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I really tried, I am being honest here, I really tried, but I just simply cannot accept some Catholic Dogmas. Before anyone criticises me let me say that I DO understand these Catholic Dogmas, I just simply cannot accept them. I read a lot from all sides, Catholic, Non-Catholic and “neutral”. I read a lot of Catholic Apologists etc. But based on all I have read and studied I simply cannot accept certain Catholic Dogmas because as far as I can see they do not find any support from History or the Biblical witness. They are the following Dogmas:
  1. Papal Primacy AND Jurisdiction
  2. Papal Infallibility
  3. Catholic Soteriology IE the Council of Trent and the Catholic Dogmas and teaching on “Justification”
  4. Purgatory
I firmly believe that the Magisterial Reformation was right on the Doctrine on “Justifiaction” that their position is the Biblical one and that the Council of Trent rejected and anathemised the Biblical and Pauline teaching on Justification.

I reject Purgatory because it mocks the Passion and Death of Our Lord Jesus Christ and what He did for us.

Under these circumstances I don’t see how I can remain in the Catholic Church. My Parish Priest knows I have “issues” with these Dogmas and urges me to stay but I really can’t see myself accepting these Catholic Dogmas in the near future.Let me just re-emphasise that I DO UNDERSTAND those Dogmas, I simply cannot accept them So I ask both the Catholics and non-Catholics to respond and give me your (name removed by moderator)ut/advice etc. What should I do?
 
I would look at those faiths very close to the one you now have but not be in any hurry to leave you church until you’ve studied and really given it big time consideration. You may very well find out you are where you should be. If your “objections” remain learn more about other faiths. On the surface, you views look to have somewhat of a Lutheran tilt to them.
 
You are embarking on a lonely journey, where only your own intellect will “reveal” to you what is true and what is false. You are cutting yourself loose from the teachings and graces and wisdom of the Church in favor of your own personal church, where you are the pope and only member, and where you will struggle with and change your beliefs down the years until you die. Doesn’t sound like an attractive option to me.
 
It’s very difficult because if someone doesn’t accept a particular teaching of the Church, I have to assume they don’t understand. All of these teachings from from an understanding of the written word of God. These teachings are a continuance of the sacred tradition that Jesus himself instituted. 👍
  1. Papal Primacy AND Jurisdiction
What are your specific issues with this? The Pope is the descendant of St. Peter. Jesus appointed St. Peter himself to do that the time the exact same thing our Pope today does. 🙂
  1. Papal Infallibility
In the very rare times the pope speaks infallibly he speaks with the absolute authority of God. Do you have any issues with anything that was proclaimed ex cathedra? Without evidence to suggest that the infallable declarations were wrong, how can you not accept it? :cool:
  1. Catholic Soteriology IE the Council of Trent and the Catholic Dogmas and teaching on “Justification”
Councils are more to clarify certain things. Or to target certain issues. They don’t get together and just make stuff up. What about “Justificaiton” do you specifically have issues with? :confused:
  1. Purgatory
This is Biblical. How does it mock the passion? Christ died so that we could be saved, not to purge our souls of every stain of sin. :confused:
 
I really tried, I am being honest here, I really tried, but I just simply cannot accept some Catholic Dogmas. Before anyone criticises me let me say that I DO understand these Catholic Dogmas, I just simply cannot accept them. I read a lot from all sides, Catholic, Non-Catholic and “neutral”. I read a lot of Catholic Apologists etc. But based on all I have read and studied I simply cannot accept certain Catholic Dogmas because as far as I can see they do not find any support from History or the Biblical witness. They are the following Dogmas:
  1. Papal Primacy AND Jurisdiction
  2. Papal Infallibility
  3. Catholic Soteriology IE the Council of Trent and the Catholic Dogmas and teaching on “Justification”
  4. Purgatory
I firmly believe that the Magisterial Reformation was right on the Doctrine on “Justifiaction” that their position is the Biblical one and that the Council of Trent rejected and anathemised the Biblical and Pauline teaching on Justification.

I reject Purgatory because it mocks the Passion and Death of Our Lord Jesus Christ and what He did for us.

