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willymonfrete
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Im from the Netherlands but I grew up half my life in the states because my mother is american,anyway the difference between catholicism here and there is like night and day,I got to talking at a shisha lounge with a guy who says hes a religious catholic,but when we started talking about homosexuality things went south.I said to him :we should have Agape for homosexuals,but homosexuality is a mortal sin,and though its a mortal sin,it isn’‘t worse than masturbation or fornication’'he got really angry at this and said if I had a kid that was gay wouldn’t you support him?I said I would love him/her but I’d warn them its a sin that destroys your relationship with God and sends you to hell if you die without repentance.he started calling me Brainwashed.
we got to talking about finding a catholic spouse in this country,I said I don’t Think I will ever find a Catholic spouse in this country because all the people at mass are senior citizens,already married or children.and that the few unicorn catholic women my age do not actively seek husbands anyway,its not like you can just go up to them after mass and ask them on a date.he told me it shouldn’t matter and that I should just find a atheist woman and fornicate with her.I told him I do not believe in fornication and that I could easily take a trip to say poland to find a catholic wife but the problem is most fornicate before marriage and thats simpely off the cards for me.he said I was misconstruing Jesus words and that fornication isn’t wrong.I told him with all respect and charity to you,but this is why I am in despair of ever finding a catholic wife in the netherlands,the few hard to find catholics here think like you and are cafeteria catholics(I didn’t say it in those exact words but thats the gist of what I said,remember the convo is in dutch)and I want a religious partner who atleast believes the bible,all of it,is the word of the Holy Spirit,doesnt use contraception and respects the sanctity of marriage.he upon that point almost got violent and said I belong in a mental hospital.he said the ‘‘bible has many contradictions stop reading everything it says and taking it so seriousely’’.
he got really angry and told me a story of how he shot someone in the head when he was a cop and he is not sorry for it.I said you should repent for it.he then yelled at me and said I dont need to repent anything and God approves of what I did because the guy was a klootzak(means something really foul in dutch).
he start saying other things in the convo about how people that go to church all the time are hypocrites and do this and that and he said 80% of popes had many women and were bad people.I said we certainely have had bad popes in the past but we also had many reconized saints among them.and he said no the church has always been corrupt etc
if this is the face of a religious catholic in this country I seriousely do not want to live here or raise morally upright catholic children here,I only stay because of the good social safety net and infrastructure.
Keep in mind I’m no Traditionalist but accepting 100% of what the church dogmatically defines is considered lunacy here,even among people who call themselves christians!
I told him that I wasn’t always religious and had dated a Jewish woman and a muslim woman and fornicated with them,upon that he said then its oke for me to keep doing it why change?I said back then I was a atheist/agnostic but now I made the choice to follow Christ 100%.I said I do not claim to be a holy person ,he told me I should go to a mental hospital or lock myself up in a monastery,I said I could never be a monk as I know I need sex or I will fall into sin,he said I will never find happiness as long as I keep reading the bible ‘‘so literally’’.
we got to talking about finding a catholic spouse in this country,I said I don’t Think I will ever find a Catholic spouse in this country because all the people at mass are senior citizens,already married or children.and that the few unicorn catholic women my age do not actively seek husbands anyway,its not like you can just go up to them after mass and ask them on a date.he told me it shouldn’t matter and that I should just find a atheist woman and fornicate with her.I told him I do not believe in fornication and that I could easily take a trip to say poland to find a catholic wife but the problem is most fornicate before marriage and thats simpely off the cards for me.he said I was misconstruing Jesus words and that fornication isn’t wrong.I told him with all respect and charity to you,but this is why I am in despair of ever finding a catholic wife in the netherlands,the few hard to find catholics here think like you and are cafeteria catholics(I didn’t say it in those exact words but thats the gist of what I said,remember the convo is in dutch)and I want a religious partner who atleast believes the bible,all of it,is the word of the Holy Spirit,doesnt use contraception and respects the sanctity of marriage.he upon that point almost got violent and said I belong in a mental hospital.he said the ‘‘bible has many contradictions stop reading everything it says and taking it so seriousely’’.
he got really angry and told me a story of how he shot someone in the head when he was a cop and he is not sorry for it.I said you should repent for it.he then yelled at me and said I dont need to repent anything and God approves of what I did because the guy was a klootzak(means something really foul in dutch).
he start saying other things in the convo about how people that go to church all the time are hypocrites and do this and that and he said 80% of popes had many women and were bad people.I said we certainely have had bad popes in the past but we also had many reconized saints among them.and he said no the church has always been corrupt etc
if this is the face of a religious catholic in this country I seriousely do not want to live here or raise morally upright catholic children here,I only stay because of the good social safety net and infrastructure.
Keep in mind I’m no Traditionalist but accepting 100% of what the church dogmatically defines is considered lunacy here,even among people who call themselves christians!
I told him that I wasn’t always religious and had dated a Jewish woman and a muslim woman and fornicated with them,upon that he said then its oke for me to keep doing it why change?I said back then I was a atheist/agnostic but now I made the choice to follow Christ 100%.I said I do not claim to be a holy person ,he told me I should go to a mental hospital or lock myself up in a monastery,I said I could never be a monk as I know I need sex or I will fall into sin,he said I will never find happiness as long as I keep reading the bible ‘‘so literally’’.