I deserve to die a horrible death?

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Why are we bled constantly for being imperfect and sinful and told we deserve a painful death and even hell and that we should be grateful for the opportunity to not go to hell?? As if it’s entirely my fault and yet the only reason I am imperfect and inclined to sin is because God made me this way. Sure, if I was a murderer I’d say I Definitely deserve to be punished or even to die. I fought with my sister or told a small lie? I don’t think I deserve to die a horrible death
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You point out a number of things that cause me to not be a Christian.

I don’t believe in “sin” in the way Christianity (as I understand it) teaches. There is so much baggage that goes into this word that it takes a lot more unpacking than many people realize.

For example, “sin” seems to demand punishment. That’s what’s tied up in this word, not just the idea of “bad behavior.” Why should this be so? One can look at it a number of ways. One can see it neutrally, that punishment automatically follows sin as a necessary consequence - and one may leave it at that. But no, instead of seeing it neutrally this way we are told that we ought to “beat our breast” to do penance to a God who eyes us intimately with this sin in view… We are taught to make a big deal out of it and to feel stress, to introduce shame and guilt and fear and all other such negative emotions, that it is the mark of a “true Christian” even that to have these affections is a mark of spiritual progress… I don’t see how feeling the “crushing weight” of sin should lead one to a higher spiritual platform. It is in a sense pathetic even, that one “calls out the name of the Lord” in a desperate, feeble way, that one has left all his sense of healthy pride and self-possession and become “born again” believing that even for the slightest sin he deserves to die eternally… None of this seems healthy to me. It seems artificial and a ghettoization of the interior life, not an advancement in spiritual maturity. Actually, it seems more like a debasement to be perfectly blunt. Nietzsche was on to something when he railed against bad conscience…

True conscience and accountability DOES take into account a real estimation of his or her moral status. But self-evaluation need not imply self-debasement. Humility yes, humiliation not at all. That’s what I think.
 
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God is not seeking revenge. Scripture tells us to be ready to meet the Lord. To give an account for our life. What did we do with our talents?
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What is the unforgivable sin? Blaspheming the Holy Spirit, i.e. offending God. Often times the question comes up why a finite sin requires an infinite punishment, and the usual response is that because God is infinite any offense to him is infinite. To torture someone forever for offense can only be described as revenge. It’s not a tool for teaching and certainly not one of compassion or understanding.

Regarding the first parable it certainly sheds light on certain thinking. Yes, it’s important to be prepared and self-sufficient. Is it reasonable that a singular lapse could lock someone out of a destination for all time? If the wedding is Heaven, then the guests should be allowed the opportunity to make up for many mistakes.

One way that the parable doesn’t hold up as an analogy for salvation is where the five virgins who didn’t get their oil ended up. In the parable they were left out of the wedding, but they weren’t tortured for not being at the wedding. It was mentioned upthread that just because one isn’t in Heaven doesn’t mean they should be in Hell. A limbo type state is far more loving to those who don’t merit Heaven (again if we swallow that Heaven should be a one-strike and you don’t make it in policy). Heck, even having one’s soul obliterated would be better than spending an eternity in Hell.

The second parable is also revealing into Christian thinking. One, we don’t know if the man without wedding clothes could afford them or knew he required them. Two, a good person would give the man the opportunity to get into wedding clothes. A great person would lend the man clothes. A wise person would invite the man to eat and celebrate no matter what he was wearing. It’s that last one that shows where ritual is exposed as more important than character.

I’ll say it again: God could learn a great deal about love, mercy, and compassion from some of humanity. It’s a lesson he could surely use.
 
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One, we don’t know if the man without wedding clothes could afford them or knew he required them. Two, a good person would give the man the opportunity to get into wedding clothes. A great person would lend the man clothes.
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We have a lifetime to go to confession and cleanse ourselves of sin, and to eat at the banquet that happens at every Mass.
 
Mike, sorry, I should have checked your profile before replying. I didn’t realize that you’re an atheist so you many not be familiar with what goes on at the Mass and why Catholics go to confession, what happens when we’re baptized.

Jesus crucified is everything we need to know about how God extends his mercy, forgiveness and compassion.
 
Another way to look at inherited sin is a disease analogy. Some children are born with diseases inherited from their parents. Let’s say for this example it’s an STD because the parent decided to have pre-marital sex and caught something. They have children and it passes on to them through no fault of their own. The child still has to deal with the consequences of inheriting the disease, even though it isn’t their fault.

