I have concluded that converts. . .

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. . … . make the best rcia instructors.

I have read so many horror stories about rcia programs run by cradle Catholics.

I would like to implement this policy immediately. Any objections?
As an RCIA Candidate, I have already informed my RCIA Facilitators that I would be THRILLED to help out after my Confirmation at the upcoming Easter Vigil.

Of course, this Confirmation at the Easter Vigil is not the way the US Council of Bishops wants candidates confirmed. I have told the Facilitators that I would be glad to sponser a candidate who does not need the Catecuman version of RCIA. Who can, after a few talks with the Priest, and some simple points to clear, be confirmed at any Sunday Mass outside the Easter Vigil.

The way I should have been confirmed last October.

No reply yet from the RCIA Facilitators. Well, maybe after I am confirmed?
 
Strong, faithful cradle Catholics are the best.
They are certainly an asset. But I can say that yes, having the protestant perspective at hand when teaching the Catholic faith is certainly desireable. Someone who’s been there, done that, and knows why it’s flawed, you know? I had the best of both worlds, I’d like to think. I came from a mixed family of conservative Baptists and very conservative Sicilian Catholics.😃
 
Me, I have concluded that converts have a greatly exaggerated opinion of their knowledge. It’s like any other subject, coming out of school or training qualifies you to make the office coffee, until you learn how it works in the real world.

Learning the difference between theory and practice can save you a lot of trouble in life.

But, I would also submit that even using terms like “cradle catholic” shows that you have not understood what Catholicism is all about.
 
Perhaps the problem is generalization on both sides here, but I don’t quite understand where you’re going with “real world” Catholicism. Do you mean the application of Catholic morals or practices of piety?

As far as the Sacred Scripture is concerned, most protestant converts I know DO have much more familiarity. When you spend an hour to and hour and a half in Sunday school every week for 17 years or so, you can’t help but be familiar with the Bible. Of course, that doesn’t authorize personal interpretation but still, you get a good feel for the Scriptures.

Also, I’d point out I never HEARD the term cradle Catholic until I heard it used by “cradle” Catholics to distinguish themselves from converts. Quite honestly, much of the time I hear it used, it almost comes across as a snobbish way to differentiate. I never, ever remember someone calling a new member from another Christian faith a “convert” when I was a Baptist. You were just…a Baptist.
 
I think a mixture would be fine. I’m a cradle Catholic but for me that was it. I was never catechized. The Holy Spirit moved me toward the Lords Church when I was in my mid thirties.

I know teach RCIA classes at my Parish and next year I’m thinking of going on post (Fort Hood) and help with the RCIA program.

I’ve learned from EWTN and Catholic Answers but the converts’ wow, Dr. Scott and Kimberly Hahn, Jeff Cavins, Steve Ray, Jimmy Akin, Patrick Madrid, Fr. Kenneth Baker S.J. and others. I’ve learned so much from them.
Also, I’d point out I never HEARD the term cradle Catholic until I heard it used by “cradle” Catholics to distinguish themselves from converts. Quite honestly, much of the time I hear it used, it almost comes across as a snobbish way to differentiate. I never, ever remember someone calling a new member from another Christian faith a “convert” when I was a Baptist. You were just…a Baptist.
Cradle Catholic just means you were born in a Catholic household and baptized well for myself three weeks after I was born. I didn’t do Catholics any favors because I told people I was a Roman Catholic but in my younger days I was in lust with the world and was never taught anything about the Church. Catholics don’t mean to be snobbish when they use that term.
 
No I know what the term means and I know most of the time it’s not meant to be used in a mean fashion but…I have heard people use it in ways I thought inappropriate. Just the fact that such a big deal is made about it…

Myself, I’m proud of the label but I can see how some of my fellow new Catholics could be put off by it.

As for my own RCIA team, all “cradle” except for myself (ex Baptist) and a convert from Judaism.
 
They are certainly an asset. But I can say that yes, having the protestant perspective at hand when teaching the Catholic faith is certainly desireable. Someone who’s been there, done that, and knows why it’s flawed, you know? I had the best of both worlds, I’d like to think. I came from a mixed family of conservative Baptists and very conservative Sicilian Catholics.😃
Do not agree, but respect your view. 🙂
 
First, it’s false to claim that the term “cradle Catholic” is not most often used in a pejorative way in these forums.
most protestant converts I know DO have much more familiarity
Not so. What they have is a familiarity with quoting words from the Bible, not with anything else. The Bible is only one half of what Catholicism is about. It’s not unimportant, but it’s not everything, as it is to Protestants.

I find that many former Protestants remain Protestants in their way of thinking. All they do is adopt Catholic linguo as they go about it. They remain Protestants in Catholic clothing, and this is why they are so hung up about what people wear, whether they are carrying a water bottle into church, etc. They are often more concerned with the doing rather than with the thinking, and this is precisely why they may not be good choices as RCIA teachers.
 
No I know what the term means and I know most of the time it’s not meant to be used in a mean fashion but…I have heard people use it in ways I thought inappropriate. Just the fact that such a big deal is made about it…

Myself, I’m proud of the label but I can see how some of my fellow new Catholics could be put off by it.

