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The Baptists never claimed that John the Baptist founded their church. He’s baffled as to why a Baptist would claim that.Allschalmers claims your religion is from John the Baptist and not Christ…**Did you wake up?**
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fbl9
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you might be surprised as to how many baptists do beleive that St.John the baptist founded their church…it has something to do with how they attempt to trace their roots back to the times of Christ.
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ChristianKnight
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I got a question.
How come so many Catholics seem to know so much about Baptists, but I (a baptist for about 2 years+) don’t know any of it? I am honestly, thinking 2 things atm:
Either they are very smart.
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They are very arrogant.
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fbl9
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this is something i have read on some baptists site in their attempt to trace their roots back to the time of ?Christ,not all but there are some and when i first heard that St.John the bapist founded the baptist church,was when i was about your age ck.have you checked out a site called baptolic?it will give you a greater appreciation of your faith.
if your conclusion is directed towards me i would bet you would be leaning heavily on arrogant.
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BrianH
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It sounds like some people are attempting to generalize what Baptists do or do not think based upon a few internet sites or isolated people they have met.
For the record, having lived in Texas for 15 years, 10 years in a Southern Baptist Church, and attending a Bible Baptist high school…nobody ever said that. Never heard it once.
Now, as a Methodist, I HAVE heard Methodists say that Baptists believe that…
I am sure some do but Baptists are a diverse group and these generalizations based upon rumor are no different than saying that Catholics worship Mary…IMO
For the record, having lived in Texas for 15 years, 10 years in a Southern Baptist Church, and attending a Bible Baptist high school…nobody ever said that. Never heard it once.
Now, as a Methodist, I HAVE heard Methodists say that Baptists believe that…
I am sure some do but Baptists are a diverse group and these generalizations based upon rumor are no different than saying that Catholics worship Mary…IMO
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ChristianKnight
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That doesn’t make us all wanting that. I don’t trace my roots back to anything. I am me, I do not have to be descended from a king to be great. My ancestors were slave owners, that doesn’t make me a bad person, just means they were led by a false ideology of human ownership.this is something i have read on some baptists site in their attempt to trace their roots back to the time of ?Christ,not all but there are some and when i first heard that St.John the bapist founded the baptist church,was when i was about your age ck.have you checked out a site called baptolic?it will give you a greater appreciation of your faith.
if your conclusion is directed towards me i would bet you would be leaning heavily on arrogant.
On that I am arrogant or you are?
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WindowsLM
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From wikipedia, Both Roger Williams and his compatriot in working for religious freedom, Dr. John Clarke, are variously credited as founding the earliest Baptist church in America. In 1639, Williams established a Baptist church in Providence, Rhode Island, and Clarke began a Baptist church in Newport, Rhode Island. According to a Baptist historian who has researched the matter extensively, “There is much debate over the centuries as to whether the Providence or Newport church deserved the place of ‘first’ Baptist congregation in America. Exact records for both congregations are lacking.”PM me what your talking about, in detail please. I am kinda
Click me for a different theory
Back on topic, I am in the process of becoming Catholic and I firmly believe in all the teachings. My friend is Catholic and she is a member a non-traditional church, and she finds a lot of things she chooses not to believe about the religion.
From what I’m learning you are either all or none, you can’t pick out parts you don’t believe in, like contraceptives are good, or that Mary didn’t have a pain-free child birth, etc.
I am 100% certain in my faith and my new-found religion.
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I want to note that I put in the part about contraceptives and Mary to make a point about Catholic beliefs. I had no intention of causing an argument or offending anyone, if I did then I apologize sincerely and will request my post be edited.
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OneTrueCathApos
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Hi Windows
Congratulations on your journey home to Rome. You were guided by the Holy spirit into the one true church of Christ.
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metcim
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Welcome as well Windows, I put this in your thread too, but I thought twice couldn’t hurt 
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RubyT
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I have absolutely no doubts that God exist as the Trinity. On two occasions I have had personal experiences from God that removed any doubts. These experiences were verified by my priest.
Those of you with doubts should keep praying. Pray the Rosary. Pray to God, ask Him to help build up your faith. You do this in ernest with love and belief in Jesus and you will find that God does respond. It may take some time but don’t give up just keep praying for stronger faith.
As for the RCC I became Catholic as a child. I researched other denominations as an adult. After review I found nothing in those other denominations that measured up to RCC. I realized that the RCC is where God placed me and where He wants me to be.
I trust God to put me where I need to be at all times. I travel to distant places for my job and spend several months in one place and then move on. Sometimes I go to places I would not personally choose, it amazes me how those are the places that I find God has a purpose for me. God is very real and His will is being fulfilled through us; I have no doubt. Nada zip, zilch.
God Bless you all and Merry Christmas
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Those of you with doubts should keep praying. Pray the Rosary. Pray to God, ask Him to help build up your faith. You do this in ernest with love and belief in Jesus and you will find that God does respond. It may take some time but don’t give up just keep praying for stronger faith.
