I never thought I would want to stop at one child

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I’ve written here before about some of the issues I’ve had with my husband, so I’ll try to keep the background brief.

While there have been some times where he has been good and loving to me, for a good portion of our marriage my husband has been what some consider emotionally abusive: criticizing me, calling me names, blaming me for things that aren’t my fault, etc. There have been 3 incidents when he got mildly physical in anger, e.g. pulling my arm, but he seems to have his temper better under control the last couple months. He drinks a minimum of 6 alcoholic drinks a day every day.

He seems to really love our 15-month-old son, but he sometimes does things that disturb me: plays too rough, yells at the baby to shut up, uses swear words in front of the baby (although that has decreased a bit lately), sleeps on the floor of the gated playroom with the baby wandering around when he’s supposed to be watching him, that sort of thing. He will also ignore the boy if he is “not in the mood” or tired. I often worry that the way my husband treats him will cause our son emotional harm.

He refuses individual counseling, but we’ve seen a couple marriage counselors with a little progress made. We stopped seeing the last one a few months ago. My husband complained every time we had an appointment, and he got really defensive every time I tried to bring up things that bothered me. After describing to her an argument in which he pulled my arm, she didn’t bat an eye and said we should have communicated better. I decided that more counseling was feudal at that point.

I have thought about separation a few times, but at this point, I don’t think it would be a good idea, just a nasty ordeal. I have more control over the situation and what my son is exposed to when we stay together, and he has put forth some effort to change for the better. Still, at my cousin’s wedding today, he had probably 12 drinks from the open bar, and at one point he stepped on my foot and said “why were you standing in my way?!” instead of “Sorry.” He did apologize a few moments later, though.

At this point, I am working 24 hours a week and doing about 95% of the parenting and household chores, although sometimes the sitter helps with chores. I have a relatively easy-going child, but he still requires a lot of work and attention (which I happily give him, foregoing other tasks). I finally understand the phrase “A woman’s work is never done.” I am exhausted by the end of the day, and still have a 30-item to-do list.

[Imagine what the long background would have been like:p]

I pray for my husband every day, but if nothing major changes, I truly believe I have serious reasons for avoiding pregnancy indefinitely with NFP. I’ve always wanted to have more than one child, but I just don’t see how bringing another child into this situation would be wise. My husband has been talking a lot lately about wanting to have another baby soon. Since I am fairly sure laying the whole thing out like I did here will only make him angry and defensive, I focus on the “I’m exhausted” part of why I want to wait. He says he accepts that, but he keeps bringing up the subject of more kids.

I’m not sure what I’m looking for here exactly…I guess I just needed to tell someone because I don’t want to burden yet again the few real life people I feel comfortable talking to about this. Maybe I need confirmation that I’m not a bad Catholic. Maybe I need someone to reinforce that I’m not overreacting. Maybe I need words of encouragement. No doubt I need prayers!

Anyway, folks, thanks for reading 👍
 
It would seem that, by some means, you need to convey some very serious issues and concerns to your husband - issues that go to the very future of your life together. By some means, you need to engage in a very deep conversation with him. I find it entirely understandable you don’t want to expand your family given the current environment.
 
I could suggest something,but I think staying together needs a bit more effort,
On his part that is,

Is it Possible that he has issues that you don’t know about ?
Alcohol hides many issues , if the Alcohol is cut back,then perhaps his issues might surface,
But their is little point unless he wants to help himself ,
 
Praying for you. You are not unreasonable at all. If he doesn’t get treatment for his alcoholism, you might need to eventually separate. It would be very difficult to bring another child into the picture without his seeking treatment.
 
It would seem that, by some means, you need to convey some very serious issues and concerns to your husband - issues that go to the very future of your life together. By some means, you need to engage in a very deep conversation with him. I find it entirely understandable you don’t want to expand your family given the current environment.
Yes, something along the lines of, “Honey, you’re an alcoholic, you don’t help out at home, and as long as that continues to be the case, I don’t think we should have more children.”

