I fear for Britain's future - Sarah Vine. Mail Online

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SARAH VINE: I fear for Britain’s future if we erase the past (good and bad). It’s been a very long time since freedom of thought felt so fragile or so risky
Well, I don’t know about you, but events over the past few days have left me feeling very depressed.

Everywhere I look, the world seems to be on fire, and I can’t see a way of putting it out.

But the thing I find most troubling, the thought that has brought me to the verge of tears, is the way Britain — one of the most tolerant, fair and least prejudiced nations in the world — appears to have been infected by the same sickness that, for the past decade or so, has been tearing America apart.

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People talk about ‘culture wars’, often without really knowing what that means. And until recently the notion seemed a fairly abstract concept, the sort of term bandied about by Newsnight presenters and academics, but largely irrelevant to ordinary people.

But that is no longer true. The battles that have been raging on U.S. campuses and streets have firmly invaded our shores.

Complex questions of politics, race and identity have become sharply polarised, stripped of all nuance, simplified beyond all reason and presented as moral imperatives, a simple case of good versus evil, love versus hate, and yes, black versus white.

Virtually nowhere is it possible to have an open, constructive debate about the pros and cons of any given issue.

Reason has been replaced by insult, intellect by raw emotion, curiosity by preconception.

There is so much that I have found deeply saddening about the scenes in recent days. The sight of horses being rammed with bicycles; the defacing of monuments dedicated to those who fought to protect our freedoms; the sheer ignorance that seems to underpin the views of some protesters.

In particular, the notion that all white people need to apologise for their very existence (exemplified by one little girl, aged maybe six or seven, whose mother posted a picture of her holding up a sign proclaiming her ‘white privilege’) — and the idea we are all racists.

To assume so — as many appear to — is as wrongheaded as the assumption that a young black male hanging out in the park is a drug dealer. It is simply not true.

Just as it is not true that the police are ‘all bastards’ or ‘racist scum’, as the chanting protesters who daubed slogans all over London and Bristol would have it.

Some may well be — there are bad eggs in every walk of life; but the majority do an important job, mopping up the fringes of society where most of us would never dare to tread.

And yet those who’ve tried to make that point, who have tried to calm the fervour of the seething crowds, have been turned upon, typecast as not much better than the men who killed Floyd.

The truth doesn’t matter, because the truth doesn’t interest the self-righteous social warriors invading our streets.

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All they care about is reinforcing their view of the world as they see it, not as it really is.

Any deviation from the narrative of extreme political correctness, of ‘woke’ revisionism, is interpreted as a thought crime, a perversion, and shut down accordingly.

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It has been a very long time since freedom of thought felt so fragile — or so risky. As to a situation of such intolerance supposedly arising from a desire for more tolerance — well, the irony hardly needs explaining.

And so, by necessity, and because — let’s face it — it’s very hard and very frightening to stand up to the mob, people capitulate.

The police ‘take a knee’, betrayed by politicians such as Sadiq Khan who take the path of least resistance, playing to the gallery and promising, as he did yesterday, to revise London’s landmarks according to the new rules of historical revisionism.

University students are ‘shamed’ into complying with the political demands of their unions, ‘called out’ for not participating in endless boycotts, fearful that if they refuse or dissent they will be ‘cancelled’ and their lives made a misery.

Celebrities indulge in empty virtue-signalling, deluding themselves they are using their influence to ‘make a difference’ when all they are doing is pandering to their own desires to be liked by a generation of overgrown toddlers who refuse to listen to reason.

That is how you end up with statues being pushed into rivers by baying mobs.

For what it’s worth, I think Bristol is a better place without the Edward Colston statue.

But I disagree with the method of removing it because it represents a mindset I find deeply sinister.

No doubt, for example, the fervent ISIS jihadis who torched the library at Mosul, or flattened the Temple of Baal in Palmyra, felt they were pursuing righteous justice in eliminating the evidence of past regimes they despised.
 
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In reality, they were, like that mob in Bristol, merely indulging in cultural vandalism.

The world has, at innumerable points in history, been a savage and cruel place. For some — all too many — it still is.

But you cannot and should not whitewash history, however much elements of it may repulse you.

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Indeed, I would argue that this is especially true of humanity’s greatest injustices, of which slavery is one.

For as long as Auschwitz remains standing, for example, we will never forget the genocide of World War II, and rightly so. Slavery is in that same category.

The best way to honour its victims is to preserve their memory with dignity and respect — and never lose sight of the evil done to them, however much it offends our sensibilities.

Where this will end I do not know. As I write, Labour-led councils across Britain are threatening the future of any statues deemed to be offensive to the new cultural commissars.

But if, as a nation, we don’t find the courage to push back against the madness, to make the case for Britain as a democracy which, while not always blameless, is nevertheless one of the most civilised and tolerant places on the planet, I can see a not-too-distant future where it’s not the likes of Colston being torn down, but Winston Churchill who’s being evicted from Parliament Square.

Then, essentially, we would have a Britain whose past — both good and bad — had been wiped away.

And that would make me fear for its future.
 
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I feel like I’m paying the government to create the tragedy in the US, via the schools (especially universities). And I cannot imagine what the motivation is for the administrators.
 