Under these circumstances I don’t see how I can remain in the Catholic Church. My Parish Priest knows I have “issues” with these Dogmas and urges me to stay but I really can’t see myself accepting these Catholic Dogmas in the near future.Let me just re-emphasise that I DO UNDERSTAND those Dogmas, I simply cannot accept them So I ask both the Catholics and non-Catholics to respond and give me your (name removed by moderator)ut/advice etc. What should I do?
Firstly, no one has the right to interpret Scripture except those to whom Christ gave that authority–the Magisterium. Your really issue is authority and who has it not how does the Church view certain dogmas.

If the Catholic Church was founded by Christ then it is right and you are wrong and all Protestants who reject the Church’s teachings are wrong. It is not up to us to pick and choose which doctrines/dogmas we will accept/reject. It’s the whole enchilada or nothing because it is Christ’s teaching not mans’.

St. Paul would be appalled to think anyone would question the authority of the Apostles. That idea would have been completely foreign to him. He submitted his apostleship to that of Peter and the other Apostles. He in no way set up a rival interpretation of Christ’s teachings.

If you leave the Church you leave behind true authority and much more–especially the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. You will be trading in all that for a “mess of pottage”. Something I believe you would come to regret.
 
I really tried, I am being honest here, I really tried, but I just simply cannot accept some Catholic Dogmas. Before anyone criticises me let me say that I DO understand these Catholic Dogmas, I just simply cannot accept them.
Don’t know if this helps, but just wanted you to know that you are not alone. I went through RCIA right up until the week before Easter before I finally admitted to myself that I was doing it for the wrong reason (an attempt at family harmony) and that I actually believed very little of it. Like you, I noticed that most people, when you tell them that you are having trouble believing, try to tell you that “you just don’t understand.” Hogwash…I understand it, I just don’t believe it.

Then, after you finally convince them that you DO have understanding, just not belief, someone gives you a load of dung like this:
Firstly, no one has the right to interpret Scripture except those to whom Christ gave that authority–the Magisterium. Your really issue is authority and who has it not how does the Church view certain dogmas.

If the Catholic Church was founded by Christ then it is right and you are wrong and all Protestants who reject the Church’s teachings are wrong. It is not up to us to pick and choose which doctrines/dogmas we will accept/reject. It’s the whole enchilada or nothing because it is Christ’s teaching not mans’.

St. Paul would be appalled to think anyone would question the authority of the Apostles. That idea would have been completely foreign to him. He submitted his apostleship to that of Peter and the other Apostles. He in no way set up a rival interpretation of Christ’s teachings.

If you leave the Church you leave behind true authority and much more–especially the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. You will be trading in all that for a “mess of pottage”. Something I believe you would come to regret.
 
I understand how you feel. I too do not agree with the Catholic Church, but I also disagree with the Protestants. You must choose for yourself through much study and inward reflection.

“work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” Phil 2:12

One thing is for sure, you must not stay where you are.

“Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.” 2 Thess 3:6

“And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.” 2 Thess 3:14

“Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed” 2 John 8-10

“If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.” 1 Tim 6:3-5

“A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.” Tit 3:10-11

Also, you should not go to just any church. You must have true doctrine.

“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.” Rom 16:17

“For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine.” 1 Tim 1:10

“If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.” 1 Tim 4:6

“Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.” 1 Tim 4:16

“Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.” Tit 1:9

“In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine [shewing] uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity, Sound speech, that cannot be condemned” Tit 2:7-8

You must seek out truth. If you have an earnest heart, the Father shall open the door for you. If you wish, I can give you my email and we can talk about the gospel together.
 
Don’t know if this helps, but just wanted you to know that you are not alone. I went through RCIA right up until the week before Easter before I finally admitted to myself that I was doing it for the wrong reason (an attempt at family harmony) and that I actually believed very little of it. Like you, I noticed that most people, when you tell them that you are having trouble believing, try to tell you that “you just don’t understand.” Hogwash…I understand it, I just don’t believe it.

Then, after you finally convince them that you DO have understanding, just not belief, someone gives you a load of dung like this:
Excuse me, but I was addressing a fellow, troubled Catholic who apparently has no idea what the Church really is and what its really all about. If you don’t agree, fine, but don’t imply that a Catholic doesn’t have the right and duty to warn a fellow Catholic what they can expect or to tell them the truth. One of the seven acts of spiritual charity is to warn someone when they are going off the rails. Telling the truth doesn’t mean not loving. Just ask anyone who has had to help a friend step back from making a big mistake that would ruin their lives for years to come (if not for eternity) and then judge what is right to say and what isn’t.
 