Oh, and be really careful about the NFP.

Try Al Anon–I know a lot of people here have recommended it.

And be careful about leaving your son with your husband. Small children are very frustrating, even to people that are operating with all of their mental and physical resources.
 
Yes, something along the lines of, “Honey, you’re an alcoholic, you don’t help out at home, and as long as that continues to be the case, I don’t think we should have more children.”

Oh, and be really careful about the NFP.

Try Al Anon–I know a lot of people here have recommended it.

**And be careful about leaving your son with your husband. ** Small children are very frustrating, even to people that are operating with all of their mental and physical resources.
Yeah.

This is a situation where I would not just be thinking, “I should not be adding more kids to this,” but a situation where I think, “How long do I subject myself and my son to this before we leave?”

Behavioral changes take a long time to implement and stay. A lot of abusers can clean up their act long enough to lull their victims to feel safe again and say to themselves, “Maybe it’s over.” But give them a longer timeline - say, a year, to show you that you are safe and that the commitment to change is permanent, and it won’t last. Or even six months.

I would have been out of there the first “arm tug.” Physical abuse, the end.

You’re not a “bad Catholic,” but the issue you seem to be facing is that behavior that is clearly not normal or healthy or safe feels normal to you. You seem to be rationalizing.

There’s a segment of CAF posters that say that every time a woman posts about her marriage problems someone tells her to leave. But I think for your safety and your child’s you should not be living together. If you want to live separately but tell him, “If you are serious about us being together and having a family, then the drinking needs to stop and so does the roughness,” I think that would be good, as long as you’re prepared to follow through. And setting any kind of ultimatum could be a very unsafe thing to do if you stay in your current environment.
 
Firstly, I don’t think you should consider yourself a ‘bad Catholic’ for not wanting more children right now. NFP allows you to have some say in the number of children you have for a reason. In your case, the reason is your emotional health as well as that of your current son.

Can you talk to a Priest about this? Not just the issue of more children, but of your husband and his treatment toward you and your son.

I will be praying for you and your family. Keep praying for your husband while also seeking help and guidance for yourself.

T
 
I agree with the other posters. At this point…postponing another child indefinitely is the least of your problems…you need to worry about you and the child you have now.

This is a very, very serious situation and for the protection and safety of you and your son…you should separate.

I don’t think it’s an if but a matter of when he does something to the child, whether intentional or not.
He’s an alcoholic and would not be able to control his behavior.
The terrible twos can be especially infuriating and frustrating for even the most reasonable and patient parent.
I know my husband and I have both lost our patience on more then one occasion with our oldest and we struggled…and I don’t drink at all and he usually only has one beer with dinner every couple of nights.

My husband grew up in a household with an alcoholic father. While my husband was spared much of the abuse (he was the youngest and my FIL’s “favorite”) his brother, sister and mother were not spared and they suffered through emotional, verbal and some physical abuse on a nightly basis.
It still damaged my husband and it really hurt his other siblings…to the point where his sister still has panic attacks and nightmares…years later (she suspects PTSD) and his brother left and never came back and never contacted anyone in the family ever again (it’s been over 20 years since my husband has seen or heard from his brother).

When my MIL finally divorced my FIL…my husband was relieved that he wouldn’t have to endure anymore abuse on a regular basis.

Alcohol can do some very serious damage to a family. It’s sad and scary.

Start attending Al Anon and see a counselor the specializes in addiction…if you can. See one on your own.
 
Please go to Al-Anon as soon as you can. And don’t leave your child alone in the care of your husband. You may want to consider a separation. Sometimes, if you can achieve a little distance from the situation, you may be able to evaluate with a clearer eye.

I have walked this road, and I wish you peace.
 
My prayers are with you all. May you know God’s grace and strength to do what’s needed for you and your little boy to be safe and happy. I also pray your husband will realise what he is doing and the effect this is having on you and the little one.

I agree with other posts that a separation would probably be best, to give you some time to think and for your husband to realise what he stands to lose by his current behaviour and resolve to change for all your sakes.

