I genuinely don't get it - why the illogical hatred???

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I think it’s great that you were so upfront about your beliefs. It is cause for them to think and gives you an opportunity to show people that a Christian is NORMAL! (Whatever that word means anyway…)

Keep up the good work!

I would type more but I just got back from a night call and now I am like…well…tired.
 
OP, I have a similiar problem, except mine is kind of “impossible” to bypass, without breaking a commandment.

Well, I am not much for Catholics atm, due to several fights but I think people should be allowed to do what they want when to comes to religion. You need to tell your boss, see what happens, if they end up being real bad about it, I guess try to find another job, or just wait, I have a job every summer (Working for other farmers) and we work on wednesdays usuaklly the average day (we usually get off 6-8 pm. So I really never got to go during work weeks.

I am glad your interested in going to Mass, I am not Catholic, and chances of that are slim to none atm, but I think their are some good ones in the bunch.

btw: what religion are you, and any previous ones? just wonderin, if you don’t want to answer, no problem.
 
btw: what religion are you, and any previous ones? just wonderin, if you don’t want to answer, no problem.
None. Im comming to here from a position of previously being agnostic. However, what triggered my movement towards catholicism was the intercession of Mary, the Mother of God, and the spiritual cleansing she instigated.
 
Ag, I hope and pray that God works on the heart of your co-worker. 🙂 I agree with Tim about the comments of Bp. Fulton Sheen. For years, I had a lot of misconceptions about the Holy Catholic Church, mainly about Mother Mary and the saints. I did a lot of research and found that I was wrong on them.

My mother wasn’t fond of my decision, but I told her that it wasn’t her decision. I am hoping I can get her to come to communion this Easter.

Anyway, Ag… good luck.
 
None. Im comming to here from a position of previously being agnostic. However, what triggered my movement towards catholicism was the intercession of Mary, the Mother of God, and the spiritual cleansing she instigated.
Although I have no clue how Mary does that, good luck with that. Everyone needs faith.
 
Although I have no clue how Mary does that, good luck with that. Everyone needs faith.
👍 You and me both baby. I didnt know any prayers, I never talked to God (why would I?) I knew nothing about Mary and evven less about anything else. I put the why into cynic !! And yet it happened. 👍
 
It’s just bias.

Think, for example, of all the movies in the last twenty or thirty years that involved Catholicism. How many of them actually portrayed Catholicism realistically? Almost all of them just were set out to make it look like our leaders in red and black are evil, corrupt, power-hungry, blah, blah, blah. Is it true? Overall, no. Sure, there are some bad Bishops and probably some bad Cardinals, but that’s inevitable. Even the Aposles had Judas – and he was handpicked by Jesus. I mean, if all of Catholicism I saw was those movies, I’d probably hate Catholics too.

People will claim two things when you ask them. They will claim that, #1, they will not believe everything they hear and, #2, that they know movies and TV are not good sources to get a dose of reality. Yet they fail to pass the test. Think, for example, how many people believe that John Paul I was really killed because he wanted to reform a corrupt Curia? They see it on the Godfather and believe it’s true. They failed the test! You can understand why so many of us Catholics work hard to show people why the Da Vinci Code is rubbish – people say they aren’t easily suggested, but they are. It’s funny too, because if you watch documentaries on National Geographic or Discovery that do stuff on the Da Vinci Code, you’ll see how those historians tell us over and over again why the Da Vinci Code just has it wrong on so many issues.

So why do people like in your story hate us Catholics like that? For them, since they were taught so wrongly about Catholicism and since they see it reinforced by the media, the hate just grows.

The question naturally arises: why was it they were taught like this in the first place? Well, when the US was founded, it was almost completely by protestants, unitarians or deists. The only thing their faiths really had in common was hate for Catholicism. This hate gets passed down and still exists today in bias.

People of course will say that they aren’t biased against Catholicism at all. But, that’s what bias is: nobody admits having it.

Anyway, with all of that, at least you and I can thank God that you don’t have such stupid biases. You can tell it’s illogical.

People like the ones in your story will say so much against Catholicism, and when you ask for some proof, they will provide it. The thing is, though, a lot of the proof isn’t even real. They’ll say how Pius XII hated Jews and collaborated with Nazis (not true), they’ll say how the Pope has many titles that imply he thinks he’s Christ’s equal (also not true), and they’ll make countless other nonsensical claims, like saying that the Church just wants money and power (stop and think: how many greedy people would be willing to take a vow of poverty?).

It’s a lot like party politics. The political base in one party will believe whatever negative things they hear about the other party. I could give examples of the current election, but I don’t wanna go into candidates’ details like that since it’s against the rules here, but I think you get the point anyway. Cheerleaders will cheer their side even if their side is wrong.

Atheists say that religion has no logic or truth; in a funny way, it’s true, because when people complain about Catholicism, they don’t use logic or truth.
 
Not yet. I’m guessing I’m going to wait until early next year. I mean, there’s like 67 days left in this year and Ive not made it into a church yet 😃
I don’t think that it’s a requirement that you previously had attended mass before you go to RCIA. In fact,I doubt it very seriously. You should start attending mass though once you’ve signed up for RCIA.
 
Ok, so I’ve found a catholic church. I’ve now negotiated a slightly later starting time with my boss on the days Im on early turn, so I can get to mass in the morning. I want to see what it’s all about.
Ag_not, you said your boss has agreed to a later starting time, so I would take this to him now. Let him know what your coworker said and ask him to handle rearranging the schedule.
 
