I Know Why I Hate Everything

[ready]

Dear Trishie, you are not saying that we shouldn’t hate sin, the greatest evil in the world, are you? Your’re not saying that we shouldn’t hate bigoty, rape, murder, theft, and all the other sins that are a violation to God and man are you? It is very right to hate sin and the devil - not wrong. In the Bible Jesus even says we should hate our parents, though he is not referring to the same kind of hatred I speak of here. In the Bible it even says that God hates the wicked, though I know he loves every one of us. Even in Ecclesiasticus it says that “there is a time for hate.” You should speak with a holy priest about this so he can help you to understand that it is the teaching of the Catholic Church that we should hate sin. Even in out Act of Contrition we say “and I detest all my sins”- Detest means hate.

 

[Trishie]

Ready I don’t hate. That seems like giving power to those things. It isn’t the perspective I come from. I don’t personify sin by hating it. Why should I give the devil time and space by hating him. Isn’t it better to fix on God’s love and goodness and power. It doesn’t mean I’m not aware, but I’m grieved by the evil things. I feel great pain about the bad things people do to each other, and pain at the things that are wrong, the growing de-Christianization, the troubles in the Church, natural disasters. They hurt terribly, but hate isn’t the language. I feel longing for God’s power to overcome evil, through our efforts and prayers, and by His loving action.

I’m sorry this is just what is true of me. Maybe it’s wrong but it’s how things are. I was always this way, even as a little girl. I do so want God’s love to prevail in this world, in people’s lives. This site, I don’t come here because I need to or want to myself, but only because occasionally, judging by various PMs I’m able to help someone a bit, or make them feel less alone, or just say the thing that helps them to a more wholesome direction. I make mistakes, and when I say things that are realistic but that people mightn’t like, I hold my breath that I’ve not just hurt them. It hurts me terribly if I hurt anyone.

Emotional and mental pain is my response to bad things, not hate. And in my practical life, I’m a peacemaker, I negotiate for the good and reconciliation of others, because I feel for everyone, and see everyone’s point of view to whatever extent I can, but do try hard for the outcome that is good and in tune with loving and away from what harms soul or heart if I can. I try to help and feel such yearning. I feel pained I can’t help people, that people who come in in desperate emotional, spiritual, and financial situations, I can hardly bear it sometimes, because I want so much to help.
I hope I don’t disillusion you, but we are what we are I guess. I pray against all the bad things, and have to trust in God to a large extent. I do what I can for good, but it’s never enough. Much depends on God, and much also depends on the free will of others.

Should I feel bad about the way I am? I don’t think I can be any other way. Judging by your next comment in the post following this I see I am judged, but I cannot focus on hating, so will leave that to better people than me. God bless

 

[ready]

Dear Trishie,

Tonight’s evening prayer reading of the Divine Office is taken from Roman’s 12:9-12. The first two lines say:

“Your love must be sincere. Detest what is evil, cling to what is good.”

If you look up the word detest in the dictionary it means the same thing as hate. Don’t you see, it is even written in the Bible that we should hate what is evil - and I’m sure it says this in more than one place.

 

[humble_catholic]

Hello Flavius, I would like to talk to you by email or yahoo chat.Mods can I post my yahoo chat screen name here or not?

Guys why was Flavius banned
How can I contact him now?

Flavius, my yahoo chat screen name is the same as this one, please add me bro

 

[nuntym]

+JMJ+

Fr. John Zuhlsdorf of WDTPRS fame posted the following excerpt, and it is CERTAINLY on topic. It is from one of the sermons by St. John Chrysostom, whose feast incidentally is today:

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2011/09/st-john-chrysostom-with-some-unusual-advice/:

Paul is not ashamed, and does not blush, after the many and great signs which he had displayed even by a simple word; yet, in writing to Timothy, to bid him take refuge in the healing virtue of wine drinking. Not that to drink wine is shameful. God forbid! For such precepts belong to heretics; …] For [Paul] does not simply say, “use a little wine;” but having said before, “drink no longer water,” he then brings forward his counsel as to the drinking of wine. And this expression “no longer” was a manifest proof, that till then he had drunk water, and on that account was become infirm. But since our discourse has now turned to the subject of blasphemy, I desire to ask one favor of you all, in return for this my address, and speaking with you; which is, that you will correct on my behalf the blasphemers of this city **. And should you hear any one in the public thoroughfare, or in the midst of the forum, blaspheming God; go up to him and rebuke him; and should it be necessary to inflict blows, spare not to do so. Smite him on the face; strike his mouth; sanctify your hand with the blow, and if any should accuse you, and drag you to the place of justice, follow them thither; and when the judge on the bench calls you to account, say boldly that the man blasphemed the King of angels! For if it be necessary to punish those who blaspheme an earthly king, much more so those who insult God.