As for the RCC I became Catholic as a child. I researched other denominations as an adult. After review I found nothing in those other denominations that measured up to RCC. I realized that the RCC is where God placed me and where He wants me to be.
I trust God to put me where I need to be at all times. I travel to distant places for my job and spend several months in one place and then move on. Sometimes I go to places I would not personally choose, it amazes me how those are the places that I find God has a purpose for me. God is very real and His will is being fulfilled through us; I have no doubt. Nada zip, zilch.
God Bless you all and Merry Christmas
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script77
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He does care about you, about all of us. Don’t let the Devil allow you believe that you are beyond forgiveness. We all fall short of His Glory, but if we call onto Him in all sincerelty, He will lift us up, as long as we realise that it is He who does it by His Love & Grace. Don’t ever think yourself condemned. God is never too far from us.
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RubyT
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RubyT
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This saddens me. God loves you so very much. We are all sinners, we are all unworthy, you are no different my friend. Still God loves YOU very deeply, more than our mortal minds can possibly know. God put His Son through so much suffering for you and all of us; keep this in mind when these doubts enter your mind. Be well my friend for God does love you.
[SIGN]GOD IS LOVE[/SIGN]
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RubyT
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O.S. with much respect I say people who have no doubts are not boasting, they simply have no doubts. You seem to hold that having no doubts is a prerequisite to feeling sorry for those that do have doubts. This is not true for me, I have no doubts whatsoever but I also realize that we are all at different points on the path of salvation. There is nothing wrong with doubts and nothing wrong with having no doubts.
You seem to associate your opinion with your experiences and that is a good and valid thing. Please know that I am associating my opinion from my experiences. You don’t know all the horrible things which have happened to me in my life and yet I have no doubts now, that is not to say I didn’t once have them. I am not boasting just telling my truth, that I have no doubts. Why would you consider that boasting?
Be well my friend.
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ChristianKnight
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I don’t really care about who founded the Baptist Church. The only reason I am Baptist is cause I go to a Baptist church.
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Beachcomber
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Yeah, I have doubts; but doubts can also lead to more knowledge because I am studying and praying about them. God uses doubts to draw a person closer to Him, if only they respond.
Also, I thought that the Baptists were called that because of their belief in adult baptism and not because John the Baptizer founded the church.
Also, I thought that the Baptists were called that because of their belief in adult baptism and not because John the Baptizer founded the church.
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ChristianKnight
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LOL, I don’t think you get his statement. Just to let you know, he didn’t establish the church, he was just messing with you guys, and you guys still believed his statement.
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Tantum_ergo
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Ummm, actually you know people were questioning his statement, people were refuting his statement, and people were saying, “Man, do they really believe that” and “I always wondered if they believed that and here is a man who says he is and they do.”
I find it rather offputting that you could be so quick to claim this as 'just messing with you guys" (or girls in my case), and to basically chortle at how ‘gullible’ some people were for believing.
Tell me, my friend, are you in the habit of disbelieving people as a matter of course? Most of us here give people the benefit of the doubt until/unless they themselves prove they are not trustworthy. And not all of us have been here since the Forum inception. There are members of CAF who have been here as long as I whom I have never ‘met’ on-line as I’ve never happened to be on, or view, a forum where they posted. . .and vice versa. Just because you may happen to ‘know’ all about what sweet Allis Ben Bolt was pulling, doesn’t mean everybody else was privy to that feat of mindreading. That’s why we usually put in an emoticon if we’re trying to be sarcastic so that we don’t come across as truly ‘meaning’ what we say.
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Gottle_of_Geer
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The point made is a true one: Church teaching has to be accepted in its entirety. Anything not explicitly accepted, is reckoned to be implicitly accepted. So, if Vatican 5 in 2500 defines that aliens are related to the Church (which may happen, provided aliens exist ), that counts as being implicit in the deposit of faith of faith from the very beginning: to be defined, it has to be in the DoF, much as the oak is in the acorn.
The specific points chosen don’t illustrate your meaning 
In 2500, the painlessness of the Child-Bearing for the BVM may be dogmatised - at present, it is only something called a “pious belief”. It is not part of authentic Church teaching - though it’s not impossible it may be discerned as part of it. That contraception is absolutely forbidden to Christians, OTOH, makes your point perfectly The thing having to be accepted, is the AuCaTe - whether or not it is taught infallibly. People confuse- the authority of the obligation arising from the exercise of infallibility
with - the authority of the obligation arising from the character of what is taught.
Authentic Catholic Teaching can oblige our consciences to receive it as what is said to be, without being infallible. Most of Vatican II’s teaching is of this second kind. It is completely wrong to think that only infallible stuff is to be received as obliging us to accept it. So it is irrelevant to our duty as believers - though not to apologetics & history - whether teaching X is infallible: we should be asking whether teaching X is what the Church’s Authority wants the Christ’s faithful to believe as authentic teaching. If more people realised this, there would be far less rejection of Vatican 2. Not all the teaching in the CCC is infallibly true - but all the the teaching in the CCC is AuCaTe.
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