Original sin is a disease of the soul that has no cure (due to free will) and has a 100% transmission rate from parent to child. It’s not our fault we are born with it, and God did not make us that way. But we are still responsible to deal with it, and God, even though He didn’t have to, has provided us a plethora of ways to treat the disease. It is up to us to go to treatment. Baptism cleanses us from the stain of original sin. After we reach the age where we are aware of personal sin and are accountable for it, we are responsible for not sinning.

God is an infinite being, and any sin is infinite in its magnitude because of the person (God) who is offended. Any sin is enough to condemn us to eternity of Hell because of its magnitude. So yes, we all deserve a horrible death, and much worse, but what we deserve is not what God wants and He has provided us a way out. Keep in mind that God is not just the God of mercy and love, He is also the God of Justice and Holiness. That aspect of Him requires that sin (evil) be punished. Jesus bore our sins to satisfy that demand, but He will not apply it without your consent because of our free will. He doesn’t want robots, He wants us to choose Him, to choose life instead of death.
 
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To torture someone forever for offense can only be described as revenge. It’s not a tool for teaching and certainly not one of compassion or understanding.
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I think your view of Hell is a little skewed. You talk of it as if it’s a pain that God inflicts on us - some sort of external punishment that he didn’t need to subject us to and could remove from us at any time if He wished. But many philosophers view Hell as being the mere fact of being a damned soul. That the damned souls rejects God or clings to sin, and that the natural result of this is Hell. That if God is the source of all goodness, and a person freely rejects God, then the logical result of this is that they are forever cut off from goodness - which is what we mean by Hell. This, I think, is a more accurate view of Hell.
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The second parable is also revealing into Christian thinking. One, we don’t know if the man without wedding clothes could afford them or knew he required them. Two, a good person would give the man the opportunity to get into wedding clothes. A great person would lend the man clothes. A wise person would invite the man to eat and celebrate no matter what he was wearing. It’s that last one that shows where ritual is exposed as more important than character.
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Seem to be over-analyzing a bit, don’t you think?
 
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Some philosophical & theological food for thought that may help other discern
Eternal consequences for refusing Creator Aided (Divine Favor)
to diligently choose to form an impartially ethical inner disposition.
It had to be stretched over two posts.

#1, we human beings are obviously sentient, evidenced by being
able to author things such as creative prose and music.
#2, we can comprehend the concept of ethics.
(i.e. it’s ethical to help someone in need, but unethical
to walk up and punch someone. Or even threat an
innocent person without a need for self-defense against a threat;
and things such as that.)
#3, it has been widely accepted by learned human beings,
that to pursue the ideals of ethics for all,
we have One Creator giving self-evident truth.

Having written that, we each breath our last and have a last heartbeat.
We don’t live in a vacuum, humanity was here before us, and exists
after us, when we go into the hereafter.

What are the eternal consequences for one’s free will formed
by one’s own free will, to from our Creator’s impartial view of us;
receiving Divine Favor - Aided - ethical inner disposition?
(Let’s leave aside, GOD’s Mercy will purify us by Grace, Divine Favor;
having not *betraying Divine Favor - toward accepting this Grace;
to further purify inner disposition to exist fully in the All Consuming
Ethical Beneficial Fire of GOD’s Holiness.)
It’s a decision to appreciate Divine Favor by The Merits of JESUS,
for believers - but GOD’s Grace does take into account;
mitigating circumstances to not yet know JESUS explicitly;
but be able to know Him by His Merits and Divine Favor after this life’s journey.
Scripture and Church Teachings back that up.
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What about refusing GOD’s Aided or Divine Favor help with a full act of the will,
to form an inner disposition against the Holy Spirit?
A betrayal of GOD’s Favor earned by The Merits of JESUS.
Presumption (GOD is merciful, in refusal to take the search for impartial inner
disposition for learning what is permissible by GOD, and besides I will be forgiven
anyway) or Despair (I can’t help myself, so not seeking Divine Favor to learn
impartial ethical conscience or self-willed refusal of Divine Favor to aid a struggle
to not rationalize impartial ethics with unethical thoughts, words, and actions.)
A full act of the human will, can form an inner disposition either saying,
GOD permits evil, or credit evil for good - thus blasphemy against The Holy Spirit;
the only unforgivable sin in this life and the next (the hereafter.)
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We each meet GOD at sometime, whether we choose to understand this truth or not.
Einstein gave credible evidence of dimensions 90 degrees from everthings.
Scientists admit we can’t see beneath the event horizon of a black hole.
Scientists admit there is an event horizon at the furthest reaches of the observable
universe. Damnation could be a type of ‘black hole’ 90 degrees from everything
below us.
Heaven must be beyond the event horizon at the end of the observable universe;
with our all Powerful GOD and by GOD’s Power helping us in the invisible
Spirit realm around us. Do we listen to Angel Messengers like Michael who’s name
means Who is like unto GOD to form a healthy inner disposition;
or the fallen Lucifer, who pridefully in Isaiah said, he would climb the heights of Heaven, whereby he refused Divine Favor to exist in Heaven?
A messenger angel of darkness can appear or whisper to our conscience to let
our fleshly desires be rationalized; as a crafty luring messenger of light to rationalize
forming a healthy inner disposition.
A rough physical analogy would be, the north south poles of a magnet repel each other. Receiving Divine Favor with free will, helps forming attraction to grow
in GOD’s impartial ethics in conscience, word, and action. Why else is this important?
Because, we are responsible on how we influence others. Yes, they are responsible,
in all due respect for impartially know to GOD mitigating factors which can be in their
circumstances of life’s journey to not have with a full act of the will refuse Divine Favor; but each of us are responsible to avoid putting up stumbling blocks, but be a blessing to help influence desire to receive Divine Favor toward an impartially ethical
inner disposition.
For those truly asking, seeking, and knocking with all due diligence in JESUS Divine Favor - He told us all things are possible to GOD. And Paul The Apostle wrote that GOD will complete GOD’s work in us; since GOD seeks us, so we willing receive Divine Favor to seek GOD and imitate CHRIST.
Peace.
 