Homilies on the Statues 1,7

Now how’s THAT for Holy Hate!

I also distinctly remember accounts of St. Nicholas (of Santa Claus fame) socking Arius right in the kisser…in front of all the bishops from around the known world and the Emperor of Rome himself during the Council of Nicaea.

Heck there is even iconography about that!

nicholas-punches-arius.jpg (image)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/120/317163508_fea2ea9f01_o.jpg

Legend tells us that, shocked by what happened, Constantine and the bishops immediately divested him of his symbols of office: his copy of the Gospels and his episcopal pallium. He was then brought into a holding cell.

While there, a miracle happened: Jesus Christ and the Blessed Virgin appeared before the former bishop. Jesus asked, “Why are you here?” And St. Nicholas said, and please take note of this: "Because I love you, my Lord and my God."

Upon hearing this, Jesus then gave him back his copy of the Gospels, and the Virgin his pallium. And upon hearing about this, good ol’ Saint Nick was reinstated as a bishop in good standing, enough time to condemn Arius and his heresy of Arianism during the Council of Nicaea.

So again, to love, it is necessary to hate. And to hate, it is necessary to love.

God love you.

 

[ready]

Good advise taken from Imitation of Christ Book 1 Chapter 1:

Vanity of vanities, all is vanity, unless you serve God and love Him with your whole heart. (Eccles 1:2). The greatest wisdom of all is to seek the kingdom of heaven by despising the things of this world.

 

[nuntym]

+JMJ+

Love Is Not Tolerance
Bishop Fulton J. Sheen

Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it.

It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin.

The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth.

It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind.

The sinner it will always take back into the bosom of the Mystical Body;
but his lie will never be taken into the treasury of His Wisdom.

Real love involves real hatred:
whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples
has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth.

Charity, then, is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”;
it is not a species of sloppy sentiment.

Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God,
which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

And if it is not good, then why can we feel it, Trishie? Does God make anything bad or evil?

Interesting question. If God didn’t make hate, then who did? Does satan have the power to create? I’m just asking here; I really don’t know.

The whole passage reads:

But I say, walk by the Spirit, and do not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh; for these are opposed to each other, to prevent you from doing what you would. But if you are led by the Spirit you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like.** I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. **But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such there is no law. Galatians 5:16-23

So where does it say that to hate sin and evil is a work of the flesh, Trishie? Indeed, I hate each and every one of those things that St. Paul listed as works of the flesh. In my personal experience, I have all of the Fruit of the Holy Spirit when I maintain that hatred, and lose that Fruit when I sin (that is, I come to love sin).

Where does it say that avoiding those things equates to harboring hatred?

And how could one love others if he could not hate the state of evil they are in, if he could not hate the fact that the people he loves are hungry, thirsty, strangers in a strange land, naked, sick, in prison?

To me, “hate the fact” is another way of saying you wish it weren’t so. From a spiritual and emotional standpoint what I call true hatred, insofar as it represents intentional holding or allowing our hearts to seethe with anger and rage against something or someone, is something I avoid except for a little slip once in a while … and that’s like :banghead: because it feels so good when it stops.

That is why I hate judging people, and thus do not do it.

I like that.

Let me reiterate: when you love something, you automatically hate something else; when you hate something, you automatically love something else. That is pure Thomasian theology, Trishie.

Interesting point. However, the hatred could easily be against the same thing you love, but in the past. If we never hated our enemies we wouldn’t understand the fullness of loving them now. Just because I love someone now, though, doesn’t imply I have to find somebody else to go hate in order for that to happen. The love can be in the present while the hatred is in the past, no?

Even in out Act of Contrition we say “and I detest all my sins”- Detest means hate.

Honestly I’m a little uneasy with some of the wording of the Act of Contrition. I see this as a statement of a desire to avoid sin, not as an emotional condition involving anger, which is what I think of when I hear the word “hate.” If you want to use “hate” that way, then our disagreements may just be word usage and not spiritually material.

