I think ALL Christians Can Unite On This!

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Jedodiah said:
Just going to point out that homosexuality is a natural occurence…
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…as are **many things **- but not false dilemmas, those are man-made.

I edited this post because it was a bit terse, but this logic just kills me.
 
Jedodiah said:
Just going to point out that homosexuality is a natural occurence, in not only humans, but animals that also don’t have sex for pleasure. Such as penguins. >_>

So we’re going to have to assume that God, since he decides who people are before they’re born (Alledgedly deciding their looks, and most of their pre-dispositions which pretty much effect who they are) is a complete moron for making homosexuals, and then damning them to hell for their sin unless they apologize for what and who they are.

Or we could assume that your God is perfectly fine and totally cool with homosexuals, and you’re not. In such case, you’re going against God’s plan and upsetting other people whilst you’re at it by implying they’re going to hell. Which pisses God off, or at least I’d imagine would happen.

I mean if I was God and I made a person, and intended for them to be gay, then some asshat comes along and says ‘You’re going to hell’ I’d be pretty pissed off for the misrepresentation.

I think all christians can agree you should love someone, and encourage them as much as possible to be who they want to be since it’s ‘All in god’s plan’.

Not to mention: Do we know if God is gay or straight? Have you personally asked him and gotten an answer?

‘I like your Christ, but I do not like your Christians, your Christians are so unlike your Christ.’

Peace out, brethren.
  • Jedodiah Alan Lenapard. Shamanistic.
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You raise some great points. I’ve struggled with the discernment of many of them. So here’s my question: Since the board of the Amer. Psych. Assoc. removed homosexuality from being a negative condition (reasons unknown) in 1973 (China and India did not), and the human genome project failed to find a gay gene after sequencing the human genome, and since no university research group is seeking a cause and cure for homosexuality since it has been deemed to no longer be a negative condition, and since several independent researchers are finding a pattern of strong-willed moms and weak or absent dads as a potential cause, then is it logical to deduce that the more often that people see homosexual references in school, media, etc. then it’s incidence will rise???

If so, then it can be learned. If it is learned, then all forms of sex ed should be removed from public schools because it’s up to the parents to decide whether they want their kids’ chances to increase. It’s a personal decision, not one that can or should be made by the govt. Many parents don’t want to promote it if it can be learned. Are those parents born that way? It’s a parallel argument. Fair is fair.

If not, then what’s causing it if no gene has been found?

Or, we could restart university research to find the causes, then free the individual people to decide how to address it rather than have it forced on us by unelected entities that have already predetermined and engineered “the way things ought to be.” Where’s the freedom of choice? Informed consent and Individual choice is best. Those who choose it for themselves get justice. Just don’t force it on unknowing and unconsenting people, especially if it’s unnatural for us, which is the flip side of the argument for those closed minds. We can’t get enlightened without having the answer(s). We can’t get the answer(s) without research. We can’t get research if the small board of directors of the APA deemed it to be “not a problem.” Reasons still unknown. There could be a Depopulation agenda here, without our consent, for all we know. People are begging for enlightenment (answers) and they are being denied. Why is the far left happy to open people’s minds in some directions but not others??
 
amber_lux said:
There were three factions at Nicea. None of them had enough votes on their own, to declare the other two factions to be heretical. So it was a case of choose which heresy to reject, and deal with the other heretics later. The Trinitarian faction was the smallest, and least influential. It was so obviously heretical, that the Modalists concluded it would be easier to work with them, in eliminating the major heresy, and then elimiante that patently obviosu heretical Trinitarians. Unfortunately for the Modalists, the most influential Modalists died shortly after Nicea, and the Trinitarians gained power, and converts in key places. Thus, the Modalists ended up being declared heretical a few church councils later on.

One other point to note: Both the Modalists and Trinitarians at Nicea would consider contemporary Trinitarian theology to be heretical, for the same reason. It advocates the worship of multiple Gods.

