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Rich494
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Thanks for the questions without sarcasism. You should see the thing sent me with the “LOVE OF CHRIST” attached.
God set his Church in place. The church is every member all guided by God. Jesus says we must be “born from above” to be a member. This is a personal relationship with Him not a organization. This is why He insured His word would be carried though the ages. Being guided by His Spirit into all truth. It is when men refuse to listen and follow Him is the start of trouble. In the letter to the Corinthians Paul talks about the foolishness of following men. Christ is not devided. All of the different interpretations are men trying to make a name for themselfs. Every organization does this and it breaks Jesus’s heart. So I get alone with God, read His word and listen to Him as He teaches me. Through this I have learned to love and respect other opinions. I treat them with respect until we come to the understand of the Bible together. To accomplish this an open dialogue is always welcome and profitable.
God set his Church in place. The church is every member all guided by God. Jesus says we must be “born from above” to be a member. This is a personal relationship with Him not a organization. This is why He insured His word would be carried though the ages. Being guided by His Spirit into all truth. It is when men refuse to listen and follow Him is the start of trouble. In the letter to the Corinthians Paul talks about the foolishness of following men. Christ is not devided. All of the different interpretations are men trying to make a name for themselfs. Every organization does this and it breaks Jesus’s heart. So I get alone with God, read His word and listen to Him as He teaches me. Through this I have learned to love and respect other opinions. I treat them with respect until we come to the understand of the Bible together. To accomplish this an open dialogue is always welcome and profitable.
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Rich494:
Of course the very infant church was not organized or structured like today;however,it does not negate the fact the early church did begin to have order and structure. Did the U.S. government of 1789 have the same organizational structure as the government today?
Yes by virtue of baptism. However, Christ and the Apostles were one,not divided into separate entities each teaching his own thing. Unity was key,not disunity.
When Christ said those words he was speaking directly to the 12,not the populace. If the Holy Spirit teaches all us things,then why the thousands of different denominations?
Yes and the end results continue to grow today with division upon division.
Yes and he wants the same for His Body the church.
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pablope
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Correct…and if you examine deeply and honestly how your denomination started, you will see the truth of your statement.
Just look at the endless divisions in protestants…and look at PR’s post about the variety of beliefs…and you will again see the truth of your statement.
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PRmerger
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All of the above makes you sound quite Catholic, Rich.
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PRmerger
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Not sure what this means.
Now, again, all of the above is quite Catholic.
But I am curious as to how you, if you believe that the “Holy Spirit will guide us to all truth” respond to the questions I posed above.
What say you, Rich?
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adrift
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I am indeed late to this party but I wanted to comment on this.
Jesus never spoke Greek so what you are attributing to his “actual” words are not. I am not familiar with the translation you are speaking about. I don’t think there is such an animal as filtering out bias.
I have followed your argument on Church and It seems to me to be splitting hairs. That the word we use means a gathering is known to most. But you can’t just pick out one word and make an argument. That word has to be put in to context. What was going on at the time. Peter had just identified Jesus as the Messiah. Jesus tells Peter that this was a Divine revelation. Jesus then renames Peter and tell him that He will build His “church” upon Peter. Your argument is that church is a gathering of people which I don’t agree. But now the question is what is meant by building upon Peter? I am afraid what has happened is you have stumble upon the meaning but not the developement and have become muddled between the two.
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jlhargus
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JL: Amen, all Praise and thanks be to God. Yes God set His Church in place. The ONE BRIDE, not a harem of thousands. The Church Christ is building on St Rock of living stones and the gates of hell will never prevail against it, Mt16:17-19. He chose and SENT ONE VISIBLE FELLOWSHIP to TEACH the whole world till the END.
[Lk 6:12 And it came to pass in those days, that HE went out into a mountain to pray, and CONTINUED ALL NIGHT IN PRAYER to God. 13 And when it was day, **he called unto him his disciples: and OF THEM HE CHOSE TWELVE, whom also he NAMED APOSTLES;]
Mt28:16 Then THE ELEVEN disciples WENT away into Galilee, INTO A MOUNTAIN where JESUS had APPOINTED them. 17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 And JESUS came and SPAKE UNTO THEM, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. 19 GO ye therefore, and TEACH ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS whatsoever I HAVE COMMANDED YOU: and, lo, I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, even UNTO THE END OF THE WORLD. Amen.
