I Say Support What We Are Doing

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From a soldier in Iraq:

Joe or Sally know it all, sitting back in the States, sipping on a four dollar latte from Starbucks, would wrongfully interpret this as a major problem confronting every soldier or Marine over here. These same people profess their undying love and support for the men and women in uniform, but are quick to point out their hatred for the war. I say love both. Not necessarily the inherent violent, chaotic, and destructive side of war, but the war we are now waging to win the peace and nurture a democratic Iraq. I say support not only us, but what we are doing over here as well. After all, if you don’t support the good things we’re doing, criticizing everything we do in turn, then in my humble, doesn’t matter opinion, you aren’t supporting us either. Oh, the pseudo intellectual elite, they’re so blinded by their supposed intellect and open mindedness, they fail to realize how clouded their judgement actually is.

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Gilliam, I am sorry to tell you this, but you are hitting your head against the wall. If 9-11 didn’t wake these people up to the fact that we are at war, support of our troops isn’t going to do it either. Too many Americans have spent their lives distrusting anything but their own intellectual hubris, that they are unable to see beyond their nose.
 
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SnorterLuster:
Gilliam, I am sorry to tell you this, but you are hitting your head against the wall. If 9-11 didn’t wake these people up to the fact that we are at war, support of our troops isn’t going to do it either. Too many Americans have spent their lives distrusting anything but their own intellectual hubris, that they are unable to see beyond their nose.
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One problem we have is so few of us now have any military experience at all. Things like humping 90 lbs or more of gear in 100-degree heat, trying to find a way to sleep dry when it’s a degree above freezing and there’s a drizzling rain, or lying out on ambush all night are completely foreign to them.

Then look on the men and women who do these things as “hired help” and common labor. They have no connection with them, and cannot understand why they must do what they do.
 
vern humphrey:
Then look on the men and women who do these things as “hired help” and common labor. They have no connection with them, and cannot understand why they must do what they do.
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Actually, as they tell you in their more honest moments, they think soldiers are fools.
 
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gilliam:
Actually, as they tell you in their more honest moments, they think soldiers are fools.
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And they dispise them. As far as they’re concerned, the more of our soldiers who die, the better for them and their agenda.
 
They are ignorant with short term and selective memories. To so easily forget the attack against America and our values is reprehensible. It is sick and self-centered! We are at war. We need to be at war to protect America and its values (although it seems that the media, legislators, judicial system, and the politically correct today are trying to take away/ change our values). Here in America we are in a slightly different war…the media and ___ vs Americas tradition and moral values. Thus, we saw the red and blue states, but it is much deeper. Well…there I go straying off subject. The bottom line is that I believe that it is morally wrong to undermine America’s troups and their leadership.Bob
 
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trailblazer:
They are ignorant with short term and selective memories. To so easily forget the attack against America and our values is reprehensible. It is sick and self-centered! We are at war. We need to be at war to protect America and its values (although it seems that the media, legislators, judicial system, and the politically correct today are trying to take away/ change our values). Here in America we are in a slightly different war…the media and ___ vs Americas tradition and moral values. Thus, we saw the red and blue states, but it is much deeper. Well…there I go straying off subject. The bottom line is that I believe that it is morally wrong to undermine America’s troups and their leadership.Bob
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I agree with you a hundred percent.

I keep quoting the poet Bion – “Boys throw stones at frogs in sport, but the frogs do not die in sport but in earnest.”

It is great sport for these people to sneer and attack our leadership. But in the process, they encourage the enemy to keep fighting in hopes of an internal political collapse of the United States. And the troops who die because of that do not die in sport but in earnest.

I will do everything I can to keep them from doing to this generation of American soldiers what they did to my generation.
 
…911 and Bin-Laden are Afganistan or just him and his crownies… Iraq is not 911… you guys keep trying to justify our unprovoked attack on Iraq on 911… it’s not selling to anyone that reads…

…you don’t support what you know is wrong…

i am telling you… the king has no clothes… one day you will see… i hope…
 
For those unaware of this debating technique, you create a problem, in this case, “criticizing everything we do in turn,” and then you knock it down. Others then chime in to say what a terrible thing it is and the piling on begins.

This post uses this technique by talking about those “criticizing everything we do in turn.” The problem is that no examples are given of mass numbers of people “criticizing everything we do in turn” and it appeals to anti-intellectualism with it’s vague criticism of the “pseudo intellectual elite.”