Amber
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Read the Nicene Creed again:
We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
By whom all things were made both in heaven and on earth;
Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man;
He suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
And in the Holy Ghost.
But those who say: ‘There was a time when he was not;’ and ‘He was not before he was made;’ and ‘He was made out of nothing,’ or ‘He is of another substance’ or ‘essence,’ or ‘The Son of God is created,’ or ‘changeable,’ or ‘alterable’—they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.
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Now tell me, what looks modalist about the Nicene creed? It is quite clearly a trinitarian Creed, even though it does not affirm the divinity of the Holy Spirit.

Your history of the council of Nicaea is just plain wrong, to be honest. There were not “three factions” there were simply those who supported Arius and those who did not. There was a small faction which attempted to make a compromise, called the homoiousians, but they were quickly rejected by both sides, and the homoiousian party fell apart. The Arian faction in the end only had two bishops and Arius himself, while all of the other Bishops voted for and approved of the Trinitarian confession of faith drafted by the council. Modalism was in fact already regarded as being a heresy by the time of Nicaea.
 
PRmerger said:
Your comments, while essentially true, are non-sequiturs, Eric. That is, they do not follow from each other.

It’s like saying:
Grass is green.
Cows eat grass.
Therefore, it’s good to eat beef.

While the above statements are all true, they do not follow from each other.

Thus, while it is true that A) Christian unity is lacking. And it’s true that B) Jesus spoke of the greatest commandment. It does not follow that A is a result of not following B. 🤷
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How can we love all our Christian brothers and sisters as we love ourselves? Love is unconditional, once you put conditions down, that I can only love the Christian who believe as I do, then the greatest comandments seem compromised.

Peace

Eric
 
Eric_Hyom said:
once you put conditions down, that I can only love the Christian who believe as I do, then the greatest comandments seem compromised.
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It’s very Catholic of you to say this, Eric. 👍

Of course there is no teaching of the Church that states we must only love the Christians who believe as we do.
 
Dndspoon said:
Well yes, technically the Catholic Church is not a denomination, but as for the Eucharist (I do believe in the real presence myself) uniting Christianity, I have to politely disagree. Now I know Holy Communion unites the CC, but what unites all Christians is the cross. Remember, on the front of our uniforms? No matter what Church you go to, there is a cross, and on it, our Lord died for us, and when he arose from the grave, ascended into heaven, we were called Christians, followers of Christ.

As for Protestants wavering on issues like homosexuality and abortion, is sad and a disgrace to us. Morals.Never.Change.Period.
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I agree with you in many ways. Sometimes a tree does not represent the Forest. You may want to investigate Scott Hahn on the 4th Cup. This is also on another site by another speaker. True the cross is important. It is an extension of the passover meal.

This is Hahn’s transcript of the message. The passover meal is described and the number of cups is described.

webpages.marshall.edu/~trimbol3/4thcup4.htm

the4thcup.com/

If you can look at this and then say, yes we all wear crosses, yes we all acknowledge the 4th cup…do we all acknowledge the deeper meaning of the work of Christ as explained in the gospel of John.

I ask you to approach this, study, reflect pray and then return with your thoughts.👍
 
Dndspoon said:
I am a Christian who is searching around currently, but I pray for the day when we all will fulfill the prayer of our Lord, that we all might be as one. So I decided to make a list of the things that, I believe, might unite us.
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I think of us like soldiers, our uniforms are all different colors (different denominations) But all we do is fight with one another, without realizing that on all our uniforms is a cross, That’s what unites us, And as we fight, we don’t see the devil and his army march right past us, even slaying some of us in the process. So If you have more ideas on things that can unify us, please do post, also post your opinions and thoughts. Thanks so much, and may the whole World be United to Christ, and May HE Bless you all! :o 🙂 😃 😛 😉

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I was raised believing we are all Christians holding the same basic tenets of faith we simply celebrate that same faith differently.

On another forum there was a discussion about all the things Protestants agree on because Catholics were saying we agreed on very little- all the thousands of denominations.

I believe it is the Catholic doctrines supported by Tradition and not by Scripture where the divisions started.

I wonder - if Luther had not been Catholic but Orthodox would he have seen any fault in the Church? Would his 95 thesis have been posted? But the disagreements did start way before Luther.

