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I am hoping to convert this Easter and I really need some help understanding this one idea. The Catholic Church, from this website, has added all their doctrines over a period of time. Purgatory came along after the Church was established, then Priest able to forgive sins…how would a good Catholic defend the faith here? BTW, I am looking to convert. Thanks. 👍

Website: lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2004/2004-04-01.htm
 
I forgot to add and I’m not sure if you already know/or have it. But you might want to get a copy of the Catholic Bible that includes the Apocryphal books.

God Bless.
 
I forgot to add and I’m not sure if you already know/or have it. But you might want to get a copy of the Catholic Bible that includes the Apocryphal books.

God Bless.
Hi, I dont need help understanding Purgatory or confessions. I need help understanding why did the Catholic Church add these things over a period of time? I would of thought, that the Catholic Church would of added these at the time of Peter. But I still need help understanding it.
 
Hi, I dont need help understanding Purgatory or confessions. I need help understanding why did the Catholic Church add these things over a period of time? I would of thought, that the Catholic Church would of added these at the time of Peter. But I still need help understanding it.
First of all,what do you mean by: *why did the Catholic Church add these things over a period of time? * What things were added over time?
 
I am hoping to convert this Easter and I really need some help understanding this one idea. The Catholic Church, from this website, has added all their doctrines over a period of time. Purgatory came along after the Church was established, then Priest able to forgive sins…how would a good Catholic defend the faith here? BTW, I am looking to convert. Thanks. 👍

Website: lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2004/2004-04-01.htm
I have articles on my blog that can help you with these things.

Their list looks a lot like it’s taken from what’s known as The “Boettner List”
The “Boettner List”: Fact or Fiction?

Biblical and Jewish Traditional Beliefs About Purgatory

Catholic Confession
Scriptures About Penance

Baptism~ Necessary or Not?
The Case For Infant Baptism
 
Hi, I dont need help understanding Purgatory or confessions. I need help understanding why did the Catholic Church add these things over a period of time? I would of thought, that the Catholic Church would of added these at the time of Peter. But I still need help understanding it.
Try this from Catholic Answers. Can Dogma Develop?
 
First of all, that is an anti-Catholic website. While they may be sincere, they are wrong.

The reason many people think that we “added” things is that we don’t have a catechism from the time of the Apostles. There were a lot of things which were taught all along, but we don’t have a written record until someone mentioned it, or until the concept needed to be clarified.

For example, the question of what precisely happens at the Consecration was not settled until the Council of Trent in the 1600s. The Catholic Church always taught that the bread and wine are the Body and Blood of Christ after the consecration, but the questiin of transsubstantiation or consubtantiation arose and was settled at Trent. So there are Protestants out there who say that we didn’t teach the True Presence until the Council of Trent.

There are people who attack the Church with maloce, but many who losten to them are sincerely concerned about the souls of Catholics. But unless you have a good grounding in the Faith and a reason for reading that stuff, you should stick to orthodox Catholic materials. Radio Replies is a 3-volume set of questiins and answers about the Faith whih can be found online. I learned a lot from those books (after reading the Baltimore Catechism).
 
I have articles on my blog that can help you with these things.

Their list looks a lot like it’s taken from what’s known as The “Boettner List”
The “Boettner List”: Fact or Fiction?

Biblical and Jewish Traditional Beliefs About Purgatory

Catholic Confession
Scriptures About Penance

Baptism~ Necessary or Not?
The Case For Infant Baptism
Guys! I dont need help on understanding these. I understand these Completely. ALL I need help with is why the Catholic Church added the doctrines over a period of time. My Website at the top is the website that says the Catholic Church added so and so at different times. I thought it would all be added at the time of Peter. 🤷
 
The problem that exists among some protestant groups is that they attempt to “prove” themselves right by dis-“proving” the Catholic Church. That seems to be the case with the website you referenced.

At any rate, what they’re saying (and your question) is about the Church [supposedly] adding doctrines, etc. over time after the Church was founded. There are a couple of issues involved here:

First, many of the things that website lists were around from the establishment of the Church; however, the dates listed are the dates when the doctrine or practice was written down and “codified” as officially part of “how we do things” in the Church. (I hope that makes sense.) For example, it’s like our rural roads in this area where I live. Some don’t have posted speed limits, but it’s understood that there is one (state law specifies it, I believe). At some point, the local government passes an ordinance and puts up a sign stating the speed limit. The date of that ordinance is pretty irrelevant. It’s more of an official recognition of something that’s been in place all along.