A couple of thoughts.

First, you are not obligated to share your reasons for needing time off work. If you are entitled to the time off and you’ve OKed it with the manager, then that’s it. I would probably not talk about my reasons with anyone except trusted friends, and even then, I would be darn careful. My husband believes that no one in a workplace should be considered a “trusted friend.”

Second, I’m not saying that you should pursue this option, but keep it in mind. In my company, if someone fails to “tolerate” someone’s religion, they could be disciplined for “harassment.” Harassment is defined as any talk, actions, gestures, printed material (including t-shirts), etc. that makes another co-worker uncomfortable. Employees have a right to practice their religion without harassment from co-workers. It sounds to me like your co-worker came very close to crossing this line. It might be a good idea to kindly warn the co-worker to be careful, because harassment terminations do occur. (Harassment is one of the ways that a worker in my company can be fired without any warning. That’s in writing, BTW–that’s considered the warning.)

Third, remember that the harassment thing can bite YOU in the butt! Your co-worker might report YOU for harassment, claiming that your open discussion about Catholicism makes them feel uncomfortable and threatened. Be VERY VERY careful. I would keep my mouth shut.

Finally, considering the vehemence of the co-worker’s reaction, is it possible that there could have been some kind of abuse? It may not have been the co-worker, but perhaps a relative or friend?

I’m not saying this gives her permission to harass you about Catholicism, but it certainly explains why they are so violently opposed to the Church.

In February 2002, my family was kicked out of an Evangelical Free Church–it was very cruelly done–and even though I have forgiven them to the best of my ability and moved on, and even though I understand that the EFree churches are autonomous and that the actions of one EFree church do not mean that other EFree churches would act the same way–I STILL have a hard time saying good things about the EFree church. A few months ago, I accepted an invitation to the opening of a new EFree church in our city, and I attended. I kept my mouth shut. But I was thinking bad thoughts about the denomination.

So maybe something really bad happened to your co-worker that has caused them to be emotional opposed to Catholicism. Be kind.
 
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I just left it. I was too shocked really to carry on talking to her. I wasnt expecting the explosion I got - but the REASON she gave was even MORE BIZZARE !!!

Oh well. Back to square one I guess. Daily mass is not on the cards now. BUT, I’m DETERMINED to make mass this sunday 👍

I don’t get it. I really don’t get it.
Your coworker sounds like a nut-job. I’ve experienced similar reactions from Mormons and some Calvinists, it’s best to keep your faith to yourself in the workplace. Some groups can demand (and get away with) special accommodations, but we’re not one of them.

You can probably still start RCIA, you could in our Parish anyway. It started about three weeks ago and runs until Easter, so it’s really not too far along. If you want to attend some weekday Masses, which only run about a half-hour, you might check other Parishes in your area. In our community, between the different Parishes, you can go early AM, mid AM, noontime, or 5:30 PM.
 
**She doesnt hold with any orgnaised religion. She’s a free thinker and doesnt need to belong to a church or give the pope her money **

I’ve noticed that most people who call themselves “free thinkers” merely take the current popular image of Christianity (itself distorted) and invert it–showing themselves to be just as enslaved to it as the hell-and-hallelujah shouters they claim to be free from!
 
**She doesnt hold with any orgnaised religion. She’s a free thinker and doesnt need to belong to a church or give the pope her money **

I’ve noticed that most people who call themselves “free thinkers” merely take the current popular image of Christianity (itself distorted) and invert it–showing themselves to be just as enslaved to it as the hell-and-hallelujah shouters they claim to be free from!
Good point.

If you want to see something mind-blowing, walk into a meeting of “free thinkers” and go, “Gentlemen, I’ve been devoting a lot of thought to the issue of religion. After much analysis, I have determined that Jesus Christ is the son of God. Now, let’s discuss.”
 
I don’t agree entirely. Most people have been exposed to the idea that what Rome says not only should be followed, but is the absolute, infallible, unquestioned truth. Since American logic is largely predicated on the idea of rugged individualism or on exploring all avenues to discover an “ideal way”, the idea of someone who simply accepts whatever a particular authority says is regarded as un-American or simply unable/unwilling to explore.

As for the second part, I don’t think there’s necessarily a problem with submission to authority or help figuring things out. Many Protestants attend or hold Bible studies, where groups of people discuss a particular concept or passage. Most Christians have no problem acknowledging God as sovereign king over all of creation. But most people would have a problem if their local pastor said, “Everything that I’ve said today is absolute, and if you don’t follow it exactly then you’re a heretic worthy of damnation.” THAT is where the problem comes in. THAT is what we see in parts of the Middle East, where given the choice between living a life on the run or blowing yourself up and going to paradise is predicated on that idea.

And frankly, very few people want to hear lengthy explanations on the justification of Catholic authority or another explanation. Totally surrendering your independent thought as a man to the whims of a group composed of men is regarded as repulsive.
I don’t see how any of that is a disagreement with what I said.
 
Duh. Next time, invite her. Or light a candle to Mary and say a prayer for her soul. Then invite her.

Repeat until desired result is acheived.

Never flair back up (hard)

Do not argue (harder)

Forgive and pray (hardest).

Even if you do not end up Catholic…
 
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