I think ALL Christians Can Unite On This!

[Eric_Hyom]

You are incorrect, it is Trinitarian.

Doctrine divides, love unites, and the greatest commandments are a greatest expression of love.

Can the trinity possibly hang and depend on the greatest commandments? Can the greatest commandments possibly describe how Christ is one with the Father?

When Jesus spent his time on Earth he would have lived by these commandments.

Jesus loves God the Father with all his heart, soul, mind and strength.
Jesus loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

Does God the Father respond to this love?

God the Father loves God the Son, with all his heart, soul, mind and strength.
God the Father loves each and everyone of us as he loves himself.

Can God the Father or Son love us more than they love themselves.

Can the spirit be the power of God’s love working through the greatest commandments?

This passage links the spirit and the greatest commandments…
1 Samuel 18

1 Jonathan became one in spirit with David, and he loved him as himself

Can Christian Unity hang and depend on the greatest commandments?

Blessings

Eric

 

[Swiss_Guy]

That’s awesome! I myself am 19 years old and became catholic at 18. I found everything on my own through constant prayer, research, and talks with those who I knew to be faithful. I explored and researched every form of Christianity and religion and finally came into the catholic church. So keep exploring man, you’ll find what you’re looking for and even more!

Sounds a lot like me!

Except I’m not Catholic.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

You are incorrect, it is Trinitarian.

VERY Trinitarian.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

Doctrine divides, love unites, and the greatest commandments are a greatest expression of love.

Can the trinity possibly hang and depend on the greatest commandments? Can the greatest commandments possibly describe how Christ is one with the Father?

When Jesus spent his time on Earth he would have lived by these commandments.

Jesus loves God the Father with all his heart, soul, mind and strength.
Jesus loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

Does God the Father respond to this love?

God the Father loves God the Son, with all his heart, soul, mind and strength.
God the Father loves each and everyone of us as he loves himself.

Can God the Father or Son love us more than they love themselves.

Can the spirit be the power of God’s love working through the greatest commandments?

This passage links the spirit and the greatest commandments…
1 Samuel 18

1 Jonathan became one in spirit with David, and he loved him as himself

Can Christian Unity hang and depend on the greatest commandments?

Blessings

Eric

Well, if we all love God, he will lead us to the Truth. So yes, Unity can depend on the greatest commandments. I don’t understand the message of this post (unless I answered it ).

 

[Eric_Hyom]

Well, if we all love God, he will lead us to the Truth.

We can only love God, in the way that we love our neighbour, the two commandments come as one.

How can we love Christians of other denominations as we love ourselves, how can we love people who are different to us, as we love ourselves?
Jesus said the commandments are greatest, so any unity should be strived towards by starting in a greatest way.

How can Christian Unity hang and depend on the greatest commandments?

Blessings

Eriic

 

[PRmerger]

How can Christian Unity hang and depend on the greatest commandments?

It doesn’t. Nor does it need to. We have the entirety of the Deposit of Faith at our disposal, including the Church and Her Sacraments, so we need not hang our hat on any one thing, except. of course, the Divine Word.

 

[hn160]

I agree with your assessment.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

It doesn’t. Nor does it need to. We have the entirety of the Deposit of Faith at our disposal, including the Church and Her Sacraments, so we need not hang our hat on any one thing, except. of course, the Divine Word.

I guess you are right, Christian unity does not hang on the greatest commandments, hence we have no unity. Jesus gave us the Deposit of Faith, the Church and Her Sacraments, but Jesus did not say these were the greatest things we should do.

Jesus gave us the Divine Word and they include the greatest commandments, he did not say they were the greatest suggestions, all the law and the prophets of God hang and depend on these commandments. Surely we need to put these commandments above all things when it comes to unity

Blessings

Eric.

 

[rinnie]

I guess you are right, Christian unity does not hang on the greatest commandments, hence we have no unity. Jesus gave us the Deposit of Faith, the Church and Her Sacraments, but Jesus did not say these were the greatest things we should do.