What did people do when the gospel was first proclaimed by that ONE VISIBLE Church (Fellowship) at Pentecost?
Acts2:38 Then Peter said unto them, REPENT, and BE BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR the REMISSION OF SINS, and ye shall RECEIVE the gift of THE HOLY GHOST. 39 For the PROMISE is unto you, AND to YOUR CHILDREN, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call. 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, SAVE YOURSELVES from this untoward generation. 41 Then they that gladly received his word WERE BAPTIZED******: and the same day there were ADDED UNTO THEM about three thousand souls.
They were saved by hearing the Word, believing, repenting, being baptized FOR remission of sins to RECEIVE the Holy Spirit. They were ADDED to the BODY of Christ the ONE SENT VISIBLE FELLOWSHIP Christ is building of living stones.
[Acts2:41 Then **THEY THAT gladly RECEIVED HIS WORD WERE BAPTIZED: AND the same day there were ADDED UNTO THEM about three thousand souls. 42 And THEY CONTINUED stedfastly IN THE APOSTLES’ DOCTRINE and FELLOWSHIP, and in BREADKING OF BREAD, and in **PRAYERS **.]
What were they added to? ONE VISABLE APOSTLIC FELLOWSHIP, ONE DOCTRINE, Breaking of Bread=Mass, and in prayers (liturgy).
[1Cor1:9 God is faithful, by whom **ye were called unto THE FELLOWSHIP OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. 10 Now I BESEECH YOU, BRETHREN, BY the name of OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, that ye all SPEAK THE SAME THING, AND that there be NO DIVISIONS AMONG YOU; but that ye BE PERFECTLY JOINED TOGETHER in the SAME MIND and IN THE SAME JUDGMENT.]
One fellowship, one faith, one baptism, one Lord and God of all no matter where it is located in the world. Lk24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things. 49 And, behold, I SEND THE PROMISE OF MY FATHER: but TARRY ye IN the city of JERUSALEM, UNTIL YE BE ENDUED WITH POWER FROM ON HIGH. Jn14:26 But the Comforter, which is THE HOLY GHOST, whom the Father will send in my name, he SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, and BRING ALL THINGS TO YOUR REMEMBRANCE, WHATSOEVER I HAVE SAID UNTO YOU. Jn16:13 Howbeit when he, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, IS COME, he WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. The Holy Spirit guides, ONE VISIBLE FELLOWSHIP, the Church into all TRUTH. Not every individual Christian as we can plainly see by thousands of contradicting gospels being preached. Paul tells us the Church IS the pillar and ground of TRUTH, 1Tm3:15.**
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- How can the Holy Spirit tell the Lutherans the Eucharist is the true presence of Christ, and then tell the Baptists it is only a symbol?
- How can the Holy Spirit tell the Methodists it is alright to have female ministers, and then tell the Baptists it is unbiblical?
- How can the Holy Spirit tell the Seventh-Day Adventists that Saturday is the day of worship, and then tell the Presbyterians the day of worship is Sunday and not Saturday?
- How can the Holy Spirit tell the Lutherans that the Blessed Virgin Mary was and remains always virgin, and then tell the Baptists she had other children?
- How can the Holy Spirit tell the Baptists, “once saved always saved”, and then tell the Church of Christ that Sola Fides is unscriptural?
- How can the Holy Spirit tell Episcopalians to baptize infants and then tell Pentecostals infant baptism is invalid?
- How can the Holy Spirit tell Mormons that the Holy Trinity is three separate persons, and then tell Methodists the Trinity is three persons in one GOD? home.inreach.com/bstanley/reform.htm
Not fair
Defination of Church= a building for public Christian worship
I do prefer the Catholic Church as I like the Mass.
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PRmerger
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But, Luv, the paradigm that I am refuting is this one: “The Holy Spirit will lead us to understanding Scripture. We do not need any authority to tell us what Scripture means!”I see you left out how can the Holy Spirit tell Cahtholics_____________________
Not fair
This is not the Catholic paradigm. The above contrary doctrines reflect the very, very bad paradigm Protestants hold. Clearly, the HS cannot be leading people into all these divergent opinions on the same Scriptures.
But you should be Catholic because it’s true, not because it’s something that you “prefer”.
We ought to conform ourselves to God’s image, not shop around and find a church that conforms to our own image/preferences/attractions.