As for my own RCIA team, all “cradle” except for myself (ex Baptist) and a convert from Judaism.
To be honest I’ve never used the term Cradle Catholic in a conversation except on this thread.:whacky:
As for my own RCIA team, all “cradle” except for myself (ex Baptist) and a convert from Judaism.
I’ve found that converts come in with new eyes and welcome home.:amen:
 
First, it’s false to claim that the term “cradle Catholic” is not most often used in a pejorative way in these forums.
I don’t believe I said anything the pejorative use of the term “cradle Catholic” on this forum. But one can make a case that many (not all, of course, but many) in the rank and file “cradle Catholic” laeity (through catechesis that has often been described by none other than members of the magesterium as lacking) do not understand some of the basic tenents of Christianity, much less what makes Catholicism different and special.
Not so. What they have is a familiarity with quoting words from the Bible, not with anything else. The Bible is only one half of what Catholicism is about. It’s not unimportant, but it’s not everything, as it is to Protestants.
Now, of course, I am not implying that the rank and file of any denomination are head and shoulders above any other, but, there are many protestant denominations that do place a great deal of emphasis on bible study-although current trends may be indicating a shift away from this. It’s easy to setup the strawman argument to say they are just getting a “familiarity with quoting words from the Bible, not with anything else.” But there is some intense bible study that goes on in SOME protestant churches. Are they ultimately putting a Calvinist-influenced spin on things? Yes. The don’t have the wisdom of Tradition to frame their knowledge. But to say they don’t “know” the Bible is doing them a great injustice and it’s simply untrue.

This satire illustrates my point: crisismagazine.com/enquirer.htm
I find that many former Protestants remain Protestants in their way of thinking. All they do is adopt Catholic linguo as they go about it. They remain Protestants in Catholic clothing…
As to the original question, I think “converts” are needed in many instances because it has been, in MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, that many inquirers/catechumens/candidates who actually take serious the conversion process want to get their personal protestant-formed issues with Catholicism settled. A number of times, whenever we’ve had a one of our deacons or priests give the weekly presentation, I’ve been in the situation where I’ve had to sort of act as an intermediary and expound on how the theology just discussed is different or similar to what they may have learned as a protestant. Given the fact that in this overwhelmingly Baptist-dominated area many of our converts are Baptist, it helps.
…and this is why they are so hung up about what people wear, whether they are carrying a water bottle into church, etc. They are often more concerned with the doing rather than with the thinking, and this is precisely why they may not be good choices as RCIA teachers.
As far as saying it’s converts to blame for nitpicking, yes, I can say that some of us are overzealous. But you can’t pile it all on us as you have many “cradle” traditionalists and others (many on here, actually) who are concerned all the little changes add up to make a big difference.

By and large, I think what puzzles and concerns many converts is that they encounter so many actions in their new local churches that seem counter to what they have just may have learned or been taught in RCIA comprise Catholic views of theology. Arguing over who’s holding hands when is one thing. But when some of us hear some of our “cradle” friends poo pooing the Real Presence, Mary, or other key issues, we get thrown for a loop. In my experience, it hasn’t been protestants who have put a protestant spin on Catholic teaching, it’s been Catholics trying to conceed too much and soften teachings to make them more palitable.

Your experience may be different, but that’s been mine.😉
 
. . … . make the best rcia instructors.

I have read so many horror stories about rcia programs run by cradle Catholics.

I would like to implement this policy immediately. Any objections?
Actually that would probably most likely be true, But I on the other hand have Fr. Saunders Teaching us RCIA and he is quiet the teacher and very good at explaining alot of the issues to us Candidates for Confimation… and he is very funny to boot… Blessings to you my friend. 66 Days and Counting to Home in Rome…👍 😉 :dancing:
 
It’s always a positive to have a good, faithful priest. Don’t let me give the impression I think converts should be the only people involved. I just think they are an asset. When I joined the “team” I was repeatedly quizzed as to what I thought worked for me. As a result, nothing changed substance-wise in our RCIA program BUT the ordering of some of the presentations was switched, giving inquirers a chance to learn Catholic doctrine and dogma on key issues.
 
I think the attitude of “cradle Catholics only” is just plain silly. There are plenty of cradle Catholics who know less about their own religion, practically, theoretically or any other way than many converts. There are also many converts who would make terrible instructors. It’s not about how long you’ve been a Catholic for or what your parentage was… it’s about where you are in your life in terms of Christ, Period. There are plenty of convert PRIESTS – are we saying that they shouldn’t be able to be RCIA instructors? That attitude is just being exclusionary for no reason at all.

Absolutely a mix can be great in terms of RCIA instructors – but your religious background is NOT what it all comes down to – once you’ve found Christ, accepted Him and have made the conscious decision to become a part of His Church, that’s it. You’re part of the family.
 
Exactly. I hope you all never let that attitude slip in RCIA. But then again, if converts are always going to be somehow inferior, why have RCIA?
 
. . … . make the best rcia instructors.

I have read so many horror stories about rcia programs run by cradle Catholics.

I would like to implement this policy immediately. Any objections?
I would LOVE to run my RCIA program, as a convert I think I understand where they’d be coming from… but if they asked me what anything in Latin meant I’d be stuck! I think Cradle Catholics have MUCH to offer as well. 👍
Team teach it and you’ll be unbeatable and enrich the lives of every one that you teach! 👍
 
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