Kotek, you have asked for suggestions for what you should do, so I will humbly offer mine: please stay with the Church. Pray and fast while asking for God’s enlightenment. Spend time with the Eucharist. Ask God to help you with your doubts. What VociMike said so eloquently is absolutely true:
You are embarking on a lonely journey, where only your own intellect will “reveal” to you what is true and what is false. You are cutting yourself loose from the teachings and graces and wisdom of the Church in favor of your own personal church, where you are the pope and only member, and where you will struggle with and change your beliefs down the years until you die. Doesn’t sound like an attractive option to me.
I have a friend who joined the Church along with me years ago, then she left about a year after her first communion. Nothing we could do or say would encourage her to stay and work through it. She has been wandering around visiting different faith traditions for years now. She’ll go to a Baptist church for a few months, then she’ll try the Methodists, then a “non-denominational” church, sometimes she goes nowhere at all. She complains that she feels lost, alone and confused. Like VociMike mentioned, this path she is on has caused her to struggle with and change her beliefs over the years because (again as VociMike said) her own intellect reveals what is true and false to her. Her beliefs can be subject to something as ephemeral as the emotional experience she had in a Sunday service. God never intended us to wander aimlessly like that.

I have intentionally stayed in touch with her through all these years because I want her to have a thread that can lead her back to the Church. She does sometimes join me at Mass, and she always expresses regrets that she ever left the Church. She says she is so confused now that she thinks she can never return. I will continue to assure her that she CAN come back, but sometimes I despair that she ever will.

It is not a perfect allegory, but someone once described our relationship with the Church like one of marriage. There may be times when you disagree, but you cannot just throw up your hands and walk out the door. We are all one body, all part of each other. You will be wounded by leaving the Church, as much as the Church will be wounded by losing you. The Church IS the repository of the truth. I will be praying earnestly that you will heed the advice of your priest, who cares for you and is concerned for your soul, and stay with the Church.

Please reconsider your predisposition to leave. I do not think that walking alone into the miasma of confused faith traditions is going to give you the peace you are seeking.

You asked for our (name removed by moderator)ut and advice. Here is mine: You are a brother in the Lord, a part of the Bride of Christ. PLEASE STAY!!!
 
I really tried, I am being honest here, I really tried, but I just simply cannot accept some Catholic Dogmas. Before anyone criticises me let me say that I DO understand these Catholic Dogmas, I just simply cannot accept them. I read a lot from all sides, Catholic, Non-Catholic and “neutral”. I read a lot of Catholic Apologists etc. But based on all I have read and studied I simply cannot accept certain Catholic Dogmas because as far as I can see they do not find any support from History or the Biblical witness. They are the following Dogmas:
  1. Papal Primacy AND Jurisdiction
  2. Papal Infallibility
  3. Catholic Soteriology IE the Council of Trent and the Catholic Dogmas and teaching on “Justification”
  4. Purgatory
I firmly believe that the Magisterial Reformation was right on the Doctrine on “Justifiaction” that their position is the Biblical one and that the Council of Trent rejected and anathemised the Biblical and Pauline teaching on Justification.

I reject Purgatory because it mocks the Passion and Death of Our Lord Jesus Christ and what He did for us.

Under these circumstances I don’t see how I can remain in the Catholic Church. My Parish Priest knows I have “issues” with these Dogmas and urges me to stay but I really can’t see myself accepting these Catholic Dogmas in the near future.Let me just re-emphasise that I DO UNDERSTAND those Dogmas, I simply cannot accept them So I ask both the Catholics and non-Catholics to respond and give me your (name removed by moderator)ut/advice etc. What should I do?
I don’t see how you could possibly reach ANY of the ‘conclusions’ you seem to have reached. So your ‘understanding’ is flawed.

Pray. Pray and do penance.

I have my own problems with Holy Mother Church, but how can I turn my back on what I now know to be the truth, no matter how squirmy it makes me?
 
I reject Purgatory because it mocks the Passion and Death of Our Lord Jesus Christ and what He did for us.
Oh no, it doesn’t mock the Passion at all!