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CopticChristian
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Mormons read the KJV of the Bible and believe that they are guided by God. Jehovah witness read the New World translation and believe that they are guided by God.
You define being born from above in a paradigm that fits Protestant thought. Do you not find it odd that Paul writes letters to Churches not individuals. Think about that for awhile. The Church in Rome, Corinth, etc…when you can discern that these Churches did not appear in a strip mall and disappear overnight…what might these Churches be like? If everything comes from God…and the OT is a history of a people…does not history belong to God…and is there not a history of his people after the coming of Christ…is it only found in the NT?
If you have been guided into all truth and the Protestant paradigm is never infallible, in other words what ever it is you propose is always fallible there can never be certainty as to whether it is true or not as evidenced by your propositions here. Do you really believe you are reading Scripture. Visit the thread “why Christians can’t read Scripture”
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=609262
How is it that the Bible was produced that you read and why is it incomplete?
Then ask yourself what the Church is…they Mystery hidden for all ages…visit the thread on "What is the Revelation of the mystery.?.Ask what it is you have been led to believe about this mystery?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=615741
Do you attend a church of some kind? Do you attend a Bible study?
I believe you have learned much and should learn more. What you have written is a framework for Christian truths, like Swiss cheese with holes needing to be filled. You are not in a position to teach.
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Here is what I don’t understand. Okay they say the bible is the final authority right?? Then why do they not take the authority of the bible and listen to what it says.
It states the CHURCH is the Pilar of all truth. SO if they take the bible as the final authority it should lead them right back to the Church right??
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jlhargus
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JL: Yes the Church is every member, but not every member is in VISIBLE nor DOCTRINAL union with the ONE FELLOWSHIP. Some are only in a spiritual union thur baptism. Such as those memtioned in Mark.
[Mk 9:38 And JOHN answered him, SAYING, MASTER, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and HE FOLLOWETH NOT US: and WE FORBAD HIM, because HE FOLLOWETH NOT US. 39 But JESUS SAID, FORBID HIM NOT: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. 40 For he that is not against US is on OUR PART.]
The Holy Spirit works thru those separated denominations not in visible union with the Apostles Fellowship. Uniting them to the ONE fellowship in a spiritual way. All Christ’s children are spiritually, although not visibly nor holding the apostles doctrine fully, united to the Church. There can’t be thousands of households of God teaching contradicting doctrine. There is only ONE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD, that is the pillar and ground of truth.
Again the Church is every member, yet every member does not have the same FUNCTION.
Eph4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
[1Cor1:9 God is faithful, by whom **ye were called unto THE FELLOWSHIP OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. 10 Now I BESEECH YOU, BRETHREN, BY the name of OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, that ye all SPEAK THE SAME THING, AND that there be NO DIVISIONS AMONG YOU; but that ye BE PERFECTLY JOINED TOGETHER in the SAME MIND and IN THE SAME JUDGMENT.]
The Church is guided by the Holy Spirit thru those SENT ordained ministers. Through the sacrament of Holy Orders. Apostolic succession in an unbroken line of successors, by laying on of hands, from the apostles to bishops to bishops till the end of the world. Ordination gives the GIFT of the Holy Spirit to enable the ordained to fulfill his mission.
[2Tim1:6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou **STIR UP THE GIFT OF GOD, which is IN THEE BY the PUTTING ON OF MY HANDS. 7 For GOD HATH NOT GIVEN US THE SPIRIT OF FEAR; BUT OF POWER, and of love, and of a sound mind.]
[Tm4:2 **PREACH THE WORD; be instant in season, out of season; REPROVE, REBUKE, EXHORT with all long suffering and doctrine.]
Titus2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke WITH ALL AUTHORITY. Let no man despise thee.
[Hb13:7 Remember them which HAVE THE RULE OVER YOU , who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
Hb13:17 OBEY THEM THAT HAVE THE RULE OVER YOU, and SUBMIT yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.]
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jlhargus
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JL:Here is what I don’t understand. Okay they say the bible is the final authority right?? Then why do they not take the authority of the bible and listen to what it says.
It states the CHURCH is the Pilar of all truth. SO if they take the bible as the final authority it should lead them right back to the Church right??
