I dunno what the title should be.

[Valke2]

This is a good point to consider.

The answer to this is it depends. Vanity, especially in the context of the commandment, Thou shall not take the name of the Lord in vain means that we shall not use His name irreverently or out of the proper context.

Vanity, fundamentally, is using a word or object, in a manner which abuses the original intent. Therefore, if like, i use the word, like, like this, I like, using the word, like in, like, vain.

Hence, the application of God’s name should be used in prayer, teaching, and situations where it makes sense.

If I have a bumper stick that says, “The San Diego Chargers football team is the team that God would root for”, I have broken the commandment of the Lord because that is vain usage of the word.

Do not be fooled that vanity is simply using the Lords name angrily. This was my belief for about 22 years until I was properly catechized.

From tradition, we know that during the feast of Yom Kippor, the High Priest, would have a rope tied around his body when he entered the Holy of Holies and offered Sacrifice. The High Priest would pronounce the name of the Lord, once, and the rope was there just in case he did so irreverently. You may find this extreme but I say our culture have successfully turned phrases like “Jesus Christ!” or “God!” or even worse, etc, into an emotional expression rather than a prayer.

God Bless you.

This commandment might be more accuratley translated as “thou shall not carry the Lord’s name in vain.” In other words, don’t attach God’s name to your own causes. Because humans generally have flawed reasons for their actions, and to attach God’s name to a flawed action diminishes Him in the eyes of others.

The rope was there, btw and as I understand, in case the high priest died or was incapacited in the holy of holies. Because no one else would be able to go in there to get him. So they would drag him out with the rope.

 

[bella5110]

This commandment might be more accuratley translated as “thou shall not carry the Lord’s name in vain.” In other words, don’t attach God’s name to your own causes. Because humans generally have flawed reasons for their actions, and to attach God’s name to a flawed action diminishes Him in the eyes of others.

The rope was there, btw and as I understand, in case the high priest died or was incapacited in the holy of holies. Because no one else would be able to go in there to get him. So they would drag him out with the rope.

Excuse me, do not try to interpret the Commandments into what you think is the message. It isn’t “Thou shalt not CARRY the Lord’s name” Valke, but “Thou shalt not take the name of The Lord Thy God in Vain”. In other words, if you swear by taking His name, you have committed a horrible sin. If you use God’s name in any context with vulgar, that’s a sin. not simply by saying “oh my god”.

 

[Cam-masta]

Masturbation is a grave/mortal sin. We have established that fact…well actually the Holy Spirit established it when He spoke this truth through the Magisterium. Listen, it is not about male and female differences. It’s about a very human dillema called sin and the effects of it are evident in our sex crazed, it’s-about-me culture. This issue is no exception…male or female!

 

[Mommyof02green]

Honey, Valke is very good, but I’m better at catching his snide remarks and his BS. He wil think you are gullible, but not me. That’s why he ignores my answers, b/c he knows I’ve got him all figured out…Don’t you Valke…

My husband reminds me all the time the “silent” does not mean agreement.

If Valke, thinks I’m gullible. So be it! I don’t care I just know that it’s possible to be forced to do things you don’t want to do.

As far as Valke not being a Christian, and me not saying it doesn’t matter. Well, please don’t take my words out of context. This thread is about masturbation. It’s about weather it’s a Sin or Not Sin in the eyes of God. It’s about how Catholicism views masturbation. Valke, personal believes doesn’t change how Catholicism would view what Valke described.

 

[bella5110]

I’ve had enough of this thread anyway, it’s the same thing over and over. You do what you think is good, I’ll do what I think is good.

 

[Valke2]

My husband reminds me all the time the “silent” does not mean agreement.

If Valke, thinks I’m gullible. So be it! I don’t care I just know that it’s possible to be forced to do things you don’t want to do.

As far as Valke not being a Christian, and me not saying it doesn’t matter. Well, please don’t take my words out of context. This thread is about masturbation. It’s about weather it’s a Sin or Not Sin in the eyes of God. It’s about how Catholicism views masturbation. Valke, personal believes doesn’t change how Catholicism would view what Valke described.

I don’t answer bella for a variety of reasons. None of which have anything to do with her being right.

 

[bella5110]

I don’t answer bella for a variety of reasons. None of which have anything to do with her being right.

Valke, I am right about a lot of things and you don’t like it.
you can go on with lots of reasons why you don’t like me, it will probably be called bashing, but, we’re used to that.

 

[Cam-masta]

well masterbation is a mortal sin, and if i died right now, my merciful God would send me to enternal HELL. That is what the RCC teaches. I believe we all think there is something flawed about this teaching. It contradicts the whole benevolent, God whose Son was beaten and died for my sins.

