thus ignored and he died in obscurity.
 
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What’s the objective of the thread? To create a laundry list of deeply held objections to the Catholic Faith? Then what?
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Build up a list of the proper responses.
If handled right, this can be very constructive.
 
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Women priests - the church does not have authority to change Christ’s example. He could have ordained Mary, his mother who was born immaculate, but He didn’t.
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Did Jesus ordain priests while he was on earth? Did he ordain bishops also?
 
Yes, at the Last Supper he instituted the ministerial priesthood and ordained them.
 
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There can’t be more than one Pope.
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I thought that there are two popes today. There is the Catholic Pope Francis in Rome and the Coptic Pope in Alexandria, his Holiness Pope Tawadros II who has visited Pope Francis and the USA.
 
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I feel it restricts my spirituality and soul. For me personally all religion does. I abide by Jesus’ two commandments which are a recurring theme in many faiths: Love God and therefore protect Creation; Love each other and therefore protect each other. In the UK ignorance of the law is not a defence so my head is already full of secular rules and regulations governing my actions and speech. Sometimes it’s like treading on eggshells. With just the two basic commandments I feel I get to experience some freedom and because it’s spiritual it’s quite invigorating and makes life more enjoyable. As long as I don’t break those commandments I don’t see a reason not to make the most of the freedom they offer.
 
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I can’t tell you how many people have told me that because I cannot accept the infallibility of the Pope (and, yes, I get the proper limited definition) I was never and never will be a Catholic. I have actually reached a point in my life where I kind of agree with them.

Perhaps we can open the discussion further - or start another thread - of why are there so many Catholics who aren’t actually Catholic along the above lines, variations thereof…that is truly a bizarre phenomenon. I can’t understand it myself.

Then maybe another thread: is a true Catholic (by which I mean faultless/full/unquestioning adherence to the whole kit and caboodle: doctrine/mercy, etc) a true Christian - how much daylight between those two?

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