I don't think I can become Catholic

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As many of you know I have been researching Catholicism (and LDS) for quite some time. I was starting to be drawn to Catholicism and had hoped to start attending mass more regularly as soon as we had moved and settled. However another thread has thrown a spanner into the works…

Over on the “spanking ban” thread, I found out the pope advocates spanking. Now I believe it is physical abuse and am fiercely against it. I’m not sure I can join a church where the earthly leader is in favour of something I consider to be abuse.

My question here Is, how much impact does this belief of the popes have on the church as a whole? Is it merely his personal opinion and I can just put him down as a “bad pope” or does it have more influence over Catholics?

Now I don’t want this thread turning into a “is spanking OK”, there is already a thread to that but it has seriously put a spanner in the works and I am not sure if I can/should proceed?
I think people talk about “spanking” as if it means just one thing, when it can actually mean many things. For one thing, some parents pull down the child’s pants (or even underwear) and some do not. For another thing, parents spank with a wide variety of things – spanking with just your hand is much different than using a cane or belt.
 
As many of you know I have been researching Catholicism (and LDS) for quite some time. I was starting to be drawn to Catholicism and had hoped to start attending mass more regularly as soon as we had moved and settled. However another thread has thrown a spanner into the works…

Over on the “spanking ban” thread, I found out the pope advocates spanking. Now I believe it is physical abuse and am fiercely against it. I’m not sure I can join a church where the earthly leader is in favour of something I consider to be abuse.

My question here Is, how much impact does this belief of the popes have on the church as a whole? Is it merely his personal opinion and I can just put him down as a “bad pope” or does it have more influence over Catholics?

Now I don’t want this thread turning into a “is spanking OK”, there is already a thread to that but it has seriously put a spanner in the works and I am not sure if I can/should proceed?
That’s one of the odder reasons for not becoming Catholic I’ve heard, though I do see your logic.

Any comments the Pope has made about spanking were casual and certainly not in any way official or binding on Catholics. He is an elderly Latin American who has never had children of his own. Most people of that generation favor spanking (and I suspect, though I may be wrong, that Latin Americans are less influenced by the anti-spanking movement than Anglos). I was spanked. I survived. My wife and I are committed not to spank our children.

Can you accept the possibility that spanking is not “abuse” in some absolute, trans-cultural sense, but is a flawed cultural practice that very easily becomes abuse and thus is better avoided? That’s my own position. Or even if you think it is abuse, can you accept that a good person of a particular cultural and generational background might not see that it’s abuse? But even if you think the Pope is a bad person,you can still become Catholic. There have been some very bad Popes. Popes have spoken out, far more officially than anything Pope Francis has said that bothers you, in favor of burning people at the stake, which is surely much worse than spanking!
 
That’s one of the odder reasons for not becoming Catholic I’ve heard, though I do see your logic.

Any comments the Pope has made about spanking were casual and certainly not in any way official or binding on Catholics. He is an elderly Latin American who has never had children of his own. Most people of that generation favor spanking (and I suspect, though I may be wrong, that Latin Americans are less influenced by the anti-spanking movement than Anglos). I was spanked. I survived. My wife and I are committed not to spank our children.

Can you accept the possibility that spanking is not “abuse” in some absolute, trans-cultural sense, but is a flawed cultural practice that very easily becomes abuse and thus is better avoided? That’s my own position. Or even if you think it is abuse, can you accept that a good person of a particular cultural and generational background might not see that it’s abuse? But even if you think the Pope is a bad person,you can still become Catholic. There have been some very bad Popes. Popes have spoken out, far more officially than anything Pope Francis has said that bothers you, in favor of burning people at the stake, which is surely much worse than spanking!
Well said. 👍
 
That’s one of the odder reasons for not becoming Catholic I’ve heard, though I do see your logic.

Any comments the Pope has made about spanking were casual and certainly not in any way official or binding on Catholics. He is an elderly Latin American who has never had children of his own. Most people of that generation favor spanking (and I suspect, though I may be wrong, that Latin Americans are less influenced by the anti-spanking movement than Anglos). I was spanked. I survived. My wife and I are committed not to spank our children.