Here is the list-
Protestants agree:

  1. *]2 By this Gospel you are saved…3… that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
    *]Sola Christus –Christ alone, Sola Scriptura – The Bible alone: Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters, Sola Gratia – Grace alone, Sola Fide – Faith alone, Soli Deo Gloria – To God alone be glory.
    *]Jesus was baptized – we are to follow His example.
    *]Jesus fulfilled all righteousness- yet HE identified with the sinners.
    *]We are baptized to proclaim Christ’s fulfillment of all righteousness imputed/infused to us. God is the source of our righteousness.
    *]We are baptized as an outward sign of our association with Christ’s shed blood, death, burial, and resurrection for our justification.
    *]We do not believe baptism is a prerequisite for salvation.
    *]Jesus was born of a virgin.
    *]The Church Jesus built is not all contained in any one “denomination/branch” and a Christian can find the true Gospel outside the Catholic Church.
    *]The Trinity = 1 GOD existing in 3 persons.
    *]On the divinity of Christ.
    *]Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters.
    *]Faith without works is dead. Works is a result of Faith.
    *]“The work of GOD is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
    *]Faith in Jesus saves.
    *]Christ’s atonement on the Cross is totally sufficient. Nothing can be or needs to be added to the work of Christ.
    *]Believe that salvation is possible apart from the church of Rome.
    *]Forgiveness of sins does not require a human priest.
    *]Christ will come again.
    *]There is no such place as purgatory, the dead go to either heaven or hell.
    *]There are Spiritual beings such as angels and demons.
    *]Every person will one day stand before Christ and be judged for his or her deeds. Unbelievers before the great white throne and Believers are Judged in front of the Bema Seat.
    *]The bread and wine remain, are symbolic of Jesus’ body and blood and do not transform in any way.
    *]There was only one sacrifice.
    *] 19… you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.
    *] There is One True Gospel and it has been revealed to us though GOD’s Holy Word.
    *]The pope is not the Vicar of Christ, is not infallible is not potentate
    *]There is one and only one mediator, advocate and redeemer- Jesus Christ.
    *] Mary was not immaculately conceived, was not preserved without sin.
 
schaick said:
I was raised believing we are all Christians holding the same basic tenets of faith we simply celebrate that same faith differently.

On another forum there was a discussion about all the things Protestants agree on because Catholics were saying we agreed on very little- all the thousands of denominations.

I believe it is the Catholic doctrines supported by Tradition and not by Scripture where the divisions started.

I wonder - if Luther had not been Catholic but Orthodox would he have seen any fault in the Church? Would his 95 thesis have been posted? But the disagreements did start way before Luther.

Here is the list-
Protestants agree:

  1. *]2 By this Gospel you are saved…3… that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
    *]Sola Christus –Christ alone, Sola Scriptura – The Bible alone: Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters, Sola Gratia – Grace alone, Sola Fide – Faith alone, Soli Deo Gloria – To God alone be glory.
    *]Jesus was baptized – we are to follow His example.
    *]Jesus fulfilled all righteousness- yet HE identified with the sinners.
    *]We are baptized to proclaim Christ’s fulfillment of all righteousness imputed/infused to us. God is the source of our righteousness.
    *]We are baptized as an outward sign of our association with Christ’s shed blood, death, burial, and resurrection for our justification.
    *]We do not believe baptism is a prerequisite for salvation.
    *]Jesus was born of a virgin.
    *]The Church Jesus built is not all contained in any one “denomination/branch” and a Christian can find the true Gospel outside the Catholic Church.
    *]The Trinity = 1 GOD existing in 3 persons.
    *]On the divinity of Christ.
    *]Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters.
    *]Faith without works is dead. Works is a result of Faith.
    *]“The work of GOD is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
    *]Faith in Jesus saves.
    *]Christ’s atonement on the Cross is totally sufficient. Nothing can be or needs to be added to the work of Christ.
    *]Believe that salvation is possible apart from the church of Rome.
    *]Forgiveness of sins does not require a human priest.
    *]Christ will come again.
    *]There is no such place as purgatory, the dead go to either heaven or hell.
    *]There are Spiritual beings such as angels and demons.
    *]Every person will one day stand before Christ and be judged for his or her deeds. Unbelievers before the great white throne and Believers are Judged in front of the Bema Seat.
    *]The bread and wine remain, are symbolic of Jesus’ body and blood and do not transform in any way.
    *]There was only one sacrifice.
    *] 19… you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.
    *] There is One True Gospel and it has been revealed to us though GOD’s Holy Word.
    *]The pope is not the Vicar of Christ, is not infallible is not potentate
    *]There is one and only one mediator, advocate and redeemer- Jesus Christ.
    *] Mary was not immaculately conceived, was not preserved without sin.
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  1. What is fascinating about Luther is his Protesting to the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church and his later appeal to the Orthodox that rejected him. The sister Church in the East did what the sister Church in the West did. We hear little of that rejection.:eek:
 