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One of the theological meanings of ‘Wedding Garments’
is receiving by human free decision Divine Favor.
Since and angel of darkness can assume a luring pleasing
shape - using one’s liberty to refuse Divine Favor;
but seeming to be good to others by works,
wise in one’s own eyes; GOD impartially knows
true ‘Wedding Garments’ from fake ones.
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Faith is the first Divine Favor. It can be used to have
faith in limited human understanding, wise in one’s own eyes;
or a decision to diligently seek Divine Favor from
GOD to form an impartial ethical disposition.
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Interpreting Scripture on one’s own can be very dubious.
He interpreted it with a class warfare earthly materialistic bent.
Peace.
 
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We get to chose what team we want to play on.
I was an adult when I said a prayer something like this… God, I want to go to Heaven, how do I get there?

Now I know things that people blame God for is the enemy who wants us in Hell. We’re so easy. He whispers lies in our ears and we don’t stop to ask if it’s true or not.

Pick which team you want to be on.
 
Eph.1:11; (God) … accomplishes all things according to the counsel of His will.
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God Designed, Decreed, Preordained and He causes every event in our Universe includes every our salutary act and act of our sins for our benefit – CCC 311, CCC 314, etc. Please see also my above post No. 40 on this subject.
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As God has no plan B, this means:
Every event/ act in the Universe, includes in our world, happened, happening and will happen according to God’s Designed, Decreed, Foreordained Plan A.
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According to plan A, from all eternity every event/ act willed and caused by God, includes Satan’s rebellion, Adam’s and Eve’s “fall,” etc.

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The Mystery of Predestination by John Salza (He is a Catholic apologist.)
Page 113; God, however, willed to permit Adam to reject His grace and to sin.” – Reason described in CCC 310; 314; etc.

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The same is true for events in our lives:

“Relative to us they often appear to be by chance.
But relative to God, who directs everything according to his divine plan, nothing occurs by chance.

Hence if this divine influence stopped, every operation would stop.
Every operation, therefore, of anything is traced back to Him as its cause.” (Summa Contra Gentiles, Book III.)

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Catholic Encyclopedia : Evil
“But we cannot say without denying the Divine omnipotence, that another equally perfect universe could not be created in which evil would have no place.”
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CCC 310 But why did God not create a world so perfect that no evil could exist in it?
With infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world in a state of journeying towards its ultimate perfection, 314 through the dramas of evil and sin. – God created the dramas of evil and sin.

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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Free Will explains;

“God is the author of all causes and effects, but is not the author of sin, because an action ceases to be sin if God wills it to happen. Still God is the cause of sin.
God’s omnipotent providence exercises a complete and perfect control over all events that happen, or will happen, in the universe.”

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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Divine Providence explains;

“His wisdom He so orders all events within the universe that the end for which it was created may be realized.

He directs all, even evil and sin itself, to the final end for which the universe was created.