In the words of the Venerable Fulton J. Sheen: "Forgiveness can only be accomplished by sin bearing, and sin bearing means a cross. It means that to God, and it must mean that to us. That is why our Blessed Lord said, “If any man will be my disciple, let him take up his cross and follow me.” It is because of Christ’s total abandonment to the Father that this is possible, accomplised by His vicarious atonement for our sins, and Resurrection from the grave.

If you died right now, God wouldn’t send you to Hell, you would have sent yourself there. “The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.” 2 Peter 3:9. Before you go all haywire, let me add this. If you resolved to go to Reconciliation as soon as posible and then suddenly died having true sorrow and contrition, God would hear you and have mercy on you. He’s not some vengeful old man in the sky, counting how many times you fell, rubbing His hands in anticipation of throwing you in eternal torment. That is the extreme Fundamentalist version of God. The reality is that He is Emmanuel, God is with us. He is with us in our pain and when we fall, and fully understands what it is like to be tempted in every respect. “For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin.” Hebrews 4:15. That is the RCC teaching. The Divinely appointed Catholic Church which has been here for 2,000 years is not at fault. Sinful man is. Shalom.
+ Brother Cameron

 

[AlegreFe]

I am not angry, again that is YOUR word.

I didn’t say that you were angry.

bella5110:

…that is why YOU are telling him it’s a Mortal sin and he’s going to hell.

I never said he was going to hell. You need to re-read my posts. If you find where I said that then post it here and show me.

bella5110:

What a nerve to try and twist things around.

I’m not twisting anything here.

bella5110:

Saying “oh my God” is NOT taking the Lord’s name in vane.

I think you need to look it up. If you don’t say His name in prayer or speaking to Him, then it is taking His name in vain. You were not praying and you were not speaking to Him. His name is not being used in the correct context. Were you calling to Him to ask Him something? No.

If you listen to Fr Larry’s CD called “Confession” you will know what I mean. I admit, it slips out at times but I right away say something such as “Blessed be God forever” or some kind of short little prayer like that. When I confessed to the Priest about it he told me to right away say that or another little prayer like that. So that is what I do. And I also asked him, what do I do if I hear it from someone… he told me to ask politely for them not to say it and then say that short little prayer to myself.

bella5110:

Get a life…

I have one, and I’m happy with my life.

I’m done defending myself to you. This is “7th grade immaturity” and I won’t continue with such immaturity. So just know whenever you contradict me and I don’t “defend” myself, that doesn’t mean that I agree with you.

You are in my prayers and this is coming from my heart.

 

[AlegreFe]

well masterbation is a mortal sin, and if i died right now, my merciful God would send me to enternal HELL. That is what the RCC teaches. I believe we all think there is something flawed about this teaching. It contradicts the whole benevolent, God whose Son was beaten and died for my sins.

Oh please have hope. And don’t say that you are going to Hell. :nope: If you agree that no one can say whether they are going to Heaven, then this falls in that same category. No one knows where we are going whether Heaven or Hell. All we can do is HOPE and Trust in Jesus Christ. :yup: My goal is to get to Heaven and that is what I’m shootin’ for, as hard as it is sometimes. We should all have a prayerful life and “workout our salvation in fear and trembling.” We have Confession and all the other Sacraments.

I hope you looked at those 7 Steps to Freedom and Purity. I read them and those steps are good for me for any sin… they are good for all of us for any kind of sin.

 

[Valke2]

My husband reminds me all the time the “silent” does not mean agreement.

If Valke, thinks I’m gullible. So be it! I don’t care I just know that it’s possible to be forced to do things you don’t want to do.

As far as Valke not being a Christian, and me not saying it doesn’t matter. Well, please don’t take my words out of context. This thread is about masturbation. It’s about weather it’s a Sin or Not Sin in the eyes of God. It’s about how Catholicism views masturbation. Valke, personal believes doesn’t change how Catholicism would view what Valke described.

I understand where you’re coming from.

 

[AlegreFe]

I just listened to Father Larry Richards again. I love his talk on Confession. You can get his “Confession” CD at his website. It’s at the top of the page.

Fr Larry emphasized that God is very merciful and that He will forgive us in Confession. He says that God wants to set us Free from our Slavery.