Saint Paul mentions in the first book of the Corinthians that there are sins that, if committed and not repented of, will cause us to lose the reward of heaven: “…those people will not inherit the kingdom of God.” These are sins such as adultery, habitual drunkenness, theft, and murder. Saint John says that there are sins that are “mortal” (“lead to death”) and sins that are not mortal and do not lead to death. In Revelation, it says that only the pure and only the perfect can stand in the presence of God. If you were to die with stains of sin on your soul, there would be no other place to go but Hell if it weren’t for Purgatory.

This quote from Saint Paul’s letter to the Colossians may surprise you:

Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church.

~ Colossians 1:24, Douay-Rheims Bible

Other translations mention that Saint Paul suffered to fill up what was “lacking in the afflictions of Christ”.

Purgatory is one of the many examples of God’s mercy. It doesn’t mock His Passion in the least.
 
I really tried, I am being honest here, I really tried, but I just simply cannot accept some Catholic Dogmas. Before anyone criticises me let me say that I DO understand these Catholic Dogmas, I just simply cannot accept them. I read a lot from all sides, Catholic, Non-Catholic and “neutral”. I read a lot of Catholic Apologists etc. But based on all I have read and studied I simply cannot accept certain Catholic Dogmas because as far as I can see they do not find any support from History or the Biblical witness.

Under these circumstances I don’t see how I can remain in the Catholic Church. My Parish Priest knows I have “issues” with these Dogmas and urges me to stay but I really can’t see myself accepting these Catholic Dogmas in the near future.Let me just re-emphasise that I DO UNDERSTAND those Dogmas, I simply cannot accept them So I ask both the Catholics and non-Catholics to respond and give me your (name removed by moderator)ut/advice etc. What should I do?
Already you have heard from excellent Catholic Apologists and from at least one proselyte, Ultimately it will be up to you. God be with you through it all. Carlan
 
As I am new to the Catholic faith (and I spent my whole life as either atheist or agnostic) a lot of the teachings of the Church at first befuddled me. So, instead of rejecting anything the Church has taught, I approached it two ways:
  1. I resolved to never oppose the Cathechism
  2. I prayed about it, and asked God to align my reasoning with His reasoning…which of course is infallable.
I have found that over time, things I thought I’d never accept…such as Papal Infallability…actually are not that hard to accept. For that particular case, you have to trust that the Holy Spirit will not allow the Pope to be in error when he proclaims something like that. It’s not that we think the Pope is incapable of error, but that we trust that the Holy Spirit is.

I spent years trying to use my intellect to figure out the Divine, and it is impossible. The Divine is eternal, infinite, and beyond mere Human comprehension. I look at the Lord thusly:
  1. If He moved me to come to the Faith after so many years of mocking and reviling the Holy Trinity, then the love of God is infinite and freely given.
  2. God is always looking for ways to save us. He isn’t a celestial judge with a ledger, eagerly noting our failings to have a reason to damn us. I found this out when I confessed several very hateful things I had said about God to the priest at the parish I attend. The priest told me that God can do anything, therefore He can forgive anything. He told me that I wouldn’t be seeking Him so earnestly if He had turned from me. Then he told me the most amazing thing. That if, after I confessed a sin, I were to ask Jesus about it, Jesus would smile and say, “What sin?” Because He doesn’t hold onto our past. He wants us with him in eternal life.
  3. It’s okay to not understand everything. We are only human. That was hard for me at first because I’m driven to understand everything. I’m taking things slowly. At the moment I’m learning to pray. When I feel that I’ve got that down, I am going to move to the rosary. Then I’ll keep going, one thing at a time. The Church has such an incredible framework. Every question has an answer, every answer has a reason, and every reason is based either directly from the Bible or from Sacred Tradition. I do not mean to insult any protestants here, but I can tell you that any non-Catholic church I attended, I eventually ran into the “Because we said so,” answer to a question. The Church never does this. The Church refers to the Words of Christ, the Apostles, the early Church fathers, the Doctors of the Church, etc.
Finally (as I’ve posted many times before) I always try to follow the advice of Pope John XXIII. He said:

Seek what unites, not what divides.

I’d urge you to apply this to your current struggle with the teachings of the Church. Whatever divides you, pray on it. I will add you to my prayers.

Trust in Him.
 
I don’t see how you could possibly reach ANY of the ‘conclusions’ you seem to have reached. So your ‘understanding’ is flawed.
See? It happens every time. You can’t disbelieve. You can only misunderstand.

Absolute madness. :banghead:
 
I am sorry, but this is not making any sense to me.