The last time I was in England was 2005. This was before Brexit and it seemed an ideal society, especially compared to America. I haven’t been there since then, but what I hear from people online who identify with Labor is that a lot of services have been cut. I wouldn’t go back to England or Europe for that matter, seem to be very dire there right now with politicians and media putting happy faces and silver linings on everything. That’s what’s been going on in America since the Bush administration.

I think what social media has done is exacerbated the reality that some people can’t have discussions. Again, this goes for either side of the political spectrum. I remember in the 2000’s there was a plethora of message boards where discussions could be had and people could respectfully disagree while forming bonds. Well, those message boards are gone now. I suspect the owners may have got themselves in trouble when people got offended and they no longer saw it beneficial to run a forum. It happened on MySpace where there were countless incidence of violence due to discussion, so it shut down.

I’m in a working class community that is diverse and I’m grateful to be in my community. But, to me a lot of America is a mess and has been for awhile. Looking it from the perspective of the wealthy and powerful, they more than likely fear most Americans and probably stay safely in their bubble. I’m a little cynical, but they probably do have great control or some control of media and arts and really do dumb it down or censor the message so as not provoke violence.

I gave up on Cable News and Local News along time ago, it’s entertainment at best clickbait at worst. Most of my day is spent listening to a Jazz or Blues station. All we can do is live in our bubbles, be grateful for what we have and detach from media. I sometimes listen to public radio, but mostly for the culture and arts. TV really is the boob tube. Again, there is nothing I can do about America. So, I focus on the essentials: Catholicism, Family, Community, My hobbies.
 
Compared with the destructiveness of our disaster capitalism Brexit, fussing over a few statues is absurd.
 
She should be afraid.
Nuanced thought is dead.
The woke goalposts keep shifting.
There is no way to keep track of what’s correct and what’s not.
 
Christians are taught all humans are fallen (except Mary if you’re Catholic). This woke/SJW mob teaches there are sinless people, and its themselves. The former teaches forgiveness is possible, the latter teaches forgiveness doesn’t exist and any person who trespassed even in ignorance needs to be cancelled. The mob has created a new purity culture.
 
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The former teaches forgiveness is possible, the latter teaches forgiveness doesn’t exist and any person who trespassed even in ignorance needs to be cancelled. The mob has created a new purity culture.
I feel like I’m paying the government to create the tragedy in the US, via the schools (especially universities). And I cannot imagine what the motivation is for the administrators.
I think so ATraveller and as Buks has said we are paying for this new tragic mindset through our taxes to state education. This can only be done by people who control our finances to educate (sic) the next generation in this madness.
All we can do is live in our bubbles, be grateful for what we have and detach from media. I sometimes listen to public radio, but mostly for the culture and arts. TV really is the boob tube. Again, there is nothing I can do about America. So, I focus on the essentials: Catholicism, Family, Community, My hobbies.
I wish you peace Repentant. Sometimes all we can do is ride out the societal madness and hope it passes before too much damage is done.

Enjoy the jazz and blues music. 😃
 
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A statue of Queen Victoria in Leeds has been sprayed with graffiti including the words “murderer” and “slave owner”.(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
 
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I’m just not really sure how taking statues down is whitewashing history. You can still be aware of a historical period and historical figures without putting statues up celebrating them (and, alternatively, seeing a statue alone is not enough to educate someone about a historical figure). Statues are generally intended to convey some kind of national heritage or culture. If you want to change perceptions of that then it makes sense to attack statues.
 
If you want to change perceptions of that then it makes sense to attack statues.
Hate to remind you, but the founding fathers, George Washington included, owned slaves. Following your logic, his name has to be whitewashed from the pages of history. Tear down his statues, rename states, cities, streets. Eradicate any reference to the past, because the past was not woke.
 
This is an interesting post. Sarah Vine is the wife of Michael Gove, who is widely seen as a contender for Boris Johnson s job should he decide to throw the towel in.
 
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Hey Brits, I just read an opinon piece discussing the Reign of QEII now really over due to the Corona virus.
This is because she wont be able to get out until a vaccine, given the age of her and hubby.
 
It’s intersting to me how the protests started in sympathy with George Floyd and police brutality in America and wound up y’all infighting against each other…?

At least that’s my understanding of this article?
 
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Boston has a number of statues. Actually visited Saint -Gaudins. He lived a very modest life but created so many statues. This is Shaws 54th Massachusetts black regiment during the civil war monument, sits in Boston Common.

I don’t like the tearing down of statues. but it seems that is what is happening, either badly defaced or knocked down and I expect to see more of it.

I honestly don’t see the tearing down of statues as anything to do with the rage. It is a distraction. They could care less about these statues in general. Gives them press and they feel empowered with each statue they destroy. Said we could not destroy it but look we did, and so on to the next one, more empowerment.

It seems more a drastic change that is being demanded and that includes an economic change, more in line with communism. It kind of reminds me of Russian revolution but so far on a small scale.
 
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Another day. Citizens stand to protect statues.

 
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There’s an awful lot of posturing going on - mind you that’s what statues are all about really. 😉
 
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