When politicians wrap themselves with the military it’s with a mind to use criticism of policy as criticism of the military. Recognize the manipulativeness of the government and you’ll be better off for it.
 
space ghost:
…911 and Bin-Laden are Afganistan or just him and his crownies… Iraq is not 911… you guys keep trying to justify our unprovoked attack on Iraq on 911… it’s not selling to anyone that reads…

…you don’t support what you know is wrong…

i am telling you… the king has no clothes… one day you will see… i hope…
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It’s not a war against 9/11. It’s a war against international terrorism. It happens that one of the major supporters of terrorism had a bad habit of invading his neighbors. As a result, we had to kick him out of a country he invaded. The resulting truce placed certain obligations on him – obligations which he defaulted on, while aiding terrorists.
 
space ghost:
i am telling you… the king has no clothes… one day you will see… i hope…
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I will tell you that you are wrong and you could be very wrong.
When I went to Washington DC in Dec. I went to the Spy Museum. They had a special attraction that gave a history of terrorism in the modern world. If you think that terrorism will go away any time soon, I suggest you visit this attraction. We have never been without terrorism and it is on the increase. I would think that most would be relieved by our strong military instead of wanting to run in down.
 
I am not sure how many of the readers out there understand what it feels like to be doing their duty and to be abused by the very vocal public. I am proud to say I served during Viet Nam. (no I did not go over I was Air Force Support and female). I was stationed just ourside San Francisco from 1965 through 1968 and it was not a nice experience.
At the time if we traveled we were required to wear our uniform. The airport was like traveling a gaultlent. We had eggs thrown at us, names yelled at us (baby killers, murders, wh…s, and many others), we were spit upon and this was an everyday thing.
Our jobs were to provide security, incryption, send notices of transfer to and from Nam and many other things. The Base I was at no longer exists. It was a retirement post where those that had served most of their 20/30 would and could serve the last year prior to retirement.
I had many friends that came back from Nam badly wounded or in boxes. I do not feel any one of them served in vain or were a disgrace to this country.
I have made a point to take my children and now my grandchildren to thank any and all service men and women that we see in uniform. For their sacrefice is what makes it possible for us all to protest, worship and earn a good living in freedom.
SORRY BUT I JUST GOT ANGRY. THE BAD DREAMS OF MY PAST REMEMBERINGS ARE SOMETIMES BROUGHT TO THE FRONT OF MY MEMORY WHEN I SEE HOW OUR TROOPS ARE TREATED.
 
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KathleenElsie:
I am not sure how many of the readers out there understand what it feels like to be doing their duty and to be abused by the very vocal public. I am proud to say I served during Viet Nam. (no I did not go over I was Air Force Support and female). I was stationed just ourside San Francisco from 1965 through 1968 and it was not a nice experience.
At the time if we traveled we were required to wear our uniform. The airport was like traveling a gaultlent. We had eggs thrown at us, names yelled at us (baby killers, murders, wh…s, and many others), we were spit upon and this was an everyday thing.
Our jobs were to provide security, incryption, send notices of transfer to and from Nam and many other things. The Base I was at no longer exists. It was a retirement post where those that had served most of their 20/30 would and could serve the last year prior to retirement.
I had many friends that came back from Nam badly wounded or in boxes. I do not feel any one of them served in vain or were a disgrace to this country.
I have made a point to take my children and now my grandchildren to thank any and all service men and women that we see in uniform. For their sacrefice is what makes it possible for us all to protest, worship and earn a good living in freedom.
SORRY BUT I JUST GOT ANGRY. THE BAD DREAMS OF MY PAST REMEMBERINGS ARE SOMETIMES BROUGHT TO THE FRONT OF MY MEMORY WHEN I SEE HOW OUR TROOPS ARE TREATED.
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They also liked to target the wives of men serving in Viet Nam, and apparently thought it was extra points to make a pregnant woman cry. My wife was an Army Nurse during the Viet Nam era, and extended her tour of active duty until I returned from my first tour in Viet Nam. She was pregnant when I left for my second tour, and it was more than 20 years before she would tell me some of the things people did to her.
 
space ghost:
…911 and Bin-Laden are Afganistan or just him and his crownies… Iraq is not 911… you guys keep trying to justify our unprovoked attack on Iraq on 911… it’s not selling to anyone that reads…

…you don’t support what you know is wrong…

i am telling you… the king has no clothes… one day you will see… i hope…
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I am not trying to “justify our unprovoked attack on Iraq”, I am trying to point out that we are in a WAR against Islamic Terrorists. Pearl Harbor, Guadalcanal, North Africa, Sicily, Italy, Normandy and so on were battles in WWII. Afgahnistan and Iraq are battles in the War on Terror. Ghost, if you don’t want to fight this war, you better go shopping for your Koran and prayer rug. The Muslims aren’t going to give up, and I pray to God we don’t give up either. If “you don’t support what you know is wrong…”, you apparently know that the Islamic Terrorists viewed flying into buildings as a one shot deal. If we would have just left them alone after 9-11, they would never attack us again.

