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Of course I don’t, I’m not a man. I never claimed to “understand” what this is like for a man. But I can imagine what it would be like for a woman. Of course men and women are different but that doesn’t mean that men and women don’t have some of the same issues just not in the same way because of the differences in our bodies alone, not to mention the physiological and the hormonal and others too.

My “objection” to this activity would not be because I “have no idea” about this subject. Example; I would NOT want my husband to be doing this, not because I would be “jeolous” but because as a wife, it is my “duty” (lack of a better word) to get this man to Heaven. And he will not get to heaven by doing THAT. As husband and wife we are to Sanctify each other. And how can we do that if we condone each other’s sins?

Aren’t you your brother’s keeper? Yes… we all are. “Admonish the sinner” not because we want to “punish” or because we want revenge. On the contrary, I would want to try to help save your soul. I know only God can do that, but you know what I mean.

Have you talked to your priest about this? Have you confessed this sin? You will get Grace for confessing this so that you can overcome this. Ask God for the strength to help you overcome this sin. Pray, pray and pray some more. If you get the urge, stop and pray before it happens, then offer up your “sacrifice” for not doing it. God will make you strong. This is a matter of just making a decision once and for all to stop because you know this is a mortal sin. I think “cold turkey” is the best and only way to stop anything. It will only be harder if you “take your time” trying to stop.

I said a prayer for you. :gopray:
When you spring wood that wakes you up at night and you can no longer sleep. I am talking hours. or when you wake up in the morning and there is nothing you can do to get it to go away and you don’t want to walk down the hall and to the bathroom and have your brothers and sisters see it. I mean for a teenager and sometimes even a man it is crazy. Get on the bus, boink. sit in class, boink. sitting at church, boink. I mean for no reason. It is like my body was constantly doing test runs. Sometimes you can’t get rid of them. Can any of you guys out there relate to this when you were young? Sometimes the only way to curb your thingies enthusiasm is to masterbate every once in a while. when I was a teenager it was like every day.

I used to go to confession every week for a while there when i was younger. I asked many priests to tell me what to do. Most said read the bible and pray about it. I did that many many times. I can’t tell you how many rosary’s I did for purity. sometimes I yelled out to God in desparation telling him I didn’t want to go to hell over something so stupid. I even tried pleading with God to make it just go away because I am apparantly powerless over it. I started to tell God that he created this in me and that he is therefor responsible for it. Well none of these things worked of course.

funny thing is later I found out from my male friends that they are ALL the same. I mean EVERY SINGLE ONE of them was just like me! that made me feel much better.

I fully understand the Catholic churches position on this. And I hope that I don’t end up in hell because of it. But as for most men I know, there will be a lot of men in Hell, good men who feed the hungry, forgive their neighbors and lead otherwise very christian lives, in HELL for masterbation.
 
When you spring wood that wakes you up at night and you can no longer sleep. I am talking hours. or when you wake up in the morning and there is nothing you can do to get it to go away and you don’t want to walk down the hall and to the bathroom and have your brothers and sisters see it. I mean for a teenager and sometimes even a man it is crazy. Get on the bus, boink. sit in class, boink. sitting at church, boink. I mean for no reason. It is like my body was constantly doing test runs. Sometimes you can’t get rid of them. Can any of you guys out there relate to this when you were young? Sometimes the only way to curb your thingies enthusiasm is to masterbate every once in a while. when I was a teenager it was like every day.

I used to go to confession every week for a while there when i was younger. I asked many priests to tell me what to do. Most said read the bible and pray about it. I did that many many times. I can’t tell you how many rosary’s I did for purity. sometimes I yelled out to God in desparation telling him I didn’t want to go to hell over something so stupid. I even tried pleading with God to make it just go away because I am apparantly powerless over it. I started to tell God that he created this in me and that he is therefor responsible for it. Well none of these things worked of course.

funny thing is later I found out from my male friends that they are ALL the same. I mean EVERY SINGLE ONE of them was just like me! that made me feel much better.

