I have a question about the STD's situation

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Trelow:
To commit sexual acts with another when you have an incurable STD is tantamount to attempted murder.
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There is a distinction to be made, however…
it is one thing to have a STD and another to be in a contagious stage of a STD. If a STD is treatable and predictable then one can responsibly maintain sexual relations with a spouse and even concieve from said relations. It isn’t the end of the world for either party, but certainly one which requires discipline and responsibility (but doesn’t all sexual relations require such?).
 
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Some STDs are curable. Some are treatable and allow one to be non-contagious for stretches at a time. Others are incurable. In any case, responsibility and concern for the other party to whom one wants to give themselves to should take priority over fulfilling one’s own sexual desire or release of sexual tension.
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Which ones are those?
 
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Andrew_11:
Im a seventeen year old male and i can say that not all teen males share in blackghosts opinion. I dont understand why it would be so hard to be happy without having sex.
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Of course not everyone shares my opinion. And I say that because sex is a pretty big part of life, its the only thing that can create life. To not have sex would be like missing out on some of your life.
 
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TheBlackGhost:
Of course not everyone shares my opinion. And I say that because sex is a pretty big part of life, its the only thing that can create life. To not have sex would be like missing out on some of your life.
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If that is what you are called to, yes. But not all people are called to the vocation of parenthood. Ask any single adult out there, as well as priests and sisters. Even some married couples are not called to have their own biological children, so they are blessed with adoptive children.

I know it seem unimaginable to someone your age, but trust those of us who know…sex really is not ‘everything’. God is, and that includes whatever path God has in store for you - whether or not that includes sharing in the sexual experience.
 
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YinYangMom:
If that is what you are called to, yes. But not all people are called to the vocation of parenthood. Ask any single adult out there, as well as priests and sisters. Even some married couples are not called to have their own biological children, so they are blessed with adoptive children.

I know it seem unimaginable to someone your age, but trust those of us who know…sex really is not ‘everything’. God is, and that includes whatever path God has in store for you - whether or not that includes sharing in the sexual experience.
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Well then I guess I don’t agree with you at all. I’m not just talking about the child factor, I’m just saying that it’s like a part of life, and I want to get as much out of life as I can while I still have the chance. And will you stop talking so condescending to me because you are older then me? It’s really starting to get to me.
 
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TheBlackGhost:
Well then I guess I don’t agree with you at all. I’m not just talking about the child factor, I’m just saying that it’s like a part of life, and I want to get as much out of life as I can while I still have the chance. And will you stop talking so condescending to me because you are older then me? It’s really starting to get to me.
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It’s not me you disagree with. It’s Catholic Church teaching, but that’s ok since you already stated you aren’t Catholic.

Life is about knowing God, loving Him and serving Him.
It’s always about loving someone else as well as yourself.
Sometimes that love includes sexual relations, if marriage is your calling.
Sometimes it isn’t.
But since we’re loving somebody, somehow, at all times, we’re still happy in life.

Sex is good.
Love is great.
Love is greater than sex.
You need great love to enjoy good sex.
But you don’t need good sex in order to enjoy great love.

I don’t mean to sound condescending, I’ve always just written plainly. Please do not take offense by my writing style, I assure you none is intended.
 
Thats great and all, but I feel like we’ve really lost track on the orginal purpose of this thread. I think enough has been said anyway, there isn’t much reason to continue this, because it’ll just turn into another flame contest.
 
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TheBlackGhost:
Happy and fulfilled? What kind of dream land are you living in? I doubt you would be saying that if you were in this situation. My head would explode if I was, at least I have the guts to admit it. Happy, please. Just knowing I didn’t have the option would kill me.
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I am in this situation (I am married but separated), and I have a happy and fulfilled life. Is it always easy? No, but I am still happy.
 
YinYangMom said:
Here’s one site which identifies the differences.
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I was specifically referring to the non-contagious part as I was of the understanding that that there was no such thing.

The link you provided discussed herpes and HPV. Both are still considered contagious even if the infected person isn’t experiencing an outbreak. From the link:
Even with treatment, however, any incurable infection may be passed to a sexual partner. Likewise, you are at risk when you have sex with anyone who has had an incurable STD — even if that person has undergone or is undergoing treatment.
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Even commercials for herpes treatment are (finally) acknowledging this fact.
 
I am a little older than you and hold the opposite opinion, as you suggested others would…

Sex is a part of life, but so it death… more so an essential part… Don’t see many people rushing to die 👍

As to whether someone with an STD or the such should have sex?
It is interesting that many healthy people have taken to a life of chastity and seem extremely content… Dare I say more so then people who might frequent sex as often as possible?

Though I must always wonder how one, who might have a dangerous disease, would be so willing to pass it on to someone they love so much to unite with in the maritial act?
It’d seem they’d curb their desires for the protection of their loved one, even if that means a life of chastity together.

Of course, history is against us is it not? How’d you think these STD’s got spread in the first place… Let’s try something different and abstain 👍
 
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CatholicCid:
I am a little older than you and hold the opposite opinion, as you suggested others would…

Sex is a part of life, but so it death… more so an essential part… Don’t see many people rushing to die 👍

As to whether someone with an STD or the such should have sex?
It is interesting that many healthy people have taken to a life of chastity and seem extremely content… Dare I say more so then people who might frequent sex as often as possible?

Though I must always wonder how one, who might have a dangerous disease, would be so willing to pass it on to someone they love so much to unite with in the maritial act?
It’d seem they’d curb their desires for the protection of their loved one, even if that means a life of chastity together.