Second, the Church is a living institution for and of people. Time changes… people change… societies change… in short, nothing is stagnant. PRACTICES of the Church often adapt along the way as well; this was true in the days of the Apostles and was foreseen by Jesus when he gave Peter the Keys to the Kingdom (see Matthew 16:19). DOCTRINE (core beliefs of the Church) do not change, but may be explained or applied in new ways to situations that never existed before. (For instance, in the 1200s, there was no need for a teaching about artificial birth control since they didn’t have readily available and easy access to such things.)

I hope this helps. I actually come from a Church of Christ background (like the website), so hopefully I can shed some light on their views in contrast to the Church’s real teachings.
 
I am hoping to convert this Easter and I really need some help understanding this one idea. The Catholic Church, from this website, has added all their doctrines over a period of time. Purgatory came along after the Church was established, then Priest able to forgive sins…how would a good Catholic defend the faith here? BTW, I am looking to convert. Thanks. 👍

Website: lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2004/2004-04-01.htm
Nothing was simply invented by Catholics, though our understanding of many things has developed. You may find The Fathers Know Best by Jimmy Akin helpful, it includes many, many references to these sorts of beliefs from the Early Church Fathers.
 
The problem that exists among some protestant groups is that they attempt to “prove” themselves right by dis-“proving” the Catholic Church. That seems to be the case with the website you referenced.

At any rate, what they’re saying (and your question) is about the Church [supposedly] adding doctrines, etc. over time after the Church was founded. There are a couple of issues involved here:

First, many of the things that website lists were around from the establishment of the Church; however, the dates listed are the dates when the doctrine or practice was written down and “codified” as officially part of “how we do things” in the Church. (I hope that makes sense.) For example, it’s like our rural roads in this area where I live. Some don’t have posted speed limits, but it’s understood that there is one (state law specifies it, I believe). At some point, the local government passes an ordinance and puts up a sign stating the speed limit. The date of that ordinance is pretty irrelevant. It’s more of an official recognition of something that’s been in place all along.

Second, the Church is a living institution for and of people. Time changes… people change… societies change… in short, nothing is stagnant. PRACTICES of the Church often adapt along the way as well; this was true in the days of the Apostles and was foreseen by Jesus when he gave Peter the Keys to the Kingdom (see Matthew 16:19). DOCTRINE (core beliefs of the Church) do not change, but may be explained or applied in new ways to situations that never existed before. (For instance, in the 1200s, there was no need for a teaching about artificial birth control since they didn’t have readily available and easy access to such things.)

I hope this helps. I actually come from a Church of Christ background (like the website), so hopefully I can shed some light on their views in contrast to the Church’s real teachings.
THANK YOU! You get my questions and answer it very well. I thank you for this! 👍
 
The problem that exists among some protestant groups is that they attempt to “prove” themselves right by dis-“proving” the Catholic Church. That seems to be the case with the website you referenced.

At any rate, what they’re saying (and your question) is about the Church [supposedly] adding doctrines, etc. over time after the Church was founded. There are a couple of issues involved here:

First, many of the things that website lists were around from the establishment of the Church; however, the dates listed are the dates when the doctrine or practice was written down and “codified” as officially part of “how we do things” in the Church. (I hope that makes sense.) For example, it’s like our rural roads in this area where I live. Some don’t have posted speed limits, but it’s understood that there is one (state law specifies it, I believe). At some point, the local government passes an ordinance and puts up a sign stating the speed limit. The date of that ordinance is pretty irrelevant. It’s more of an official recognition of something that’s been in place all along.

Second, the Church is a living institution for and of people. Time changes… people change… societies change… in short, nothing is stagnant. PRACTICES of the Church often adapt along the way as well; this was true in the days of the Apostles and was foreseen by Jesus when he gave Peter the Keys to the Kingdom (see Matthew 16:19). DOCTRINE (core beliefs of the Church) do not change, but may be explained or applied in new ways to situations that never existed before. (For instance, in the 1200s, there was no need for a teaching about artificial birth control since they didn’t have readily available and easy access to such things.)

I hope this helps. I actually come from a Church of Christ background (like the website), so hopefully I can shed some light on their views in contrast to the Church’s real teachings.
This was a great answer and I love the analogy.