Many of you are taking the response: “The Church is NEVER wrong so you must be wrong.” When you say “your understanding is flawed,” you are really saying “we are right and you are an idiot.” It is up to him to find the Truth. If he searches in earnest with zeal, the Lord shall give it to him.

Praying is the answer yes, but so is searching the Scriptures.

Praying is you talking to God and reading is God talking to you. If you only pray or only read, then it is like a one-sided conversation.

Remember that there were wolves amongst the ecclesias of the Apostles when they actually had the wisdom and words of the Apostles! They were spreading false doctrine when the Apostles were alive, so imagine what happened when they had died.

Moses lifted up a brass seraph in the desert that healed the people of the venom from the serpents sent by the wrath of God. This brass seraph was a symbol for Christ. But what happened to it when Hezekiah found people worshipping it? He destroyed and called it a piece of brass. The things of God may be corrupted by the sinfulness of man. Man is fallable and he is even more fallable when he claims infallability. The only thing that is infallable is the Scriptures. Trust in the Word of God. Do not put your trust in men or councils or clergies.
 
I am sorry, but this is not making any sense to me.

Many of you are taking the response: “The Church is NEVER wrong so you must be wrong.” When you say “your understanding is flawed,” you are really saying “we are right and you are an idiot.” It is up to him to find the Truth. If he searches in earnest with zeal, the Lord shall give it to him.

Praying is the answer yes, but so is searching the Scriptures.

Praying is you talking to God and reading is God talking to you. If you only pray or only read, then it is like a one-sided conversation.
And yet the Bereans searched scripture daily and only some of them accepted the gospel from the Apostles’ very mouths. And some Greeks also accepted the gospel without searching scripture. So searching scripture is not, and has never been, a guarantee of discerning truth from falsehood.
 
See? It happens every time. You can’t disbelieve. You can only misunderstand.

Absolute madness. :banghead:
Stop, you’ll hurt yourself! 😃

As a former atheist, I certainly know one can disbelieve. It’s foolish to claim otherwise. I think the best advice to give anyone who disbelieves something is that they should apply the same standards that they apply to that which they disbelieve, to that which they do believe. And that, in my experience, is almost never the case.
 
A lot of people didn’t believe Jesus’ teaching on eating his body and blood, and they left too…

I personally hope you don’t leave the church…

Because as long as you believe that teaching I mentioned nothing else matters. Why would you go anywhere else?

“Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.”

John 6:53
 
I really tried, I am being honest here, I really tried, but I just simply cannot accept some Catholic Dogmas. Before anyone criticises me let me say that I DO understand these Catholic Dogmas, I just simply cannot accept them. I read a lot from all sides, Catholic, Non-Catholic and “neutral”. I read a lot of Catholic Apologists etc. But based on all I have read and studied I simply cannot accept certain Catholic Dogmas because as far as I can see they do not find any support from History or the Biblical witness. They are the following Dogmas:
  1. Papal Primacy AND Jurisdiction
  2. Papal Infallibility
  3. Catholic Soteriology IE the Council of Trent and the Catholic Dogmas and teaching on “Justification”
  4. Purgatory
I firmly believe that the Magisterial Reformation was right on the Doctrine on “Justifiaction” that their position is the Biblical one and that the Council of Trent rejected and anathemised the Biblical and Pauline teaching on Justification.

I reject Purgatory because it mocks the Passion and Death of Our Lord Jesus Christ and what He did for us.

Under these circumstances I don’t see how I can remain in the Catholic Church. My Parish Priest knows I have “issues” with these Dogmas and urges me to stay but I really can’t see myself accepting these Catholic Dogmas in the near future.Let me just re-emphasise that I DO UNDERSTAND those Dogmas, I simply cannot accept them So I ask both the Catholics and non-Catholics to respond and give me your (name removed by moderator)ut/advice etc. What should I do?
I notice that your post count is rather small…

Would you like to go through these things slowly and carefully just to be sure that you haven’t missed anything?