For myself, I don’t like to say I “detest” my sins (except when required to by protocol, to avoid scandal) because to me that connotes that I give emotional power to those sins. Further, I think the wording as to why we detest those sins is clumsy to the point of being unhealthy. It’s as if fear and dread are primary, and love of God is an afterthought even though the words “but most of all” are sprinkled in. That’s one reason I don’t think it’s necessarily a Good Thing to insist on adherence to ancient ways of putting certain prayers into words.

Ready I don’t hate. That seems like giving power to those things. It isn’t the perspective I come from. I don’t personify sin by hating it. Why should I give the devil time and space by hating him.

I’m with you on this.

They hurt terribly, but hate isn’t the language. I feel longing for God’s power to overcome evil, through our efforts and prayers, and by His loving action.

Yes.

So again, to love, it is necessary to hate. And to hate, it is necessary to love.

God love you.

I don’t know that it is exactly necessary to hate in order to love, but I can see from a dualistic perspective (not saying dualism is bad, but it is incomplete) that one may not be able to fully understand or appreciate love unless that person has experienced hate.

But that isn’t to say that we should or must hate, or that we should strive to keep hatred alive so that we don’t forget what love is.

ready mentioned that Ecclesiastes says there is “a time to hate.” I’d say there is a time to hate, but preferably it is in the past, as it is an artifact of the false self that we are to shed in order to let God renew us and put on our new selves. If we took this to mean “there are times when you should intentionally strive to hate,” then we would also say that we should intentionally strive to: make war, die, uproot, and kill. I’m not sure that’s what the author meant to convey by his verbiage.

Alan

 

[ready]

+JMJ+

Love Is Not Tolerance
Bishop Fulton J. Sheen

Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it.

It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin.

The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth.

It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind.

The sinner it will always take back into the bosom of the Mystical Body;
but his lie will never be taken into the treasury of His Wisdom.

Real love involves real hatred:
whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples
has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth.

Charity, then, is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”;
it is not a species of sloppy sentiment.

Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God,
which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly.

Great wisdom! Yes, “Christian love forgives the sinner and hates the sin.” " It is not a mild philosphy of ‘live and let live’ or a “species of sloppy sentiment.” It is indeed “the infusion of the Spirit of God, which makes us love the beautiful and hate the ]morally ugly.” There is smothing seriously wrong when a person does not hate that which is morally evil: his sins and all falsehood.

 

[ready]

"Originally Posted by nuntym
+JMJ+

Love Is Not Tolerance
Bishop Fulton J. Sheen

Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it.

It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin.

The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth.

It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind.

The sinner it will always take back into the bosom of the Mystical Body;
but his lie will never be taken into the treasury of His Wisdom.

Real love involves real hatred:
whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples
has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth.

Charity, then, is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”;
it is not a species of sloppy sentiment.

Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God,
which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly."

Great wisdom! Yes, “Christian love forgives the sinner and hates the sin.” " It is not a mild philosphy of ‘live and let live’ or a “species of sloppy sentiment.” It is indeed “the infusion of the Spirit of God, which makes us love the beautiful and hate the ]morally ugly.” (emphasis mine) There is something seriously wrong when a person does not hate that which is morally evil: his/her sins. Nobody here is advocating hating people - that would be a sin. It is sins and the devil alone that should be hated, as sins crucify our Savior all over again each time we commit them. They are truly detestable to anyone with a good well-formed conscience.

 

[nuntym]

+JMJ+

Interesting question. If God didn’t make hate, then who did? Does satan have the power to create? I’m just asking here; I really don’t know.

Satan only has the power to lie, to harm, and to kill, Alan.

As for whether hate comes from the Lord:

John chapter 2:
[13] The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
[14] In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers at their business.
[15] And making a whip of cords, he drove them all, with the sheep and oxen, out of the temple; and he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables.
[16] And he told those who sold the pigeons, “Take these things away; you shall not make my Father’s house a house of trade.”
[17] His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for thy house will consume me.”

Where does it say that avoiding those things equates to harboring hatred?

“Let love be genuine; hate what is evil, hold fast to what is good.” Romans 12:9

To me, “hate the fact” is another way of saying you wish it weren’t so. From a spiritual and emotional standpoint what I call true hatred, insofar as it represents intentional holding or allowing our hearts to seethe with anger and rage against something or someone, is something I avoid except for a little slip once in a while … and that’s like :banghead: because it feels so good when it stops.