I fully understand the Catholic churches position on this. And I hope that I don’t end up in hell because of it. But as for most men I know, there will be a lot of men in Hell, good men who feed the hungry, forgive their neighbors and lead otherwise very christian lives, in HELL for masterbation.
This is true, especially the last paragraph…
 
one time I remember apologizing to Jesus because I put him on that cross with my masterbation. I told him that each time I did it I knew i was responsible for the severe beating he got. I envisioned a broken and battered Jesus on the cross and took responsibility for it. I asked him to take my sin away from me and thanked him for suffering and taking my sin away on the cross because I was incapable of it.

I felt very very guilty about it.
 
one time I remember apologizing to Jesus because I put him on that cross with my masterbation. I told him that each time I did it I knew i was responsible for the severe beating he got. I envisioned a broken and battered Jesus on the cross and took responsibility for it. I asked him to take my sin away from me and thanked him for suffering and taking my sin away on the cross because I was incapable of it.

I felt very very guilty about it.
Oh my God, why beat yourself up over this?? Exploring your body wouldn’t nail Him to a cross Santaro. Where do you get this terrible guilt from?? Is it your parents?
 
When you spring wood that wakes you up at night and you can no longer sleep. I am talking hours. or when you wake up in the morning and there is nothing you can do to get it to go away and you don’t want to walk down the hall and to the bathroom and have your brothers and sisters see it. I mean for a teenager and sometimes even a man it is crazy. Get on the bus, boink. sit in class, boink. sitting at church, boink. I mean for no reason. It is like my body was constantly doing test runs. Sometimes you can’t get rid of them. Can any of you guys out there relate to this when you were young? Sometimes the only way to curb your thingies enthusiasm is to masterbate every once in a while. when I was a teenager it was like every day.
Something like this, if not provoked by your thoughts, is normal. It stops being normal when you give in and try to “relieve it” by committing the sin.

Here, this might help. It’s from the article, Is Masturbation Sinful?

This particular sin is the most frequently mentioned sin by men in
the confessional. It IS a very common sin. Usually, it is a mortal
sin. If a person is in a state of grace, and is striving to
remain pure
, it may not be a mortal sin if suddenly, almost
spontaneously, one looses control at a moment of weakness
. In
such instances a person may not have given “full consent of the
will.” These unplanned venial wounds, however, are often followed
by acts that ARE mortal sins
. Once the spontaneous physical
impulse has passed, a person may continue to masturbate only
to satisfy unnecessary carnal lusts that are intentionally
entertained!
If these acts are done with decided forethought, then
the will has certainly fully consented to commit them. As such,
they are definitely impure and mortally sinful. Therefore, ordinarily,
if Catholic people have committed sins of masturbation, they
should NOT receive the Sacrament of Holy Communion until they
have gone to Confession
.

This bit of info coming from a man might also help. It comes from a book called “If You Really Loved Me.”
Masturbation does not “get rid of” temptations any
more than a prostitute does. Both may temporarily
relieve sexual desires, but our goal as Christians is not
simply to get rid of temptations, but to Glorify God with
our bodies. The idea that masturbation can be used to
decrease sexual desires is like saying that lighter fluid
can be used to extinguish a fire.
 
Oh my God, why beat yourself up over this?? Exploring your body wouldn’t nail Him to a cross Santaro. Where do you get this terrible guilt from?? Is it your parents?
The guilt that he has is NOT terrible. It is normal that he feel guilty. That is the only way that he knows that he is sinning. Don’t try to take his guilt away from him. That’s like Peter wanting to take Jesus’ suffering and dying on the cross away from Him. Satan loves to take guilt away from people who are striving not to sin and to stay pure. Santaro should say “get thee behind me satan!” if guilt is being eliminated.

btw, please don’t take the Lord’s name in vein.
 
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santaro75:
I used to go to confession every week for a while there when i was younger. I asked many priests to tell me what to do. Most said read the bible and pray about it. I did that many many times. I can’t tell you how many rosary’s I did for purity. sometimes I yelled out to God in desparation telling him I didn’t want to go to hell over something so stupid. I even tried pleading with God to make it just go away because I am apparantly powerless over it. I started to tell God that he created this in me and that he is therefor responsible for it. Well none of these things worked of course.
But they have started to work, don’t you think. Since you are very aware that this is a sin, then this is a start right? Patients with God’s “time” is crucial. He has His own way of doing things and His own time too. For all of this that you did, God has given you Graces. I commend you for this. You are in my prayers. :gopray:
I fully understand the Catholic churches position on this. And I hope that I don’t end up in hell because of it. But as for most men I know, there will be a lot of men in Hell, good men who feed the hungry, forgive their neighbors and lead otherwise very christian lives, in HELL for masterbation.
You never know. Perhaps they will repent and tell God they Love Him very much and to show mercy for them. Only God will know what is truly in their hearts. And to me it seems you want to have a pure heart. That is a good start.
 