schaick said:
I was raised believing we are all Christians holding the same basic tenets of faith we simply celebrate that same faith differently.
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There is no agreement among Protestants what these"basic tenets of faith" are.
On another forum there was a discussion about all the things Protestants agree on because Catholics were saying we agreed on very little- all the thousands of denominations.

Here is the list-
Protestants agree:
    • 2 By this Gospel you are saved…3… that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
    • Sola Christus –Christ alone, Sola Scriptura – The Bible alone: Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters, Sola Gratia – Grace alone, Sola Fide – Faith alone, Soli Deo Gloria – To God alone be glory.
    • Jesus was baptized – we are to follow His example.
    • Jesus fulfilled all righteousness- yet HE identified with the sinners.
    • We are baptized to proclaim Christ’s fulfillment of all righteousness imputed/infused to us. God is the source of our righteousness.
    • We are baptized as an outward sign of our association with Christ’s shed blood, death, burial, and resurrection for our justification.
    • We do not believe baptism is a prerequisite for salvation
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  1. I may be wrong but I do believe that Lutherans and Anglicans/Episcopalians would not agree with the bolded section.

    From the Augsburg Confession:

    Of Baptism they teach that it is necessary 2] to salvation
    [list[* Jesus was born of a virgin.
    • The Church Jesus built is not all contained in any one “denomination/branch” and a Christian can find the true Gospel outside the Catholic Church.
    • The Trinity = 1 GOD existing in 3 persons.
    • On the divinity of Christ.
    • Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters.
    • Faith without works is dead. Works is a result of Faith.
    • “The work of GOD is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
    • Faith in Jesus saves.
    • Christ’s atonement on the Cross is totally sufficient. Nothing can be or needs to be added to the work of Christ.
    • Believe that salvation is possible apart from the church of Rome.
    • Forgiveness of sins does not require a human priest.
    • Christ will come again.
    • There is no such place as purgatory, the dead go to either heaven or hell.
    • There are Spiritual beings such as angels and demons.
    • Every person will one day stand before Christ and be judged for his or her deeds. Unbelievers before the great white throne and Believers are Judged in front of the Bema Seat.
    • The bread and wine remain, are symbolic of Jesus’ body and blood and do not transform in any way.
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    Again, I believe that the Lutherans and Episcopalians/Anglicans will disagree with you on the bolded section.
    • There was only one sacrifice.
    • 19… you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.
    • There is One True Gospel and it has been revealed to us though GOD’s Holy Word.
    • The pope is not the Vicar of Christ, is not infallible is not potentate
    • There is one and only one mediator, advocate and redeemer- Jesus Christ.
    • Mary was not immaculately conceived, was not preserved without sin.
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    Bolded section: ditto.

    (BTW: Sola Scriptura was listed twice in your post–item #2 and item #12 :).)
 
schaick said:
Protestants agree:
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Everything I highlight is a truth of Catholicism as well.