Can you accept the possibility that spanking is not “abuse” in some absolute, trans-cultural sense, but is a flawed cultural practice that very easily becomes abuse and thus is better avoided? That’s my own position. Or even if you think it is abuse, can you accept that a good person of a particular cultural and generational background might not see that it’s abuse? But even if you think the Pope is a bad person,you can still become Catholic. There have been some very bad Popes. Popes have spoken out, far more officially than anything Pope Francis has said that bothers you, in favor of burning people at the stake, which is surely much worse than spanking!
Very good summation! :tiphat:
 
“I think to want to become a Catholic is to want to follow Jesus.”
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the church puts up a lot of obstacles to following Jesus. one for me is Mariology. i may agree that she will be called blessed for all times but it seems like there is a move to maker her equal with Jesus.
 
Not everything the Pope says is infallible. That includes his comments on spanking. There are many Catholics who disagree.
 
the church puts up a lot of obstacles to following Jesus. one for me is Mariology. i may agree that she will be called blessed for all times but it seems like there is a move to maker her equal with Jesus.
And what is the authority of this “movement”? What are the words? And what do those words actually mean?

There is a huge difference between a movement and the Holy Spirit Who guides a major ecumenical Catholic Church Council including the time of preparation.
 
As many of you know I have been researching Catholicism (and LDS) for quite some time.
Just fwiw, this to me is already pretty strange. If someone says that they’ve narrowed it down to the RCC and one other church, I would definitely not expect the other to be LDS.
 
Just fwiw, this to me is already pretty strange. If someone says that they’ve narrowed it down to the RCC and one other church, I would definitely not expect the other to be LDS.
That is far too long a story and for another thread…I have talked about it before but can’t remember which thread. I will say this though…its not something I have randomly come up with. It’s been a very long process that people on this forum will not have “seen”. I won’t be becoming LDS again anyway…
 
As many of you know I have been researching Catholicism (and LDS) for quite some time. I was starting to be drawn to Catholicism and had hoped to start attending mass more regularly as soon as we had moved and settled. However another thread has thrown a spanner into the works…

Over on the “spanking ban” thread, I found out the pope advocates spanking. Now I believe it is physical abuse and am fiercely against it. I’m not sure I can join a church where the earthly leader is in favour of something I consider to be abuse.

My question here Is, how much impact does this belief of the popes have on the church as a whole? Is it merely his personal opinion and I can just put him down as a “bad pope” or does it have more influence over Catholics?

Now I don’t want this thread turning into a “is spanking OK”, there is already a thread to that but it has seriously put a spanner in the works and I am not sure if I can/should proceed?
No, spanking is not a doctrine. It is just a dynamic teaching in parenting. There is Biblical basis for it as one way to discipline one’s children but it is not to abuse or torture them. It is done only when absolutely necessary and the child knows it.

However, you don’t have to if you do not want to employ this method in disciplining your child.
 
the church puts up a lot of obstacles to following Jesus. one for me is Mariology. i may agree that she will be called blessed for all times but it seems like there is a move to maker her equal with Jesus.
I have never heard of a move to make Mary an equal with Jesus.

I have heard her referred to as Co-redemptrix.
 
So what if the next Pope would give an opinion against spanking? Would you be willing to join then? But then what if he would give an opinion on something else with which you disagreed? You would leave ?

I don’t agree with some opinions the Holy Father has given, but I would never considereleaving the One True Church because of it. Opinions are just that - opinions

I think it would be really helpful to you if you learned and read more deeply what the Church teaches.
 
As many of you know I have been researching Catholicism (and LDS) for quite some time. I was starting to be drawn to Catholicism and had hoped to start attending mass more regularly as soon as we had moved and settled. However another thread has thrown a spanner into the works…

Over on the “spanking ban” thread, I found out the pope advocates spanking. Now I believe it is physical abuse and am fiercely against it. I’m not sure I can join a church where the earthly leader is in favour of something I consider to be abuse.

My question here Is, how much impact does this belief of the popes have on the church as a whole? Is it merely his personal opinion and I can just put him down as a “bad pope” or does it have more influence over Catholics?

Now I don’t want this thread turning into a “is spanking OK”, there is already a thread to that but it has seriously put a spanner in the works and I am not sure if I can/should proceed?
Yes…spanking is a terrible thing. That’s why kids today have no respect for anything and anybody. They got off by standing in the corner.

There is nothing wrong with a gentle spanking. If you are going to base your faith on that…you may need much more guidance.
 
The True Church is the one that is difficult to join, and easy to leave.
Very true…the cost of discipleship…

The True Church is the one that is difficult to join…
He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and he who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for my sake will find it.
and easy to leave
After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him. Jesus said to the twelve, “Will you also go away?”
Although we know as Catholics that there is no such thing as a former Catholic. 🙂
 
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