The guilt that he has is NOT terrible. It is normal that he feel guilty. That is the only way that he knows that he is sinning. Don’t try to take his guilt away from him. That’s like Peter wanting to take Jesus’ suffering and dying on the cross away from Him. Satan loves to take guilt away from people who are striving not to sin and to stay pure. Santaro should say “get thee behind me satan!” if guilt is being eliminated.

btw, please don’t take the Lord’s name in vein.
Take the Lord’s name in vane? I don’t think that has happened AT ALL!!! Do you know what it is to do that?? OBVIOUSLY you don’t. (and it’s vane, not vein like the leg…)
It is not normal to feel guilty. He’ll probably get to Heaven before you.
 
AllegreFe, with people like you here, every person is condemned to hell by your standards. You must live your life like a monk. Who are you to judge others, including myself? You are no better to say you’ve never sinned. Santaro probably feels like killing himself after your posts.
 
But they have started to work, don’t you think. Since you are very aware that this is a sin, then this is a start right? Patients with God’s “time” is crucial. He has His own way of doing things and His own time too. For all of this that you did, God has given you Graces. I commend you for this. You are in my prayers. :gopray:

You never know. Perhaps they will repent and tell God they Love Him very much and to show mercy for them. Only God will know what is truly in their hearts. And to me it seems you want to have a pure heart. That is a good start.
yeah a start. its been almost twenty years now
 
Take the Lord’s name in vane? I don’t think that has happened AT ALL!!! Do you know what it is to do that?? OBVIOUSLY you don’t. (and it’s vane, not vein like the leg…)
Oops, spelled it wrong. And it’s vain.
I DO know what it means to take the Lord’s name in vain. Do I need to put your quote here?
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bella5110:
It is not normal to feel guilty. He’ll probably get to Heaven before you
Yes, maybe, who knows. But I’m glad at least you said that I’ll get to Heaven. lol

bella5110 said:
Oh my God, why beat yourself up over this?? Exploring your body wouldn’t nail Him to a cross Santaro. Where do you get this terrible guilt from?? Is it your parents?

What do you call THAT? To take the Lord’s name in vain does not only mean when you are angry and lash out using His name in anger. Ask Father Larry Richards and he’ll tell you. And btw, just asking someone not to swear or take the Lord’s name in vain does not mean that I am judging them. If I asked and then added, “you will burn for that” to my request, now that is judging.
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bella5110:
AllegreFe, with people like you here, every person is condemned to hell by your standards. You must live your life like a monk. Who are you to judge others, including myself? You are no better to say you’ve never sinned. Santaro probably feels like killing himself after your posts.
You are so wrong. I never said that anyone was going to Hell. I am just pointing out that certain things would be considered a sin.

And I NEVER said that I have never sinned. When did I ever post that? Please put my quote here if you can find it.

I am not judging here. I am only putting links in here that might help him. I am trying to be sincere and genuine in my actions here and I hope santaro can see that.

And for you to say that santaro feels like killing himself is outrageous. You are underestimating him. I am only trying to help him and whoever else might be reading these posts. I would never insult santaro as to say that he wants to kill himself. Give him some credit will ya. Your opinion of him is very poor if you think he would want to kill himself.
 
this is one of the reasons the reformation happened. the catholic model of salvation makes it just about impossible for you to be saved unless you are as good as Jesus which is pretty much impossible.

Realizing you are a sinner and letting jesus save you even with your sins is what they believe. you strive your hardest to not sin out of love but all the while knowing you are saved because of his great love for you.

With theRCC model you can’t get to heaven without an official from the RCC giving you forgiveness for your sins. And we are ALL kidding ourselves because by the Standard Jesus set out for us, we are all mortal sinners almost every day!
 
yeah a start. its been almost twenty years now
Trails and tribulations don’t just end, cause we want them too.

They take strength and courage that is beyond us. They take the Grace of God.