God bless
 
You are not a bad Catholic. There is “for better or worse” I think the thread was 10 things men would look for in their lives, I gave part of my marital story. tweedlealice.
Only you can decide what you can handle and not handle. But God does not want you to be in danger or your child emotionally damaged and learning male behavior patterns from a man such as his father. Write down what you saw in him that drew you to him to marry him. What happened? I went to Al-anon meetings on my own. They were very helpful. Counseling is a must and I would say Christian (Catholic) counseling. First time I went to Catholic counseling, he told me to leave him. I said," what!" It’s the first visit." I didn’t leave. Many years later I left for a few months. But, returned like MacArthur to the Philippines. I opened the door and said, " I have returned.’ The Al-Anon people have a really good book that guides you Along w your Bible.
Obviously,you are upset with the way things are going. It looks like he isn’t happy with you and your baby. He is argumentative and drinks a lot. He isn’t happy and you don’t want him to feel this way. You don’t want to pull him down. You don’t know what to do to make him happy. Maybe he needs a different type of wife. You don’t believe in divorce. You still love him. But you don’t feel loved by him. Read Corinthians 13: 1-10.You’re
going to go to Al-anon to help your perspective and start going to counseling yourself but you would like him to go with you. Your son needs healthier, happier parents. What do you thing?? Put it on you first. After a nice supper. Private message me, if you do it and let me know how it works. Praying for you
St. Anthony, your prayers obtained miracles during your lifetime. From heaven you continue to obtain miracles for all of us. Saint Anthony Performer of Miracles, please obtain for me the blessings God holds in reserve who serve HIm. Please, pray that we may be worthy of the promises of Christ. Please answer the prayer for the needs of this family.Padre Pio, Mother Theresa, Pope John Paul II keep prayers flowing to Jesus who will bring them to the Father. I plead mercy for a healing of this family. In your miracle St. Anthony you have driven and dispersed devils. Bring warrior angels with you and w the power given to all of you drive the enemy out of this home. May this house get officially blessed by the church w permission of her husband.
in Christ’s love
tweedlealice
 
I’m afraid for your child. Yes, your husband telling a 15-month-old to shut up and ignoring him because he (your husband) doesn’t feel like dealing with him at the moment is going to cause emotional harm to your child. As will seeing his father pulling his mother’s arm when he is angry. Believe me, IT WILL harm your child.

Why are you rationalizing your husband’s actions? There’s nothing normal or healthy about them. They WILL HARM YOUR INNOCENT CHILD. Sooner or later, you are going to have to make a choice. Do I continue to let my husband hurt my child or not?

It is definitely wise to use NFP to avoid bringing another innocent child into this mess. Your priority now is protecting the one child you already have.
 
Yes, something along the lines of, “Honey, you’re an alcoholic, you don’t help out at home, and as long as that continues to be the case, I don’t think we should have more children.”

Oh, and be really careful about the NFP.

Try Al Anon–I know a lot of people here have recommended it.

And be careful about leaving your son with your husband. Small children are very frustrating, even to people that are operating with all of their mental and physical resources.
Yes, yes, and yes. I wouldn’t leave my child with him for a millisecond. Not under any circumstances.
 
Your husband is an alcoholic. You need to face this fact. Al-Anon can help you accept that nothing you do will fix this.

My suggestion is legal advice on seeking a civil divorce and full custody of your son with only supervised visits for your husband. He cannot be left alone with a small child drinking to the point of passing out on the floor. Document everything.
 
It sounds like you are trying to control his abuse by ***** footing around… not bringing up relevant issues because of his anger etc. This pattern has to be broken or he will continue to increase his power over you. He’s possibly got some narcissitic traits and those sorts don’t engage their own consciences in a relationship. They think of themselves only pretty much and have no qualms using intimidation and domination to get their way.

If possible, get yourself into individual counselling to help with guidance in starting to stand your ground on things. Letting him get away with really unacceptable behaviours is not doing yourself or your son any favours in the long term.