“i am telling you… the king has no clothes…” and you are right. The appeasement you are preaching leaves us naked and prostrate against the Islamic onslaught. The Popes and knights didn’t fight the Crusades because the Moors were peacefully moving into the neighboorhood, the Moors were conquering Christian lands with armies. The same thing is happening today. Thank God Geroge Bush was in office instead of Al Gore. President Bush recognized this is a war of civilizations. The barbarians can conquer Rome unless we fight them in their homeland, not ours.
 
vern humphrey:
They also liked to target the wives of men serving in Viet Nam, and apparently thought it was extra points to make a pregnant woman cry. My wife was an Army Nurse during the Viet Nam era, and extended her tour of active duty until I returned from my first tour in Viet Nam. She was pregnant when I left for my second tour, and it was more than 20 years before she would tell me some of the things people did to her.
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That is why we should stop the finger pointing over this war:mad: We have soldiers over there,and whether we should or shouldn’t go to war is null and void at this point:nope: The fact is our soldiers are fighting for us and we need to support them:tsktsk:
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
That is why we should stop the finger pointing over this war:mad: We have soldiers over there,and whether we should or shouldn’t go to war is null and void at this point:nope: The fact is our soldiers are fighting for us and we need to support them:tsktsk:
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:amen:

The only person I ever talked about my experiences with is my husband. He would just hold me and allow me to cry if I needed to.

Please stop the finger pointing and support the troops.
 
9-11 and Iraq - well I can take the subway down and see the hole, and I and most others in this city are against terrorism, and against the war in Iraq. Saddam is not Bin Laden (I moved to the city after 9/11, but not that far after it. Ground Zero is a part of every New Yorker’s mind, even if just off the margins of consciousness.)

But let’s take a step back from the emotion of the situation for a second. What exactly are you saying? That once the war starts, our political leaders have a blank check, we must support everything they do, even if we believe it’s wrong? Come on, this is a democracy, not a monarchy. If you believe the war is wrong, the patriotic thing to do is to loudly say so and provide your reasons for it. And don’t give me this “you’re attacking our troops” nonesense. The troops don’t declare war, the politicians do. Supporting our fellow citizens sent overseas does NOT mean giving the politicians a blank check.
 
vern humphrey:
One problem we have is so few of us now have any military experience at all. Things like humping 90 lbs or more of gear in 100-degree heat, trying to find a way to sleep dry when it’s a degree above freezing and there’s a drizzling rain, or lying out on ambush all night are completely foreign to them.

Then look on the men and women who do these things as “hired help” and common labor. They have no connection with them, and cannot understand why they must do what they do.
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For anyone who would like to do something to support the troops, check out Books for Soldiers at:
booksforsoldiers.com/

They have fora with requests for books from military serving in Irq and elsewhere around the world. There is a $12 fee to join and you must reside in the US.

OR Operation Paperback at:
operationpaperback.usmilitarysupport.org/

There is no joining fee. You get your books ready to go, send them an e-mail and they’ll send you soldiers’ addreses to send them to.
 
Philip P said:
9-11 and Iraq - well I can take the subway down and see the hole, and I and most others in this city are against terrorism, and against the war in Iraq. Saddam is not Bin Laden (I moved to the city after 9/11, but not that far after it. Ground Zero is a part of every New Yorker’s mind, even if just off the margins of consciousness.)

But let’s take a step back from the emotion of the situation for a second. What exactly are you saying? That once the war starts, our political leaders have a blank check, we must support everything they do, even if we believe it’s wrong? Come on, this is a democracy, not a monarchy. If you believe the war is wrong, the patriotic thing to do is to loudly say so and provide your reasons for it. And don’t give me this “you’re attacking our troops” nonesense. The troops don’t declare war, the politicians do. Supporting our fellow citizens sent overseas does NOT mean giving the politicians a blank check.
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This is not about politicians:mad: You talk about say it loudly:mad: When people loved ones are fighting for us and dying for us:tsktsk: A blank check:eek: People are fighting and dying over there!!!It is about supporting our troops and their familys’!You don’t mind hollering about the the war being unjust and these soldiers are in combat watching their friends die!The family hoping they do not get the dreaded knock saying their loved one is dead,and your excuse is free speech and blank checks!For shame:tsktsk:
 
The only person I ever talked about my experiences with is my husband. He would just hold me and allow me to cry if I needed to.

Please stop the finger pointing and support the troops.
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I am sorry you guys had to go through that:crying: God Bless you,Lisa
 
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