All events preordained by God in accordance with His all-embracing purpose.

Evil, therefore, ministers to God’s design” (St. Gregory the Great, op. cit., VI, xxxii in “P.L.”,

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12510a.htm

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SUMMARY
  1. God’s will directs, causes all things, every event that happen or will happen in the universe.
  2. St. Thomas teaches that God effects everything, the willing and the achievement, St. Th. II/II 4, 4 ad 3.
  3. Nothing that is outside of God’s creating, sustaining, and governing will.
  4. So, why would God punish us or would throw us into hell when we FREELY will what God wills us to will, and we FREELY do what God wills and causes us to do?
God bless
 
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SUMMARY
  1. God’s will directs, causes all things, every event that happen or will happen in the universe.
  2. St. Thomas teaches that God effects everything, the willing and the achievement, St. Th. II/II 4, 4 ad 3.
  3. Nothing that is outside of God’s creating, sustaining, and governing will.
  4. So, why would God punish us or would throw us into hell when we FREELY will what God wills us to will, and we FREELY do what God wills and causes us to do?
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Boy that’s a lot to go through. I think one of your errors is I assuming that when Aquinas says that God effects everything, he is referring to cause and effect. As if sin existed because God caused it to exist. I think the more accurate view is that God sustains things - even the result of our sin, in existence. Or in other words, since we have free will, but God is the source of reality, God makes real our choices, even our evil ones in the sense that God has to sustain everything in existence for it to existence. This is not the same as saying that we sin because God causes us - or fated us - to make a sinful choice.
 
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SUMMARY
  1. God’s will directs, causes all things, every event that happen or will happen in the universe.
  2. St. Thomas teaches that God effects everything, the willing and the achievement, St. Th. II/II 4, 4 ad 3.
  3. Nothing that is outside of God’s creating, sustaining, and governing will.
  4. So, why would God punish us or would throw us into hell when we FREELY will what God wills us to will, and we FREELY do what God wills and causes us to do?
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Boy that’s a lot to go through. I think one of your errors is I assuming that when Aquinas says that God effects everything, he is referring to cause and effect. As if sin existed because God caused it to exist. I think the more accurate view is that God sustains things - even the result of our sin, in existence. Or in other words, since we have free will, but God is the source of reality, God makes real our choices, even our evil ones in the sense that God has to sustain everything in existence for it to existence. This is not the same as saying that we sin because God causes us - or fated us - to make a sinful choice.
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St. Thomas (C. G., II, xxviii) if God’s purpose were made dependent on the foreseen free act of any creature, God would thereby sacrifice His own freedom, and would submit Himself to His creatures, thus abdicating His essential supremacy–a thing which is, of course, utterly inconceivable.

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Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott;

For every salutary act internal supernatural grace of God (gratia elevans) is absolutely necessary, (De fide).

There is a supernatural intervention of God in the faculties of the soul, which precedes the free act of the will, (De fide).
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St. Thomas teaches that all movements of will and choice must be traced to the divine will: and not to any other cause, because Gad alone is the cause of our willing and choosing. CG, 3.91.
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CCC 2022; The divine initiative (supernatural intervention of God in the faculties of the soul) in the work of grace precedes, prepares, and elicits the free response of man.
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The Divine will is cause of all things that happen, as Augustine says (De Trin. iii, 1 seqq.).
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CCC 310 But why did God not create a world so perfect that no evil could exist in it?
With infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world in a state of journeying towards its ultimate perfection, 314 through the dramas of evil and sin. – God created the dramas of evil and sin.
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God bless
 
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St. Thomas teaches that all movements of will and choice must be traced to the divine will: and not to any other cause, because Gad alone is the cause of our willing and choosing. CG, 3.91.
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CCC 2022; The divine initiative (supernatural intervention of God in the faculties of the soul) in the work of grace precedes, prepares, and elicits the free response of man.
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Yes, I’m that God is the cause of free will. Without God sustaining our free will in existence we would not have it. But that’s not the same as saying that God makes the choice for us. That wouldnt be free will. Your free choice is caused by you; your free will is caused by God.
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For every salutary act internal supernatural grace of God (gratia elevans) is absolutely necessary, ( De fide ).
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I take this as meaning that any virtuous act - any act of good - requires grace - requires God, since God is the source of all goodness. To say otherwise would mean that some good is original to ourselves, or is created by us. But again, the fact the the good choice requires God in order for the good in it to exist doesn’t mean that the choice wasn’t your own.
 