Jesus gave us the Divine Word and they include the greatest commandments, he did not say they were the greatest suggestions, all the law and the prophets of God hang and depend on these commandments. Surely we need to put these commandments above all things when it comes to unity

Blessings

Eric.

I haven’t had time to read everything so I may have misunderstood this comment. But I believe Christianity does depend on the ten commandments

If you go through them and try to live then and you CAN do so, you are a pretty good Christian.

We are to remember the most important one, that is to love one another as God has loved us.

Then we must live the commandments. That is keep Holy the Lords day which meams go to Church and recieve the Eucharist.

Obey your parents, as we get older repect them.

Worship one God. Etc.But I believe that it is in trying to live them out and obey them is what indeed unites us as Christians no matter what faith we are.

You look at the word CHRISTiam. It means to follow Christ. We only know what we are taught with the Grace gvien to us at this moment, and with the Grace that grows as we grow in Christ.

But what unites us is not our Religion or Faith, what unites us is our LOVE for Christ.

 

[PRmerger]

I guess you are right, Christian unity does not hang on the greatest commandments, hence we have no unity. Jesus gave us the Deposit of Faith, the Church and Her Sacraments, but Jesus did not say these were the greatest things we should do.

Jesus gave us the Divine Word and they include the greatest commandments, he did not say they were the greatest suggestions, all the law and the prophets of God hang and depend on these commandments. Surely we need to put these commandments above all things when it comes to unity

Blessings

Eric.

Your comments, while essentially true, are non-sequiturs, Eric. That is, they do not follow from each other.

It’s like saying:
Grass is green.
Cows eat grass.
Therefore, it’s good to eat beef.

While the above statements are all true, they do not follow from each other.

Thus, while it is true that A) Christian unity is lacking. And it’s true that B) Jesus spoke of the greatest commandment. It does not follow that A is a result of not following B.

 

[amber_lux]

Were the belief in the Trinity not widespread before Nicaea, the bishops would not have voted the way they did.

There were three factions at Nicea. None of them had enough votes on their own, to declare the other two factions to be heretical. So it was a case of choose which heresy to reject, and deal with the other heretics later. The Trinitarian faction was the smallest, and least influential. It was so obviously heretical, that the Modalists concluded it would be easier to work with them, in eliminating the major heresy, and then elimiante that patently obviosu heretical Trinitarians. Unfortunately for the Modalists, the most influential Modalists died shortly after Nicea, and the Trinitarians gained power, and converts in key places. Thus, the Modalists ended up being declared heretical a few church councils later on.

One other point to note: Both the Modalists and Trinitarians at Nicea would consider contemporary Trinitarian theology to be heretical, for the same reason. It advocates the worship of multiple Gods.

Amber

 

[PRmerger]

There were three factions at Nicea. None of them had enough votes on their own, to declare the other two factions to be heretical. So it was a case of choose which heresy to reject, and deal with the other heretics later. The Trinitarian faction was the smallest, and least influential. It was so obviously heretical, that the Modalists concluded it would be easier to work with them, in eliminating the major heresy, and then elimiante that patently obviosu heretical Trinitarians. **Unfortunately for the Modalists, the most influential Modalists died shortly after Nicea, **and the Trinitarians gained power, and converts in key places. Thus, the Modalists ended up being declared heretical a few church councils later on.

One other point to note: Both the Modalists and Trinitarians at Nicea would consider contemporary Trinitarian theology to be heretical, for the same reason. It advocates the worship of multiple Gods.

Amber

Of course the most influential Modalists “died shortly after Nicea.”

It was God’s way of protecting his Church from heresy. In the end, the Truth won out and Nicea turned out just the way God intended: declaring the Trinity.

 

[PRmerger]

One other point to note: Both the Modalists and Trinitarians at Nicea would consider contemporary Trinitarian theology to be heretical, for the same reason. It advocates the worship of multiple Gods.

Amber

Not sure to what you’re referring when you say “contemporary Trinitarian theology”, amber.

Are you talking about Catholic Trinitarian theology, or something by another Christian church?