And who ever said what you are saying is true hatred? That’s Wrath, one of the Seven Deadly Sins. I hate Wrath, that’s why I avoid it.

Interesting point. However, the hatred could easily be against the same thing you love, but in the past. If we never hated our enemies we wouldn’t understand the fullness of loving them now. Just because I love someone now, though, doesn’t imply I have to find somebody else to go hate in order for that to happen. The love can be in the present while the hatred is in the past, no?

We are never to hate people. Period. No matter when, no matter where, no matter how. You can only hate what they are doing, or what they did.

On the other hand, as I noted, what I posted there is pure Thomasian (i.e. from St Thomas Aquinas) theology on the passions. I think it would help you immensely to read it.

Honestly I’m a little uneasy with some of the wording of the Act of Contrition. I see this as a statement of a desire to avoid sin, not as an emotional condition involving anger, which is what I think of when I hear the word “hate.” If you want to use “hate” that way, then our disagreements may just be word usage and not spiritually material.

For myself, I don’t like to say I “detest” my sins (except when required to by protocol, to avoid scandal) because to me that connotes that I give emotional power to those sins. Further, I think the wording as to why we detest those sins is clumsy to the point of being unhealthy. It’s as if fear and dread are primary, and love of God is an afterthought even though the words “but most of all” are sprinkled in. That’s one reason I don’t think it’s necessarily a Good Thing to insist on adherence to ancient ways of putting certain prayers into words.

“There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and he who fears is not perfected in love.” 1 John 4:18

This is what you are thinking of when you said the above, right?

But have you ever thought of the reason WHY you have to pray the Act of Contrition, Alan? You only say that when you sin. That’s why what you just said was a bit more awkward than how you think the Act of Contrition is: you pray the Act of Contrition because you do not have perfect love yet, and if love is not perfected yet then fear should still be in your heart. To try to drive out fear when love is not yet perfected is potentially disastrous.

Do not try to run when you cannot even yet walk. Be humble.

I don’t know that it is exactly necessary to hate in order to love, but I can see from a dualistic perspective (not saying dualism is bad, but it is incomplete) that one may not be able to fully understand or appreciate love unless that person has experienced hate.

To love is to run towards something, which also means to run away from something else. That isn’t dualism but common sense.

But that isn’t to say that we should or must hate, or that we should strive to keep hatred alive so that we don’t forget what love is.

ready mentioned that Ecclesiastes says there is “a time to hate.” I’d say there is a time to hate, but preferably it is in the past, as it is an artifact of the false self that we are to shed in order to let God renew us and put on our new selves. If we took this to mean “there are times when you should intentionally strive to hate,” then we would also say that we should intentionally strive to: make war, die, uproot, and kill. I’m not sure that’s what the author meant to convey by his verbiage.

Alan

That’s not hatred, that’s wrath. Hatred only springs up in the presence of something that can harm what is good.

God love you.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

God love you.

And you as well.

Thank you for answering my questions so patiently. I read the whole post but don’t have much comment, as I think the points you made were self-explanatory. I do think that at heart we are not so much apart as it sounds on the surface, and that word usage is more the point of contention than our true sentiments. I say hate, you say wrath, and life goes on. I may change my vocabulary to match yours, eventually, but I think I’m pretty much inline with your beliefs on the matter.

Alan

 

[Trishie]

If a person throws a ball, they will not get it to the target if they are looking where they don’t want it to go. You have to look at the target to get a ball to reach the target. I don’t see the sense of glaring at evil to aim at goodness. Of course I know, otherwise I wouldn’t care where the ball went, but I want to aim for good, so I look at good.

There is nothing of ‘live and let live’ and ‘sloppy sentiment’ in my intention or posts if read correctly. If a person refuses to dwell on evil or to celebrate hate, that does not mean they are not aware of the seriousness and heinousness of sin. I do what I can to act against what is wrong, and also to pray for good and good outcomes, but I see no good outcome for focussing on the negative. You bring about good by working for good, and celebrating good, and in intercessory prayer for good.

There is also not just one mandatory “Act of Confession” I use another Act which the nuns taught us, “O my God I am very sorry that I have sinned against You, because You are so good, and with Your help, I will not sin again.” It may be childish, but I did adapt it to, “O my God, I am very sorry that I have sinned against You, and other people, because You are so good, and with Your help I will not sin again but will grow in faith and love and hope.”