The biggest thing I noticed while researching the history of Christianity (Catholicism) is that the Church never made a doctrine official unless it was being attacked by those within or outside the Church. It quickly dawned on me that the dates the doctrines were defined weren’t really the dates they were created and conceived but rather the dates for when a common belief held by the Church came under attack. The most widely used example that illustrates this is the Trinity doctrine which was defined in 325 AD Council of Nicea. Now if I took the stance that the dates of doctrines indicated the time in which they were conceived by the Church then I would have to conclude that the early Christians before 300 AD didn’t believe in the Trinity, which I know to be false. If anything the dates for when the doctrines were defined do nothing but further support the claim that the belief in question was commonly held as true amongst Christians within the Church.
 
I am hoping to convert this Easter and I really need some help understanding this one idea. The Catholic Church, from this website, has added all their doctrines over a period of time. Purgatory came along after the Church was established, then Priest able to forgive sins…how would a good Catholic defend the faith here? BTW, I am looking to convert. Thanks. 👍

Website: lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2004/2004-04-01.htm
The list is pretty silly and distorts the complex reality of doctrinal/liturgical development, though it’s not as bad as the version I’ve seen elsewhere.

Early 3rd century is a pretty good date for the earliest explicit Christian mention of something like Purgatory, actually–in fact it’s somewhat generous, because it’s probably referring to Perpetua’s prayer for her unbaptized brother, a case that wouldn’t fall under the strict later definitions of Purgatory.

Purgatory is a doctrinal development resulting from several basic Christian principles:
  1. The practice of prayer for the dead, which goes back at least to Hellenistic Judaism (see 2 Maccabees). While we can’t prove that the earliest Christians did this, it seems highly likely that they did. And prayer for the dead implies some idea that the condition of the dead can be improved. The context in 2 Maccabees refers to Jews who had committed idolatry and didn’t seem to have repented before death (since the idols were found on their bodies, even though they had died fighting for Judaism). In other words, they were a “borderline” case. I should also note that Paul’s prayer in 2 Timothy for Onesiphorus to find mercy in “that day” sounds like a prayer for the dead, though I can’t prove it.
  2. The Christian doctrine of sanctification–we need to be holy in order to enter God’s presence, and yet we can be forgiven and have a relationship with God while being imperfectly holy. Something, then, has to change. The key Scriptural passage here is 2 Cor. 3. One longstanding Protestant interpretation holds that this refers only to the fruit of one’s labors and not to any kind of purgation affecting one’s own soul, but this seems highly unconvincing and strained to me.
It took Christians a fairly long time to put this together into a doctrine of Purgatory. But that isn’t surprising. The Trinity, after all, took several centuries to formulate, and that’s far more central to Christian faith.

I should also note that we can argue over just what “Purgatory” is. The Orthodox, for instance, claim not to believe in it but definitely believe in some kind of post-mortem purgation, and Catholics do not, as far as I know, consider Orthodox beliefs on this point to be heretical. Purgatory, in the dogmatic sense, is a much more “minimal” doctrine than many people imagine.

Edwin

Edwin
 
Guys! I dont need help on understanding these. I understand these Completely. ALL I need help with is why the Catholic Church added the doctrines over a period of time. My Website at the top is the website that says the Catholic Church added so and so at different times. I thought it would all be added at the time of Peter. 🤷
Just adding to what others have said, you will find the roots of the beliefs in the OT.

Example is confession is prefigured in the OT in Leviticus 5 (I believe). Another prefigurement is in the Job 42:

After the LORD had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has. 8 So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has.” 9 So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite did what the LORD told them; and the LORD accepted Job’s prayer.

Here you have God telling Eliphaz to have Job intercede for him to be forgiven.

If you want to read more on confession, I would suggest Scott Hahn’s Lord Have Mercy, which traces the roots of the sacrament from the OT to the NT, and the practices of the early Church to today.

About the Eucharist (though you did not ask), this is a good book too…Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist by Brant Pitre.
 
The problem with trying to explain why the Church did what that website says the Church did is that the Church didn’t do what that website says the Church did.

Clear? 😛

For instance, the Didache (c. 100 AD) – probably the first Christian catechism – discusses confessing sins in church. The Bible repeatedly mentions both confession and forgiveness of sins (James; the Gospels; various Pauline letters). The Gospels make clear that men being able to forgive sins – rather than God alone being able to forgive them – was a stumbling block to Jesus’ teaching. Yet Jesus made clear that the Apostles had the power to forgive sins (“Whose sins you forgive, are forgiven”), and the BIble teaches that the Apostles’ powers passed to their successors. So forgiveness of sins by priests has been around from the beginning.

