I feel so sad and moved with pity for judas

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Yes thanks everyone I finally get it because peter asked for forgiveness but Judas did not…
 
The thief who was crucified with Jesus was forgiven in his last breaths.
 
Yes, absolutely. And Judas could have been too. I was just saying that all along he didn’t seem quite right–like a true follower of Christ who had right motives.
 
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I occasionally pray for Judas as thsst he may have repented and asked for forgiveness before he died. The church condemns no one, judgement is left to Christ
 
The Christian faith is one of joy. If one is not joyful, then the cause should be identified and addressed.

Poor priests! They must deal with…

…Us!
 
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Lion_IRC:
I didn’t say “The Church”.
I said “scripture”.
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Hmm… that almost sounds like you’re saying that the Church and Scripture might be at odds with each other… 🤔
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Nope.
Premiss - Scripture is true.
Premiss - Church teaching is based on scripture.
Therefore - Church teaching is true.

Now as for a person’s interpretation of what the Church teaches, that’s an entirely different premiss.

What does Jesus say (pray) to The Father?

…After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come…
… While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction…
 
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I occasionally pray for Judas as thsst he may have repented and asked for forgiveness before he died. The church condemns no one, judgement is left to Christ
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Of course, unless it is revealed we do not know. Nowhere in Sacred Scripture or Tradition is it said that Judas is not in hell. We sing in the Byzantine Bridegroom Matins (Sessional Hymn 2 – Tone 4):
The priests, the scribes and the council of the impious
have gathered against you, O God our Savior;
through jealousy they persuaded Judas to betray you;
he was not ashamed to go out and speak against you,
saying to the lawless ones: What will you give me if I hand him over to you?
O Lord, spare our souls from such a condemnation.
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Also in Ode 9:
Blinded by his love of money, he lost all sense of mercy; the traitor forgets that the entire universe is not worth the loss of his soul, as you have taught. Therefore he goes out in desperation and hangs himself. O Christ our God, have mercy on us and save us.
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And sadly, Judas had to be replaced. Acts 1
24 Then they prayed and said, “Lord, you know everyone’s heart. Show us which one of these two you have chosen 25 to take the place [Note: other ancient authorities read the share] in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.”
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Nope.
Premiss - Scripture is true.
Premiss - Church teaching is based on scripture.
Therefore - Church teaching is true.
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Fair enough, but your post was pointing out a seeming contradiction, according to you: “Scripture says Judas wasn’t saved” and “the Church doesn’t claim that any particular person is in hell.” 🤔

Unless your position is “the Church knows that Judas is in hell, but merely isn’t talking about it”, then there’s a seeming contradiction in your position… no?
 
I’m with you on this one. I’ve always felt really sorry for Judas.
 
You can pray for his soul, there is no limits to God’s Mercy 🙂
 
Why do I have to defend a position I don’t hold?
You put quotation marks around that strawman.
Who are you quoting?
 
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Joshuajoseph12 said:
Personally I feel very sad for Judas Iscariot as I can see in the passion of Christ movie he was tortured by the devil…like Jesus had to only choose Judas for his betrayal I know that what he did was very VERY wrong but he was really scared im having this feeling for some days please give an answer so I can glorify Jesus nd preach to anyone who has this feeling for judas…
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What’ll really crack your noggin is the question of whether he was fully culpable for selling out Jesus of Nazareth because someone had to do it in order for prophesy to be fulfilled.

Thankfully, modern Catholicism has backed off of the idea that he for-sure went to hell.
 
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It was really just yesterday that someone explained away my weirdness on the Judas issue in the way several others here already have. Both Judas and Peter betray Jesus. One throws himself at His mercy, the other throws himself into despair. That’s the part that mattered.
 
Lion_IRC said:
Premiss - Scripture is true.
Premiss - Church teaching is based on scripture.
Therefore - Church teaching is true.

Now as for a person’s interpretation of what the Church teaches, that’s an entirely different premiss.
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  1. Actually, scripture has multiple interpretations or meanings, depending on the tendencies of the people reading.
  2. the church provides the correct meaning of the scripture that is read out of all the multiple meanings that people find when they read it, meaning the church teaching provides the correct reading of scripture and not ‘scripture determining the teaching’.
  3. Therefore the church teaching prescribes the correct and True reading of scripture from a multiplicity of readings, where readings contrary to church teaching are false readings and false teachings and false meanings.
Finally, one does not have to worry about misinterpreting Church teaching because the magisterium and papacy are alive, living, real people whom you can ask to tell to you and explain to you exactly what they mean rather than you trying to figure out what they mean by reading some historical document, although such documents are available showing how the real living magisterium talked to their real living questioners in ages past.
 
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I was alarmed by the report of tens of thousands being cast into Hell in a single hour, but I am forced to conclude there must have been some calamity among the heathens for such an extreme outcome. Today, with the population more than tenfold greater than it was in St. Leonard’s day, about 8000 people die in a typical hour. Yes, all who truly seek salvation will be saved, and Heaven will not seem sparsely populated for it, but St. Leonard and the others rightly warn of the danger of presumption, that because of presumption, it is probable that only a minority of adult Catholics will persevere to salvation.
 
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