No priest has ever said it was wrong for me to use that form. For more years than I can count I went to Mass each week for Confession, so if I was wrong I would have been told long ago, and I wouldn’t have gone if I was sentimental about sin.

We are not all carbon copies of each other and we don’t all have to express our love of God and goodness, and our grief about sin in the way everyone else thinks we must.
If this isn’t true, then I don’t belong here.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Trishie, you may not belong here, but it isn’t because you have a problem.

Just kidding. We all belong here to the extent we follow forum rules and want to be here.

IMO your reasoning is very sound. Just because I don’t want to wallow in dirt doesn’t mean I don’t recognize that it’s dirty. On the contrary, that’s the whole reason I avoid it. At times I’m attracted to pondering, witnessing, or hearing about evil for several reasons, but it is never so that I may allow myself to get into a lather over it. More likely I’m trying to build up my immune system. Like after I changed baby diapers for a while I could finally do it without having to do it in the bathroom next to the porcelain god.

And I like both forms of your prayer of contrition better than the better known one I trashed in an earlier post.

Alan

 

[Trishie]

Thanks, Alan. I appreciate that.

It’s just as well God doesn’t insist that we are all the same, or He wouldn’t tolerate there being Franciscans, Dominicans, Carmelites, Redemptorists, Benedictines, and innumerable other spiritualities, all of which are pleasing to God, and whatever different focus in spirituality, all of which are still obedient to the Magisterium, the Catechism, and Canon Law.

If God did not approve, no one would have to discern to which spirituality they were called.
There would be only one Order not many!

I’ve never met Franciscans, or Dominicans, or Augustinians, or Carmelites who have believed their spirituality to be the only right one*(I have lived in parishes with these four Orders. I also spent time living in with the Tyburn Benedictines.*) They have recognized that we are called to the spirituality that God chooses for us. There are teaching Orders, Nursing and other ministry Orders, preaching Orders, Contemplative Orders, and not just one of each, but many. We trust God to lead us to the particular spirituality in which He wises us to thrive and to serve. To discern is between ourselves and God and our spiritual director and Confessor.

Some may think St Therese of Lisieux to be sentimental. I’ve known people who thought so and dismissed her as such, but In fact she was very strong, but she spoke endlessly of love, she stood against what was evil by standing for what is good, what is love.

 

[John_Russell_Jr]

I know now why I hate everything with all my soul!

For the evil and the faithless I hate them for the obvious reasons. There views also have corrupted all of the world so that now nowhere is safe from atheistic secularism. I put those two together not because I see all atheists as evil, but because they in their own relative morality provide just as bad of a corruption in society as any evil person.

As for the Good and those with faith, I hate them nearly equally because I don’t belong…

I don’t have the gift of faith, yet I can’t tear away the thought of God being an existing force. Even trying to live like an atheist would be a joke, like trying to not notice your arm is missing if you’ve had it amputated.

It drives me crazy that I’ll never fit in all Black or White; that I’m the Lukewarm that God spits out. For those reasons I hate God, for being good yet spitting out my damned soul; it doesn’t matter that I deserve it - I just hate the Creator for placing me in a sea of people I can’t relate too and then when it all ends just leaving me to rot in Hell with evil and the faithless.

… my dear friend ,

… i see your banned but you may read this or maybe it’ll help someone with similiar probs , you don’t hate anything at all in reality , what you hate is yourself , but more specifically you hate the absolute insanity in your head , and all have this prob to varying degrees , your head is full of so many infinite systems of laws and rules , like everyone’s , that it is immeasurable and neither you or anyone can ever know them ., and they constantly change and evolve , you hate everything that disobeys these insane laws and rules in your head , you love everything that obeys them but obviously not much obedience lately , maybe you have depression and need a dr dear friend , with the endless laws and rules we judge all as good or evil based on them , the concept of good and evil is infinitely different in each persons mind , good and evil can be named anything that ever comes to mind , perfect or imperfect , correct or incorrect , beautiful or ugly , we divide everything into good or evil like these and the ways are endless , if we judge something good we reward it at least in our mind but may express it in many ways , if we judge something evil we punish it at least in our minds but once again can express it many ways , it is all pure insanity and the laws and rules can get way out of whack to be overly insane or you can blow your top your so fed up and the next time a little rule is broken you way overeact – you’ve had enough , so you see you really only hate the absolute insanity in your mind which is you , but all here have the same problem , maybe just knowing this will help you , i’ll pray hard for you dear friend , get therapy if you need it too ,

… may god bless , love and grant you boundless peace dear friend ,

… john …

 

[Trishie]

**John, you brought things back to topic in a lovely, kind and gentle way.

Defending ****and arguing about ****hate may not be helpful to ****Flavius_Aetius, who isn’t happy about hating, just feels unhappily stuck with it, as many past threads and posts over the last couple of years have shown.