It couldn’t hurt, could it? 🤷
 
And yet the Bereans searched scripture daily and only some of them accepted the gospel from the Apostles’ very mouths. And some Greeks also accepted the gospel without searching scripture. So searching scripture is not, and has never been, a guarantee of discerning truth from falsehood.
First of all I would like to thank all those who responded to this thread. So now let’s get down to the “details”

1.Papal Primacy. Before you all start quoting tons of out of context quotes from the Early Church Fathers let me say that NONE of the early Fathers held to the Primacy of Jurisdiction of the Bishop of Rome. MOST of the Early Fathers DID NOT give Mat 16:18 the Papal Interpretation of this verse. They said that the “Rock” was either Christ Himself or Peter’s confession, not Peter.
In the Canons of the Council of Nicea each Bishop and Patriarch only had jurisdiction in his own See. No Bishop was to interfere in the See of another Bishop, this INCLUDED the Bishop of Rome.
In the beginning the Church was a loosely knit group of semi-independent Congregations under the Apostles and led by men appointed by them and were more or less independent and managed their own local affairs led by a plurality of “Presbyters” (Elders) and Deacons. For example in a recently published book by Peter Lampe “From Paul to Valentinius: Christians at Rome in the First Two Centuries”, an exhaustive ,detailed and painstakingly researched study of the Church in Rome from the time of St. Paul to 200 AD, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Church in Rome not only was not the “See of Peter” where Peter and his successors ruled the entire “Catholic Church” as the center of a Universal Papacy as we understand it today, Rome did not even have a single Monarchial Bishop who governed even the Church in Rome until the close of the 2cnd Century. Rome was not the exception, the whole concept of a single Monarchial Bishop who governed over a set group of Churches in any geographic area was a slow and gradual development. It came about not by any “Divine Mandate” but rather for practical reasons of organisation and administration and to safeguard the Church from Heresy. Many will cite men like Clement or Ignatius to “prove” their position, but what are the FACTS?The facts are that Clement was not a Bishop, but one of at least twelve “Presbyters” who oversaw the Church in Rome as a plurality. One could say that Clement was the person in charge with communicating with Churches outside of Rome, sort of a “Secretary of External Affairs and Communications”. What about Ignatius? We know very little about the “real” Ignatius except that perhaps he was an educated layman and not a :Bishop. The “letters” attributed to him were written long after his time by a pseudonymous and anonymous author or authors between 250-350 AD. These aren’t the opinions of “Anti-Catholics” but the accepted facts that most Historians agree on. Actually some of them are Catholics.

2.Papal Infallibility: I suggest one reads **“Origins of Papal Infallibility 1150-1350: A Study on the Concepts of Infallibility, Sovereignty, and Tradition in the Middle Ages” **by Brian Tierny. He is not an “Anti-Catholic crank” but a respected Catholic Historian. Also **“How the Pope Became Infallible: Pius IX and the Politics of Persuasion” **by August Bernhard Hasler who was a Catholic Historian and a Priest and worked in the Vatican Archives and taught in University.

3.Purgatory: The origins of Purgatory is not Apostolic. Purgatory came from the Pagan world as Christianity spread among the Gentiles. The origins of Purgatory are to found in Graeco-Roman Philosophy and Pagan Mythology. As Christianity spread influences from those Pagan cultures infiltrated into the Church gradually. Even the Jews were affected by this earlier when the Greek Empire spread to Judea. By the time of the Maccabees many Jews had been influenced by these same Philosophical and Pagan ideas. Once this idea of some “Purgatory” began to take hold in Christian circles it snow-balled from there and took on a “Christian Hue” and was boosted by alleged “visions” especially alleged “visions” that Pope Gregory had in the 6th century. The whole tenor of the New Testament and what it says about what Jesus did for us, the Grace of God and Salvation is against any place, state, or process of Purgatory after death. I maintain that the whole concept of Purgatory mocks what Christ accomplished for us.

4.Justification: Anyone who carefully studies this will see that in the OT and NT “Justify” means “to Declare Righteous” not “make Righteous”, especially in St. Paul’s Epistles. St Augustine who did not know Hebrew and did not understand Koine Greek mistranslated “Justify/Justification using the Latin which means to “make Righteous” . It wasn’t until Greek NT manuscripts along with proper lexical studies of those manuscripts in Western Europe in the late 14th and early 15th Century that this error was discovered by Erasmus and other Scholars.

This is just a brief overview of why I cannot accept those Catholic Dogmas, trust I studied this carefully over the last two years because I really do want to know the truth. BTW I am not an “Amateur Armchair Historian”, I am a Historian with a degree in History as well as teaching so I am well acquainted with Historical research, method, and methodology.
 
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