 

[amber_lux]

Are you talking about Catholic Trinitarian theology, or something by another Christian church?

The Nicene Trinitarians, and Modalists would consider both Catholic Trinitarian theology, and C21 Christian Trinitarian theology to be heresy, for the same reason.

Amber

 

[PRmerger]

The Nicene Trinitarians, and Modalists would consider both Catholic Trinitarian theology, and C21 Christian Trinitarian theology to be heresy, for the same reason.

Amber

I am not understanding you, Amber. Sorry for being obtuse.

Please cite exactly what “contemporary Trinitarian theology” you are referring to, and to what the Nicene Trinitarians would object.

 

[ManOnFire]

I agree with your assessment, and that Christian disunity is really impeding the spreading of the Gospel. If we fight each other, we weaken our fight against secularism.

Secular media seeks to remove love and promote physical and chemical addictions which break up families and create more dependents.

 

[TimothyH]

The sentiments in the original post are wonderful, but quite frankly, they are not enough. Yea, we can all agree on those things but they are not enough, not by a long shot.

It’s a rough road to heaven without the sacraments, not that it isn’t rough with them, but without them, confession particularly…? I don’t know.

And Christ teaches that unless we do the will of the Father, we will not enter heaven. Obedience to the word of God, our willingness to do what it takes to become men of virtue, is key to our salvation.

And what of the intercession of the siants, and of Mary? Intercessory prayer and recourse to our blessed mother are some of our primary weapons.

Without these, it seems like a rough road to hoe.

-Tim-

 

[adrift]

There were three factions at Nicea. None of them had enough votes on their own, to declare the other two factions to be heretical. So it was a case of choose which heresy to reject, and deal with the other heretics later. The Trinitarian faction was the smallest, and least influential. It was so obviously heretical, that the Modalists concluded it would be easier to work with them, in eliminating the major heresy, and then elimiante that patently obviosu heretical Trinitarians. Unfortunately for the Modalists, the most influential Modalists died shortly after Nicea, and the Trinitarians gained power, and converts in key places. Thus, the Modalists ended up being declared heretical a few church councils later on.

One other point to note: Both the Modalists and Trinitarians at Nicea would consider contemporary Trinitarian theology to be heretical, for the same reason. It advocates the worship of multiple Gods.

Amber

Wlhere are you getting your history? You mentioned a first Creed but you haven’t followed up on it. What do you day the first creed was?

 

[system]

Just going to point out that homosexuality is a natural occurence, in not only humans, but animals that also don’t have sex for pleasure. Such as penguins. >_>

So we’re going to have to assume that God, since he decides who people are before they’re born (Alledgedly deciding their looks, and most of their pre-dispositions which pretty much effect who they are) is a complete moron for making homosexuals, and then damning them to hell for their sin unless they apologize for what and who they are.

Or we could assume that your God is perfectly fine and totally cool with homosexuals, and you’re not. In such case, you’re going against God’s plan and upsetting other people whilst you’re at it by implying they’re going to hell. Which pisses God off, or at least I’d imagine would happen.

I mean if I was God and I made a person, and intended for them to be gay, then some asshat comes along and says ‘You’re going to hell’ I’d be pretty pissed off for the misrepresentation.

I think all christians can agree you should love someone, and encourage them as much as possible to be who they want to be since it’s ‘All in god’s plan’.

Not to mention: Do we know if God is gay or straight? Have you personally asked him and gotten an answer?

‘I like your Christ, but I do not like your Christians, your Christians are so unlike your Christ.’

Peace out, brethren.

• Jedodiah Alan Lenapard. Shamanistic.

 

[PRmerger]

So we’re going to have to assume that God, since he decides who people are before they’re born (Alledgedly deciding their looks, and most of their pre-dispositions which pretty much effect who they are) is a complete moron for making homosexuals, and then damning them to hell for their sin unless they apologize for what and who they are.

God does not decide to make someone a homosexual, anymore than he decides to make someone an alcoholic.

That we have a tendency to sin is the fault of our original parents, not the fault of God.