Edit: I’ve been edited in the first sentence but I think context can let you know that I was using a common and reasonable word to express something.
 
It sounds like you are trying to control his abuse by ***** footing around… not bringing up relevant issues because of his anger etc. This pattern has to be broken or he will continue to increase his power over you. He’s possibly got some narcissitic traits and those sorts don’t engage their own consciences in a relationship. They think of themselves only pretty much and have no qualms using intimidation and domination to get their way.

If possible, get yourself into individual counselling to help with guidance in starting to stand your ground on things. Letting him get away with really unacceptable behaviours is not doing yourself or your son any favours in the long term.

Edit: I’ve been edited in the first sentence but I think context can let you know that I was using a common and reasonable word to express something.
That was one of the more hilarious efforts by the censoring software.

We know you weren’t swearing!
 
I think you are wise not to have another child right now. Your husband needs to focus on getting control of his alcohol abuse. You should work at getting yourself in a situation where you are able to separate if he refuses to get help for the drinking.
 
You are not a bad Catholic. There is “for better or worse” I think the thread was 10 things men would look for in their lives, I gave part of my marital story. tweedlealice.
Only you can decide what you can handle and not handle. But God does not want you to be in danger or your child emotionally damaged and learning male behavior patterns from a man such as his father. Write down what you saw in him that drew you to him to marry him. What happened? I went to Al-anon meetings on my own. They were very helpful. Counseling is a must and I would say Christian (Catholic) counseling. First time I went to Catholic counseling, he told me to leave him. I said," what!" It’s the first visit." I didn’t leave. Many years later I left for a few months. But, returned like MacArthur to the Philippines. I opened the door and said, " I have returned.’ The Al-Anon people have a really good book that guides you Along w your Bible.
Obviously,you are upset with the way things are going. It looks like he isn’t happy with you and your baby. He is argumentative and drinks a lot. He isn’t happy and you don’t want him to feel this way. You don’t want to pull him down. You don’t know what to do to make him happy. Maybe he needs a different type of wife.I am only saying this for you to take this posture as you speak to him. It is easier to have him think you think you are the problem instead of him. It is less threatening. You don’t believe in divorce. You still love him. But you don’t feel loved by him. Read Corinthians 13: 1-10.You’re
going to go to Al-anon to help your perspective and start going to counseling yourself but you would like him to go with you. Your son needs healthier, happier parents. What do you think?? Put it on you first. After a nice supper. Private message me, if you do it and let me know how it works. Praying for you
St. Anthony, your prayers obtained miracles during your lifetime. From heaven you continue to obtain miracles for all of us. Saint Anthony Performer of Miracles, please obtain for me the blessings God holds in reserve who serve HIm. Please, pray that we may be worthy of the promises of Christ. Please answer the prayer for the needs of this family.Padre Pio, Mother Theresa, Pope John Paul II keep prayers flowing to Jesus who will bring them to the Father. I plead mercy for a healing of this family. In your miracle St. Anthony you have driven and dispersed devils. Bring warrior angels with you and w the power given to all of you drive the enemy out of this home. May this house get officially blessed by the church w permission of her husband.
in Christ’s love
tweedlealice
Jeremiah 29:11 I have a plan for you. It is a plan for good and not for evil. It has a purpose and a future…Read Ephesians 3:13-14. May God continue to strengthen you.
in Christ’s love
tweedlealice
 
Leave and file for divorce. Your husband is emotionally and physically abusive with you and your son. Abusers do not change; they are sociopaths. The first time a romantic partner intentionally harms you, you leave. (And yes, pulling your arm and purposely stepping on your foot because you are blocking him from the booze are instances of physical abuse.)

Please read this letter from the U.S. bishops.

usccb.org/issues-and-action/marriage-and-family/marriage/domestic-violence/when-i-call-for-help.cfm

And here is Cardinal Wuerl from last October

cardinalsblog.adw.org/2014/10/domestic-violence-awareness-month/
 
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