Of course, history is against us is it not? How’d you think these STD’s got spread in the first place… Let’s try something different and abstain 👍
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Yes - “sex wasn’t meant to kill you” as the saying goes.
 
anyone who has an STD and has sex, even with a condom cause they don’t work all the time, is a real sleeze, its the same as assult or murder. You are knowingly hurting someone.
 
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TheBlackGhost:
Seriously? You must be a bad reader. I mean I probably could of made it look better, but I stated the whole point of the post maybe like 3 times. So if that didn’t make ANY sense to you try not to respond, because you didn’t contribute anything.
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Actually I’m a good reader, I have a bachelor’s degree in History. I’ve read many books. I suggest you pick up a Bible or a Catechism of the Catholic Church and read up on what we’re talking about here.

You stated your “point” 3 times but very incoherently. Try revising and making a point right away. Otherwise people will lose interest.
 
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StratusRose:
Actually I’m a good reader, I have a bachelor’s degree in History.
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That’s cool, many people tell me I should major in History, not really what I want to do though.
I’ve read many books.
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As of I.
I suggest you pick up a Bible or a Catechism of the Catholic Church and read up on what we’re talking about here.
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Nah, tried, got bored. Yeah, we’re talking about what we are suppose to do about the people who have STDs currently.
You stated your “point” 3 times but very incoherently.
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I know, I said this myself
Try revising and making a point right away.
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I don’t have the drive to do that.
Otherwise people will lose interest.
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You lost interest? It was three lines, not an essay. Mishappen or not it’s not like it’ll take you 20 minutes to read.

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TheBlackGhost:
That’s cool, many people tell me I should major in History, not really what I want to do though.

As of I.

Nah, tried, got bored. Yeah, we’re talking about what we are suppose to do about the people who have STDs currently.

I know, I said this myself

I don’t have the drive to do that.

You lost interest? It was three lines, not an essay. Mishappen or not it’s not like it’ll take you 20 minutes to read.

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If you don’t want to read the text of the religion then you won’t get your answers.

Grow up.
 
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TheBlackGhost:
Well And will you stop talking so condescending to me because you are older then me?
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Better advice: Stop pretending you have more wisdom and experience than your elders.

Fact: I’m smarter than you. I’ve more experience in life than you. This isn’t due to any sort of special virtue I have. I have no special virtue. It is simply because I am more than twice your age. You’re complaining about missing out on life. Your life has barely begun.

Sex is not essential to a happy life. What is essential to a happy life is to live with grace and virtue. Anyone who says anything different is either trying to sell something or has bought what’s being sold.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
Blackghost I know your feeling picked on because of your age but really the point is you have a different perspective at different points in your life. Obviously you don’t have the same perspective now as you did when you were 10 right? It’s just natural that as you life and learn for different experiences your knowledge and understanding grows. I know it sounds insulting but it’s not meant to be.

Just think of it this way- someone in the forth year of medical school knows considerable more about being a doctor then the did when they were in their first year. I know more about raising kids now that more daughter is 10 years old than when she was 10 months. And I know more about sexual intimacy now then I did when I was 23.

You were born the year my husband graduated highschool and I gaurantee that year my husband thought sex was the center of the universe. I knew him then so trust me on that one. Sex is great in a loving marraige relationship - I definately enjoy that aspect of marriage but that being said there is so much more to life then that. I know sex is portrayed everywhere as the only way to have a healthy normal existance and you’ll go mentally insane without it but that really is a skewed perspective on life.

Right now one of the fasted spreading stds out there that is not protected by a condom. It’s called HPV and it’s causing deadly cervical cancer in young woman as early as 19 years old. All that is needed to spead it is skin on skin contact in the general area. The best and really only fool proof protection against std’s is to wait until you’re in a life long marriage relationship.

For those that have untreatable std’s from past mistakes and/or poor judgement it is a cross to bear. But there are all kinds of crosses out there and people still lead happy fulfilled lives depite that. If you find truly happy fulfilled people and ask them why they think they are that way I would bet you they would say it’s about faith, family and friends.

BG- I am 33 years old. I married my hubby at 18, he has a factory job and we live very modestly, driving two old cars -one is almost as old as you. I have progressive heart defect. We have one child and I can not have more because another pregnancy would kill me. And I will need a heart transplant in a few years. When your own mortality is before your eyes you realize what it truly important in life. I have a beautiful, happy little girl, fantastic friends and a husband who adores me (and I him) and that is what a fulfilled life is about.
 
Let’s not be too hard on BlackGhost. Schools and the media go to great lengths to make teenagers believe as he does. 10 years ago, when I was in high school, the doctrine that “it’s impossible to have a fulfilling life without sex” was already the accepted norm, and it’s only worse today. Don’t attack the young people who are enslaved by this false belief; just make them aware there is an alternative. JMHO.
 
Bruised Reed:
I was specifically referring to the non-contagious part as I was of the understanding that that there was no such thing.

The link you provided discussed herpes and HPV. Both are still considered contagious even if the infected person isn’t experiencing an outbreak. From the link: Even commercials for herpes treatment are (finally) acknowledging this fact.
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True, there is still a risk, but within a marriage and with treatment, the risk is minimal. Even if the STD did get passed, herpes is not fatal and it’s not like it would be passed on to anyone else since the partners are monogamous.

I guess all I’m saying is people with herpes or HPV aren’t necessarily forbidden from marriage and/or having children since artificial birth control isn’t necessary to protect the other partner, so long as the other partner knows what he/she is getting into. It’s tricky and would require close medical supervision during a pregnancy (if the woman has it), but manageable.
 
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