But your caring post returns focus to ****Flavius_Aetius who perhaps may visit the thread despite losing posting rights.
Thanks for setting things right, John, in hope that the OP will not feel lost in the discussion but instead will feel relevant and valued.

Hopefully ****Flavius_Aetius ****will ****find a good way forwards.

Thanks, John.

We do wish you the best and you can be confident that some of us will keep praying for you Flavius_Aetius.
**

 

[ready]

Dear Trishie,

Tonight’s evening prayer reading of the Divine Office is taken from Roman’s 12:9-12. The first two lines say:

“Your love must be sincere. Detest what is evil, cling to what is good.”

If you look up the word detest in the dictionary it means the same thing as hate. Don’t you see, it is even written in the Bible that we should hate what is evil - and I’m sure it says this in more than one place.

It is sound Church teaching that tells us to detest what is evil and to cling to what is good. Nobody here on this forum who has responded to Flavius_Aetlius has said that we should “focus” on evil, Trishie. You are misleading Flavius_Aetius if you lead him to believe that what St. Paul has said in the above quote is false. What St.Paul says is biblical and is thus true. It is you who is off in your thinking because you are speaking opposed to what St. Paul and the Church teaches by saying we shouldn’t hate sin. Everybody knows the Church teaches that we should love the sinner and hate the sin, yet you oppose this view. I mean this with no disrespect. I myself focus on the Lord and his goodness and not on my sins or on the sins people commit, but when I sin or people sin I still hate the sin because it is our sin that crucifies our Lord all over again and offends him.

 

[ready]

Dear Flavius_Aetius, It is St. Augustine of Hippo who said that we should “love the sinner and hate the sin.” He is a Saint and loved God and neighbor greatly as a Bishop. He is recognized as perhaps the most brilliant mind in all the Church.

 

[Trishie]

It is sound Church teaching that tells us to detest what is evil and to cling to what is good. Nobody here on this forum who has responded to Flavius_Aetlius has said that we should “focus” on evil, Trishie. You are misleading Flavius_Aetius if you lead him to believe that what St. Paul has said in the above quote is false. What St.Paul says is biblical and is thus true. It is you who is off in your thinking because you are speaking opposed to what St. Paul and the Church teaches by saying we shouldn’t hate sin. Everybody knows the Church teaches that we should love the sinner and hate the sin, yet you oppose this view. I mean this with no disrespect. I myself focus on the Lord and his goodness and not on my sins or on the sins people commit, but when I sin or people sin I still hate the sin because it is our sin that crucifies our Lord all over again and offends him.

You are continuing to misunderstand me Ready. I am surprised, and really quite insulted. You have no cause to attack me. I have always supported good and tried to act against what is wrong in these forums.
More than most people here I quote in support of Scripture, the Catechism, Canon Law and as you cannot understand that I do stand strongly against evil and in defense of good, which I’m sure the OP understands, I don’t wish to engage you further on the subject.

The OP is profoundly depressed by his own admission, and even on my profile page has posted about hating humankind in general and hating himself. Yes, he should reject and hate what is bad but he shouldn’t be encouraged further in hate when he hasn’t yet learned to love, by his own public admission That has been a matter of public forum record. Of course I reject sin. I am profoundly offended by your persistent misunderstanding and but for the fact that there are people who do find my (name removed by moderator)ut helpful, there were nine messages when I tuned in today, I would avoid these forums because of people who make no attempt to understand what others are really saying.
I am profoundly offended by your persistent misunderstanding of what I actually say. If I wish to express “Grief” instead of “hate” I am saying the same basic thing but according to my nature, and in fact you will find that in some apparitions, like the Sacred Heart, and the Immaculate Heart, the words used are that sin grieves Jesus.