Honestly we all have our own set of trails and tribulations. For you it might be overcoming the urges of masturbation; for me it’s food!

Some days are better then others. Of course I can’t avoid food totally because I need it to live, but I do have an unhealthy attraction to food. There are days that I should of stopped eating like 3 plates ago, but I still eat. There are days, I just give into those urges, because I don’t want to fight them.

However, I’m learing to take it a day and moment at a time. I try to find other things to do with my hands….like cleaning. (There is always housework to be done). I like to watch T.V, however I find that if I sit to long and watching, then I want to eat. So I then find other things to do to pass the time. And above all, when I’m with it and really care I call on God for help. I just start talking to Him. That is if I really care that day, that moment: there are other moments when I just say forget it and cave. I always feel bad when I cave.

I don’t know what you watch on T.V. or the type of movies you watch. However, you may want to avoid certain shows. Personally, because my problem is with food, I find I do better if I avoid the “cooking shows”.
 
this is one of the reasons the reformation happened. the catholic model of salvation makes it just about impossible for you to be saved unless you are as good as Jesus which is pretty much impossible.

Realizing you are a sinner and letting jesus save you even with your sins is what they believe. you strive your hardest to not sin out of love but all the while knowing you are saved because of his great love for you.

With theRCC model you can’t get to heaven without an official from the RCC giving you forgiveness for your sins. And we are ALL kidding ourselves because by the Standard Jesus set out for us, we are all mortal sinners almost every day!
Yes it seems pretty much impossible to be like Jesus. But we have the Sacramental Graces here in the Catholic Church to help us out. That is Jesus reaching out to us. He is right here substantially present so that we can receive Him and pray in front of Him in Adoration.

I never said that you would go to hell for this. I merely pointed out that masturbation is a sin then pointed you to some links. So I hope you don’t think that I was judging you. :nope: I’m not.

And yes, I am a sinner. 😦 My weakness is being lazy sometimes. I also don’t pray as often as I should. I try not to talk to my girlfriend on the phone because then the gossip might creep in. 😦 Instead I just wait to see her at family gatherings. (my gf happens to be my sis-in-law). Being on the computer for long periods of time is one of my weaknesses too.
 
Oops, spelled it wrong. And it’s vain.
I DO know what it means to take the Lord’s name in vain. Do I need to put your quote here?

Yes, maybe, who knows. But I’m glad at least you said that I’ll get to Heaven. lol

What do you call THAT? To take the Lord’s name in vain does not only mean when you are angry and lash out using His name in anger. Ask Father Larry Richards and he’ll tell you. And btw, just asking someone not to swear or take the Lord’s name in vain does not mean that I am judging them. If I asked and then added, “you will burn for that” to my request, now that is judging.

You are so wrong. I never said that anyone was going to Hell. I am just pointing out that certain things would be considered a sin.

And I NEVER said that I have never sinned. When did I ever post that? Please put my quote here if you can find it.

I am not judging here. I am only putting links in here that might help him. I am trying to be sincere and genuine in my actions here and I hope santaro can see that.

And for you to say that santaro feels like killing himself is outrageous. You are underestimating him. I am only trying to help him and whoever else might be reading these posts. I would never insult santaro as to say that he wants to kill himself. Give him some credit will ya. Your opinion of him is very poor if you think he would want to kill himself.
I don’t have to ask a priest like you if that was taking the Lord’s name in vane. I am not angry, again that is YOUR word. YOU need to give him the credit, I already gave it to him. YOUR opinion of him is poor, that is why YOU are telling him it’s a Mortal sin and he’s going to hell. What a nerve to try and twist things around. Are you sure your on the right forum? Saying “oh my God” is NOT taking the Lord’s name in vane. Get a life…
 
Is it Vane or Vain?
dictionary.com:
in vain,
a. without effect or avail; to no purpose: to apologize in vain.
b. in an improper or irreverent manner: to take God’s name in vain.
It’s VAIN!
 
As I recall, originally it was vein and who really cares…would you like a star for that?? :rotfl:
sounds like a little kid to me.
I wasn’t the one who criticize the poster for misspelling the word!
Take the Lord’s name in vane? (and it’s vane, not vein like the leg…)
Well it’s not vein; and it’s not vane; it’s VAIN.
 
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