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If I understand you correctly for the following reasons, I pray that you
receive Divine Favor, to not claim an infallible prudential judgement,
of ‘universalism,’ (no one goes to damnation.)
GOD Wills impartial GOODNESS.
GOD shapes evil to work toward the overall GOODNESS.
Did you read Matthew 25:31-46?
Did you read, “Not everyone saying to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of My Father in the heavens. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” - Matthew 7:22-23 Where is the maybe? It isn’t there.
In Revelation, we know that whoever is not Written in The Book of Life,
goes where the messengers (dark angels) are.
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You are free to hope that the likes of Adolf Hitler,
makes it to Heaven;
but when you claim infallibility - you could
be guilty of Blasphemy against The Holy Spirit.
For JESUS taught that those who sin without knowledge (mitigation circumstances);
they will receive fewer stripes, though they deserve more.
But, also, woe to those who lead these who belong to Me astray,
it would be better for a millstone be put around their neck,
and cast them into the sea
then what will happen to them on judgment day.
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To whom much is given, much is required. You have much knowledge.
This may impress the less than knowledgeable. And could influence
presumption of GOD’s Mercy or dispairing in it evil acts from them, by
your seeming declaration that no one goes to hell, by your declarations.
JESUS also spoke of whitewashed (appearances of outward goodness,
wise in their own eyes) tombs full of all manner of corruption.
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I trust JESUS The Beloved Anointed One,
not human wise in one’s own eyes interpretations,
and claims of fallible prudential judgments.
" O, the depth of the riches
of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable His judgments,
and untraceable His ways!
“Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been His counselor?"
“Who has first given to God,
that God should repay him?”
For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things.
To Him be the glory forever! Amen."
source: Romans 11:33-36
 
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But that’s not the same as saying that God makes the choice for us. That wouldnt be free will.
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SPBlits, there are two kind of free will, Libertarian free will and Aided free will.

LIBERTARIAN FREE WILL
Libertarian free will is basically the concept that, metaphysically and morally, man is an autonomous being, one who operates independently, not controlled by others or by outside forces.
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AIDED FREE WILL
St. Thomas teaches that all movements of will and choice must be traced to the divine will: and not to any other cause, because Gad alone is the cause of our willing and choosing. CG, 3.91.
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Only God has Libertarian free will no one else, God has given us aided free will.

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Libertarian free will would be useless for us.

The Council of Sens (1140) condemned the idea that free will is sufficient in itself for any good. Donez., 373.

Council of Orange (529)
In canon 20, entitled that Without God Man Can Do No Good. . . Denz., 193; quoting St. Prosper.

In canon 22, says, “ No one has anything of his own except lying and sin. Denz., 194; quoting St. Prosper.

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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Divine Providence explains;
Life everlasting promised to us, (Romans 5:21); but unaided we can do nothing to gain it (Rom.7:18-24).

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GOD HAS GIVEN US AIDED FREE WILL AS FOLLOWS

Aquinas said, "God changes the will without forcing it. But he can change the will from the fact that he himself operates in the will as he does in nature,” De Veritatis 22:9. 31. ST I-II:112:3. 32. Gaudium et Spes 22; "being …
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St. Thomas teaches that God effects everything, the willing and the achievement. S. Th.II/II 4, 4 ad 3.
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CCC 308 For God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Far from diminishing the creature’s dignity, this truth enhances it.

CCC 307 God thus enables men to be intelligent and free, causes in order to complete the work of creation, … Though often unconscious collaborators with God’s will, they can also enter deliberately into the divine plan by their actions.
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As God himself operates in our will, we are freely cooperating with His graces, without even knowing it.

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KEY TO UNDERSTAND

We FREELY WILL what God wills us to will and we FREELY CHOOSE what God wills and causes us to choose.
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St. Thomas teaches that all movements of will and choice must be traced to the divine will: and not to any other cause, because Gad alone is the cause of our willing and choosing. CG, 3.91.
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God bless
 
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Are you claiming ‘unversilism,’ that no one goes to damnation?
And if so, do you claim this as your infallible discernment?