Sin makes us “dirty” so that we know we have sinned; that is called Guilt. We want to get clean. He said that if we did not feel guilt then that means our soul is “dead” and we won’t be able to feel the “burn.”
He uses this analogy for guilt;
“…If you take your hand and you put it in the fire and your hand’s
a healthy hand you’re going to pull it back… Woe! … It’s good you
feel that little bit of pain or you’d let it burn. If your hand has
leprosy and it’s dying and you put that into the fire you can leave
it there all the time and it’ll burn right off and you won’t feel
anything. When a person feels guilty it shows their soul is still
alive. So we sit there and we get the guilt so we’ll stop doing it.
When we stop feeling guilty for sin, it shows our soul is dead.
Do you feel dirty when you have sinned? — Good… God wants
to cleanse you…” Fr Larry

 

[kellie]

Take the Lord’s name in vane? I don’t think that has happened AT ALL!!! Do you know what it is to do that?? OBVIOUSLY you don’t. (and it’s vane, not vein like the leg…)
It is not normal to feel guilty. He’ll probably get to Heaven before you.

Ummmmm, it’s “vain” as in “having no real value” and you took God’s name in vain when you said “Oh my God”.

Guilt is good about sin, stressing over the guilt and sin may lead to scrupulosity however.

And bella, for someone who in every thread screams how much she loves the Church and Jesus, it isn’t very nice to tell Sandy that santaro will probably get to heaven before her.

You are not to judge about anyone’s ability to get to heaven.

 

[Valke2]

When I said that the 3rd commandment could be interpeted as “thou shall not carry the lord’s name in vain” I was referring to the fact that the Hebrew word for take can also mean carry. Thus, the commandment may be seen as also prohibiting the carrying of God’s name as a sort of standard for one’s own petty causes. I could see this applying to the use of God’s name to justify a war, for example.

 

[bella5110]

Ummmmm, it’s “vain” as in “having no real value” and you took God’s name in vain when you said “Oh my God”.

Guilt is good about sin, stressing over the guilt and sin may lead to scrupulosity however.

And bella, for someone who in every thread screams how much she loves the Church and Jesus, it isn’t very nice to tell Sandy that santaro will probably get to heaven before her.

You are not to judge about anyone’s ability to get to heaven.

I’ll say what ever I wish, that is called a discussion and that is what we are here for. Not to be condemned to hell by you, and the others on this thread. People that preach Holier than Thou lives should watch out, for Jesus said “Last will come first, and first will come last”. That is why I said Santaro will get to Heaven before any one of you.

 

[bella5110]

Oh, and Kellie, thanks for seeing how much I do love my church and Jesus…

 

[HailMary]

Masturbation is a grave/mortal sin. We have established that fact…well actually the Holy Spirit established it when He spoke this truth through the Magisterium. Listen, it is not about male and female differences. It’s about a very human dillema called sin and the effects of it are evident in our sex crazed, it’s-about-me culture. This issue is no exception…male or female!

Masturbation is only a mortal sin if you have full will. For most men, it has been something they started when they were around 12 and have been fighting it since.

By definition it is NOT a mortal sin if they have a weakened will.

You do not want to place this concept in a person’s mind (male or female) that it IS a mortal sin if they have been doing it for 20 years now and if they DO NOT STOP immediately then the next time they do it they go to hell if they die without confession. This is not theologically in line with Catholic thought, it is not charitable, and it is not common sense.

If you HATE masturbation, and you are still a slave to it - in your will (which is what fundamentally counts), you have told God that you do not want to be here. It is an addiction. However, you can be addicted to it and LOVE it - therefore in your will you have consented. Your body may be addicted to something, but the faculty of the intellect, that which makes us in the likeness of God, will must also have consented to make it a mortal sin.

I will repeat, if you have not consented in your will - it is not a mortal sin; translation do you ENJOY what you are doing? If you could push a button to stop immediately, would you do it and rejoice? Do you HATE masturbation?

Matthew 26:41

Watch and pray that you may not undergo the test. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."

God Bless you.

 

[kellie]

I’ll say what ever I wish, that is called a discussion and that is what we are here for. Not to be condemned to hell by you, and the others on this thread. People that preach Holier than Thou lives should watch out, for Jesus said “Last will come first, and first will come last”. That is why I said Santaro will get to Heaven before any one of you.

How and where did I condemn you to hell?

Saying whatever you wish does not show your love for the Church and Jesus.

You may say how much you love Jesus as many times as you like, but then when you turn around and say stuff like this post, it negates it all I’m sorry.

I don’t wish to sidetrack the thread, so I will try and leave it there

 

[Valke2]

How and where did I condemn you to hell?

Saying whatever you wish does not show your love for the Church and Jesus.

You may say how much you love Jesus as many times as you like, but then when you turn around and say stuff like this post, it negates it all I’m sorry.

I don’t wish to sidetrack the thread, so I will try and leave it there

Amen. Mother Theresa once said compassion is God.

 

[bella5110]

Amen. Mother Theresa once said compassion is God.

Oh please Valke…your the last to speak…She also talked about Jesus Christ. did you listen then??