That website says the Church first separated clergy from laity in the early second century. Apparently the author is unaware of the Old Testament, which separated the Levitical priesthood from the non-priests; the Gospels, which said that the priesthood was taken away from the Levites and given to others; and the New Testament letters, which discussed the rules for choosing bishops, priests, and deacons.

That website says that the Church first started having meetings of elders in a region in the second century. Trying reading Acts of the Apostles, which chronicles such meetings, or some of Paul’s letters (e.g., Timothy and Titus).

It says that clergy were prohibited to marry in the third century. That’s untrue in two ways. First, even today married men may become priests in the Catholic Church, just not in the Latin Rite (there are 13 other rites that allow it). Second, celibacy is celebrated in Paul’s letters – the very Bible that the site you cite claims to follow – as the ideal state.

As for Purgatory, since that’s one you specifically asked about, Jesus discussed it (the unforgiveable sin is one that cannot be forgiven, “neither in this age nor in the age to come”), so it’s Biblically based. Not to mention the fact that the Jews prayed for the dead before the New Testament was written, so it can’t be a later invention by the Catholic Church.

It goes on and on, and it’s wrong. Why? Because, by attacking a misrepresentation of the Catholic Church, it’s easier to justify staying in a different church.

Now, it is true that the theology explaining these doctrines has developed over time. Why? Because, as humans, we keep asking questions, and the answers therefore become more developed as the centuries pass by. Think about raising a child in a home with a fireplace. You begin by prohibiting the child from getting too close to the fire. At some point you start explaining that the fire is dangerous, and you soon answer “Because it would hurt you. Because it’s hot. Because fires are hot. Because etc…” Eventually you even have the child starting the fires once s/he’s old enough.

From the child’s perspective: are you inventing things as time goes on, or are you figuring out a more sophisticated explanation once you’ve understood the more simplistic ones?

In truth, however, the underlying rule was unchanged: Do not allow children to harm themselves through ignorance.

And that basic rule, like the doctrines you’re asking about, has been around from the beginning.
 
The classic work on this subject is Blessed John Henry Newman’s Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine. The teachings you mentioned were part of the original deposit of faith. They simply had to be fleshed out as the Church expanded through both space and time. Christianity is not a set of static principles found in the Bible and the Bible only. Indeed, one may ask why the Church established the canon in the centuries after the Apostles. The New Testament as Protestants have it today was a later development in Church history. That doesn’t change the fact that they were the inspired books from the very beginning. The same holds true for all of the Catholic doctrines that developed over time.
 
Guys! I dont need help on understanding these. I understand these Completely. ALL I need help with is why the Catholic Church added the doctrines over a period of time. My Website at the top is the website that says the Catholic Church added so and so at different times. I thought it would all be added at the time of Peter. 🤷
I would recommend “The Development of Christian Doctrine” by John Henry Cardinal Newman. Reading this is on my to-do list.
 
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ALL I need help with is why the Catholic Church added the doctrines over a period of time.
No doctrines can be added to the faith. The faith was whole and entire when the Apostles delivered it to the Church.

Protestants added/changed doctrines during the Reformation, and continue to do so to this day.

The Catholic church develops doctrine, which means understanding it better over time, and applying it to the present day, but the deposit of faith was closed at the death of the last Apostle.
My Website at the top is the website that says the Catholic Church added so and so at different times. I thought it would all be added at the time of Peter. 🤷
What do you mean “My Website”. Do you have a website of your own that is posting lies, or are you reading some other website and calling it “my” that is posting lies?

My advice to you would be, don’t believe whatever website you read on the internet. There are many anti-Catholic websites that just contain out and out lies.

If you want to know what the CC believes and teaches, I recommend you don’t ask an anti-Catholic. Come here and read in the library or the official documents of the Church. If you have questions, we are here to help you.
 
Here’s a short paragraph from New Avent.

“Taken in the sense of “the act of teaching” and “the knowledge imparted by teaching”, this term is synonymous with CATECHESIS and CATECHISM. Didaskalia, didache, in the Vulgate, doctrina, are often used in the New Testament, especially in the Pastoral Epistles. As we might expect, the Apostle insists upon “doctrine” as one of the most important duties of a bishop (1 Timothy 4:13, 16; 5:17; 2 Timothy 4:2, etc.).”

Peace
 
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