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@rosejmj Is this the first time you has done the Stations of the Cross? The one that you listened to (below) is St. Alphonsus Liguori’s version that you most likely heard and can be quite disturbing for innocent ears. St Alphonsus lived in (1696–1787) and lived in harsh times, especially when he was the Bishop of Sant’Agata dei Goti as can be read below
Liguori was consecrated Bishop of Sant’Agata dei Goti in 1762. He tried to refuse the appointment by using his age and infirmities as arguments against his consecration. He wrote sermons, books, and articles to encourage devotion to the Blessed Sacrament and the Blessed Virgin Mary. He first addressed ecclesiastical abuses in the diocese, reformed the seminary and spiritually rehabilitated the clergy and faithful. He suspended those priests who celebrated Mass in less than 15 minutes and sold his carriage and episcopal ring to give the money to the poor. In the last years of his life, he suffered a painful sickness and a bitter persecution from his fellow priests, who dismissed him from the Congregation that he had founded. Wiki
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I would recommend that you read the Stations of the Cross from Catholic Online as I feel that they would be more helpful to you in understanding the Stations. When you compare them they are vastly different.

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Stations of the Cross - Prayers - Catholic Online

Opening Prayer ACT OF CONTRITION O my God, my Redeemer, behold me here at Thy feet. From the bottom of my heart I am sorry for all my sins, because by them I have offended Thee, Who art infinitely good. I will die rather than offend thee again.
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STATION 6
Veronica Wipes the Face of Jesus

V. We adore Thee, O Christ, and we praise Thee,
R. Because by Thy Holy Cross Thou hast redeemed the world.

Consider that the holy woman named Veronica, seeing Jesus so afflicted and His Face bathed in sweat and blood, presented Him with a towel, with which He wiped His adorable Face, leaving on It the impression of His Holy Countenance.

My most beloved Jesus. Thy Face was beautiful before, but in this journey it has lost all its beauty, and wounds and blood have disfugured it. Alas! My soul also was once beautiful, when it received Thy grace in Baptism, but I have disgigured it since by my sins. Thou alone, my Redeemer, canst restore it to its former beauty. Do this, by Thy Passion, O Jesus.

I love Thee, my beloved Jesus; I love Thee more than myself; I repent with my whole heart of having offended Thee. Never permit me to separate myself from Thee again. Grant that I may love Thee always, and then do with me what Thou wilt.

Our Father, Hail Mary, Glory Be.
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STATION 12
Jesus Is Raised upon the Cross and Dies

V. We adore Thee, O Christ, and we praise Thee,
R. Because by Thy Holy Cross Thou hast redeemed the world.

Consider how thy Jesus, after three hours of agony on the Cross, consumed at length with anguish. abandons Himself to the weight of His Body, bows His Head, and dies.

O my dying Jesus, I kiss devoutly the Cross on which Thou didst die for love of me. I have merited by my sins to die a miserable death, but Thy death is my hope. Ah, by the merits of Thy death, give me grace to die, embracing Thy feet and burning with love for Thee. I commit my soul into Thy hands.
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The Church officially may not yet teach God saves every member of the human race.
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Yet the whole Church is praying for the salvation of every member of the human race (CCC 1058) and we all should believe what we are praying for.
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Also, many members of the Catholic Church from about the highest level teaching from long time that God will save the entire human race, which is not heresy, the Church would not pray for the fulfilment of a heresy.

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Also Cardinal Luis F. Ladaria Jesuit theologian has been secretary, the second in command, of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith since 2008 until 02/07/2017 and from this date on Pope Francis appointed Cardinal Ladaria SJ. to the position of the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and he is teaching Universal Salvation since many years.
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The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith formerly known as the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition.
It was founded to defend the church from heresy; today, it is the body responsible for promulgating and defending Catholic doctrines.

So, the salvation of the entire human race is NOT HERESY (CCC 1058, etc.)!

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There is a very good book on Universal Salvation: Jesus Christ Salvation of All by Cardinal Luis F. Ladaria SJ (Author).
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“Luis F. Ladaria SJ presents a powerful statement openly advocating universal salvation.
His advocacy of universal salvation is openly and undeniably proclaimed. ”
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Jesus Christ Salvation of All by Cardinal Luis F. Ladaria SJ.

“Jesus includes everyone and excludes no one, and all of us have received his fullness (cfr. John 1:16).

The universality of salvation and unity of Christ’s mediation mutually affirm each other.

Yet by dying, he gave us life that is the life of his resurrection.

Even those who do not know him are called to this divine vocation, that is, to the perfect son-ship in and through Christ.

Christians and non-Christians reach this goal by virtue of the gift of the Spirit that associates us with the unique paschal ministry of Christ even if it is through diverse paths known only to God.”

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In our modern Roman Catholic Church more and more Catholic theologians and Catholic Priests teaching Universal Salvation.

We all should believe what we are praying for, which is the salvation of the entire human race.
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God bless
 
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