  1. *]2 **By this Gospel you are saved…3… that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, **
    *]Sola Christus –Christ alone, Sola Scriptura – The Bible alone: Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters, **Sola Gratia – Grace alone, **Sola Fide – Faith alone, Soli Deo Gloria – To God alone be glory.
    *]**Jesus was baptized – we are to follow His example. **
    *]**Jesus fulfilled all righteousness- yet HE identified with the sinners. **
    *]**We are baptized to proclaim Christ’s fulfillment of all righteousness imputed/infused to us. God is the source of our righteousness. **
    *]**We are baptized as an outward sign of our association with Christ’s shed blood, death, burial, and resurrection for our justification. **
    *]We do not believe baptism is a prerequisite for salvation.
    *]**Jesus was born of a virgin. **
    *]The Church Jesus built is not all contained in any one “denomination/branch” and a Christian can find the true Gospel outside the Catholic Church.
    *]The Trinity = 1 GOD existing in 3 persons.
    *]On the divinity of Christ.
    *]Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters.
    *]**Faith without works is dead. Works is a result of Faith. **
    *]“The work of GOD is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
    *]**Faith in Jesus saves. **
    *]**Christ’s atonement on the Cross is totally sufficient. Nothing can be or needs to be added to the work of Christ. **
    *]Believe that salvation is possible apart from the church of Rome.
    *]Forgiveness of sins does not require a human priest.
    *]**Christ will come again. **
    *]There is no such place as purgatory, **the dead go to either heaven or hell. **
    *]**There are Spiritual beings such as angels and demons. **
    *]**Every person will one day stand before Christ and be judged for his or her deeds. Unbelievers before the great white throne and Believers are Judged in front of the Bema Seat.****NOTE: Not sure what the “Bema Seat” is. 🤷
    *]The bread and wine remain, are symbolic of Jesus’ body and blood and do not transform in any way.
    *]There was only one sacrifice.
    *] 19… **you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. **
    *] There is One True Gospel and it has been revealed to us though GOD’s Holy Word.
    *]The pope is not the Vicar of Christ, is not infallible is not potentate
    *]There is one and only one mediator, advocate and redeemer- Jesus Christ.
    *] Mary was not immaculately conceived, was not preserved without sin.
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PRmerger said:
Everything I highlight is a truth of Catholicism as well.
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So let’s take the list that been distilled to truly things that Protestants agree on, apart from the truths of Catholicism:


  1. *]Sola Scriptura – The Bible alone: Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters,
    *]Sola Fide – Faith alone,
    *]We do not believe baptism is a prerequisite for salvation.
    *]Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters.
    *]Believe that salvation is possible apart from the church of Rome.
    *]Forgiveness of sins does not require a human priest.
    *]There is no such place as purgatory
    *]The bread and wine remain, are symbolic of Jesus’ body and blood and do not transform in any way.
    *]The pope is not the Vicar of Christ, is not infallible is not potentate
    *]Mary was not immaculately conceived, was not preserved without sin.

    #1 and #2 remain something all Protestants agree on and the CC proclaims to be false.
    #3 was already proven to be incorrectly added to the list. Not all Protestants believe #3.
    #4 is a repeat of #1 so must be dismissed.
    #5, 6 and 7 are also something all Protestants agree on and the CC proclaims to be false.
    #8 was also proven to be incorrectly added to the list as not all Protestants proclaim #8.
    #9 is correctly on the list (although it is not Catholic teaching to describe the pope as a “potentate”. In fact, one of his titles is “Servant to the servants of God.”
    #10 was also shown to be incorrectly added.
 
schaick said:
Here is the list-
Protestants agree:

  1. *]2 By this Gospel you are saved…3… that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
    *]Sola Christus –Christ alone, Sola Scriptura – The Bible alone: Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters, Sola Gratia – Grace alone, Sola Fide – Faith alone, Soli Deo Gloria – To God alone be glory.
    *]Jesus was baptized – we are to follow His example.
    *]Jesus fulfilled all righteousness- yet HE identified with the sinners.
    *]We are baptized to proclaim Christ’s fulfillment of all righteousness imputed/infused to us. God is the source of our righteousness.
    *]We are baptized as an outward sign of our association with Christ’s shed blood, death, burial, and resurrection for our justification.
    *]We do not believe baptism is a prerequisite for salvation.
    *]Jesus was born of a virgin.
    *]The Church Jesus built is not all contained in any one “denomination/branch” and a Christian can find the true Gospel outside the Catholic Church.
    *]The Trinity = 1 GOD existing in 3 persons.
    *]On the divinity of Christ.
    *]Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters.
    *]Faith without works is dead. Works is a result of Faith.
    *]“The work of GOD is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
    *]Faith in Jesus saves.
    *]Christ’s atonement on the Cross is totally sufficient. Nothing can be or needs to be added to the work of Christ.
    *]Believe that salvation is possible apart from the church of Rome.
    *]Forgiveness of sins does not require a human priest.
    *]Christ will come again.
    *]There is no such place as purgatory, the dead go to either heaven or hell.
    *]There are Spiritual beings such as angels and demons.
    *]Every person will one day stand before Christ and be judged for his or her deeds. Unbelievers before the great white throne and Believers are Judged in front of the Bema Seat.
    *]The bread and wine remain, are symbolic of Jesus’ body and blood and do not transform in any way.
    *]There was only one sacrifice.
    *] 19… you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.
    *] There is One True Gospel and it has been revealed to us though GOD’s Holy Word.
    *]The pope is not the Vicar of Christ, is not infallible is not potentate
    *]There is one and only one mediator, advocate and redeemer- Jesus Christ.
    *] Mary was not immaculately conceived, was not preserved without sin.
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  1. So actually, what I have shown by the above distillation is that this is the actual list that all Protestants can agree:

    1. *]Sola Scriptura – The Bible alone: Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters,
      *]Sola Fide – Faith alone,
      *]Believe that salvation is possible apart from the church of Rome.
      *]Forgiveness of sins does not require a human priest.
      *]There is no such place as purgatory
      *]The pope is not the Vicar of Christ, is not infallible is not potentate

      That’s it. 🤷

      And actually, as I read this, we must eliminate #2 because if you believe “faith without works is dead”, which you claimed you did in your initial list, then that removes #2.

      So here’s the FINAL list of what you all agree on:

      1. *]Sola Scriptura – The Bible alone: Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters,
        *]Believe that salvation is possible apart from the church of Rome.
        *]Forgiveness of sins does not require a human priest.
        *]There is no such place as purgatory
        *]The pope is not the Vicar of Christ, is not infallible is not potentate
 
PRmerger said:
So actually, what I have shown by the above distillation is that this is the actual list that all Protestants can agree:


  1. *]Sola Scriptura – The Bible alone: Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters,
    *]Sola Fide – Faith alone,
    *]Believe that salvation is possible apart from the church of Rome.
    *]Forgiveness of sins does not require a human priest.
    *]There is no such place as purgatory
    *]The pope is not the Vicar of Christ, is not infallible is not potentate

    That’s it. 🤷

    And actually, as I read this, we must eliminate #2 because if you believe “faith without works is dead”, which you claimed you did in your initial list, then that removes #2.

    So here’s the FINAL list of what you all agree on:

    1. *]Sola Scriptura – The Bible alone: Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters,
      *]Believe that salvation is possible apart from the church of Rome.
      *]Forgiveness of sins does not require a human priest.
      *]There is no such place as purgatory
      *]The pope is not the Vicar of Christ, is not infallible is not potentate
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    1. Should have mentioned that this discusion took place between Trinitarian Christians. Also why take out the things Catholics also agree on- makes the** list appear falsely that there is less in agree ment**

      Also Lutherans realized that the thief on the cross was not baptized. So an absolute requirement for salvation- how can that be when we know it is our faith that saves?

      I took out the duplicates. Actually need to add some back in such as the fact that all Protestants believe Jesus was born of a virgin. What makes you think they don’t believe that?:

      1. *]2 By this Gospel you are saved…3… that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
        *]Sola Christus –Christ alone, Sola Scriptura – The Bible alone: Scripture is the final authority on Spiritual matters, Sola Gratia – Grace alone, Sola Fide – Faith alone, Soli Deo Gloria – To God alone be glory.
        *]Jesus was baptized – we are to follow His example.
        *]Jesus fulfilled all righteousness- yet HE identified with the sinners.
        *]We are baptized to proclaim Christ’s fulfillment of all righteousness imputed/infused to us. God is the source of our righteousness.
        *]We are baptized as an outward sign of our association with Christ’s shed blood, death, burial, and resurrection for our justification.
        *]We do not believe baptism is a prerequisite for salvation.
        *]Jesus was born of a virgin.
        *]The Church Jesus built is not all contained in any one “denomination/branch” and a Christian can find the true Gospel outside the Catholic Church.
        *]The Trinity = 1 GOD existing in 3 persons.
        *]On the divinity of Christ.
        *]Faith without works is dead. Works is a result of Faith.
        *]“The work of GOD is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
        *]Christ’s atonement on the Cross is totally sufficient. Nothing can be or needs to be added to the work of Christ.
        *]Believe that salvation is possible apart from the church of Rome.
        *]Forgiveness of sins does not require a human priest.
        *]Christ will come again.
        *]There is no such place as purgatory, the dead go to either heaven or hell.
        *]There are Spiritual beings such as angels and demons.
        *]Every person will one day stand before Christ and be judged for his or her deeds. Unbelievers before the great white throne and Believers are Judged in front of the Bema Seat.
        *]The bread and wine remain, are symbolic of Jesus’ body and blood and do not transform in any way.
        *]There was only one sacrifice.
        *]19… you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.
        *]There is One True Gospel and it has been revealed to us though GOD’s Holy Word.
        *]The pope is not the Vicar of Christ, is not infallible is not potentate
        *]There is one and only one mediator, advocate and redeemer- Jesus Christ.
        *]Mary was not immaculately conceived, was not preserved without sin
 
schaick said:
Also why take out the things Catholics also agree on- makes the** list appear falsely that there is less in agree ment**
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Because the entire point of Protestantism is that they are in* protest *with the original Christian Church–the Catholic Church. 🙂
Also Lutherans realized that the thief on the cross was not baptized. So an absolute requirement for salvation- how can that be when we know it is our faith that saves?
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You first have to give the place in Scripture where it says that St. Dismas (how Catholics identify the Good Thief) was “not baptized”. Chapter and verse, please.
I took out the duplicates. Actually need to add some back in such as the fact that all Protestants believe Jesus was born of a virgin. What makes you think they don’t believe that?
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That’s one of the things that Catholics believe, too. (Certainly you knew that, right? :confused:)
 
The Bema Seat is where believers give account of their lives to Jesus, “the judgment seat of Christ”

1 Corinthians 3
12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

So very unlike the purgatory experience where Catholics believe believer’s are punished/refined, at Christ’s judgement seat there are rewards depending on the quality of the life you lead.

As opposed to:
Revelation 20
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
 
schaick said:
I took out the duplicates. Actually need to add some back in such as the fact that all Protestants believe Jesus was born of a virgin. What makes you think they don’t believe that?:
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Ah. I see what you mean now.

I should have said #7 was proven to be incorrectly added, not #8, as not all Protestants agree that baptism is not a requirement for salvation. My bad.
 
PRmerger said:
Because the entire point of Protestantism is that they are in* protest *with the original Christian Church–the Catholic Church. 🙂

You first have to give the place in Scripture where it says that St. Dismas (how Catholics identify the Good Thief) was “not baptized”. Chapter and verse, please.

That’s one of the things that Catholics believe, too. (Certainly you knew that, right? :confused:)
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lol!! The thieves had to ask who Jesus was!!

Matthew 27
38 Two rebels were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left. 39 Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads

Matthew 27
44 In the same way the rebels who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.

Luke 23
39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”

40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”

43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

But do Catholics believe that the thief’ssituation does not parallel ours- Christ had not yet died -the New Covenant was not yet set in place and so the thief was saved under the old covenant?

Ok you are rewriting the list to what ALL Christians believe-you need to change your title then to all Christians and not just Protestants.
 
PRmerger said:
Ah. I see what you mean now.

I should have said #7 was proven to be incorrectly added, not #8, as not all Protestants agree that baptism is not a requirement for salvation. My bad.
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lol! we are submitting at the same time.

Well also Catholics believe in Baptism of desire-isn’t that what it is called? Under different circumstances the thief would have been baptised.
 
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