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jlhargus
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JL: Yes we MUST be BORN AGAIN or from above, by water AND of the Spirit, TO BE A MEMBER of the ONE VISIBLE BODY OF CHRIST. That’s why we baptize children. So they can BE A MEMBER united thru the indwelling Holy Spirit to the body of Christ. Developing a personal relationship with God thru prayer and worship DOING His will. A relationship is developed by interaction between persons not just by being born. One can be born and never have a relationship with their father. We see too much of that. How did Christ tell Nicodemus one is BORN AGAIN?
[Jn3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, **EXCEPT a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, HOW can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, EXCEPT a man be BORN OF water AND of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.] All men are naturally BORN of the flesh and are flesh only. All must be BORN AGAIN BY water AND of the Spirit to receive the indwelling Holy Spirit in order to enter the kingdom of God.
[Gal 3:26 For **YE ARE all the CHILDREN OF GOD by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For AS MANY of you AS HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED into Christ HAVE PUT ON CHRIST.]
[Eph5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 **That he might SANCTIFY and CLEANSE it WITH THE WASHING OF WATER BY THE WORD,]
JL: John and Christ seemed to think there was an organized fellowship. Thru which we also develop a personal relationship with Christ. It isn’t Jesus and me. It’s Jesus and us. We are a people on pilgrimage to the promised land.
[Mk 9:38 And JOHN answered him, SAYING, MASTER, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and HE FOLLOWETH NOT **US: and WE FORBAD HIM, because HE FOLLOWETH NOT US. 39 But JESUS SAID, FORBID HIM NOT: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. 40 For he that is not against US is on OUR PART.]
What did those first believers become MEMBERS OF when the gospel was preached for the first time at Pentecost? When the Church was first endued with power from on high. [Lk24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.]
[Acts2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were BAPTIZED: and the same day there **WERE ADDED UNTO THEM about three thousand souls. 42 And THEY CONTINUED stedfastly IN THE APOSTLES’ DOCTRINE and FELLOWSHIP, and in BREAKING OF BREAD=Mass, and in PRAYERS.] They became MEMBERS of a VISIBLE APOSTOLIC ORGAINIZED, DOCTRINAL, WORSHIPING FELLOWSHIP. Not some so called invisible phantom entity that no one can see, hear, find in history or name any leaders of.
[1Cor1:9 God is faithful, by whom **ye were called unto THE FELLOWSHIP OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. 10 Now I BESEECH YOU, BRETHREN, BY the name of OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, that ye all SPEAK THE SAME THING, AND that there be NO DIVISIONS AMONG YOU; but that ye BE PERFECTLY JOINED TOGETHER in the SAME MIND and IN THE SAME JUDGMENT.]
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jlhargus
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JL: Yes His Word whether BY word OR epistle. [2Thes2:14 Whereunto he called you by OUR GOSPEL, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and **HOLD THE TRADITIONS which ye have been taught, WHETHER BY word, OR OUR epistle.]
[2Tim1:13 HOLD FAST the form of SOUND WORDS, which thou hast HEARD OF ME, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 14 THAT GOOD THING which was COMMITTED unto thee **KEEP BY THE HOLY GHOST which dwelleth IN US.]
If you are taught or think that ALL oral Tradition is now in the written Tradition of Scripture then you must show a scripture saying so. Otherwise you are following a tradition of men to nullify the Word.
The Church was up and running twenty years before the first word of the NT was even penned. The Church was preaching, teaching, converting, living out and passing on that Oral Word of faith once delivered to the saints, Jude1:3.
The Church is led into all truth, not individuals. That’s clearly seen by thousands of contradicting, so called gospels, from contentious faith groups claiming the bible and the Holy Spirit as their only guide. Individuals do receive the indwelling Holy Spirit, an unction, so they may know doctrinal truth from error thru hearing those ministers SENT by Christ thru the Church.
[1Jn 4:6 **WE are of God Whoever knows God LISTENS TO US and he who is NOT OF GOD DOES NOT LISTEN TO US. BY THIS we know the spirit of TRUTH AND the spirit of ERROR.]
LK 10:16 HE THAT HEARETH YOU HEARETH ME; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
2Jn1: 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in THE DOCTRINE of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 IF there come ANY unto you, and bring not THIS DOCTRINE, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
1Jn2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 THEY WENT OUT FROM US, but they were not of **US]/b]; for if they had been of US, they would no doubt have continued with US: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of US 20 But YE HAVE AN UNCTION FROM THE HOLY ONE, and YE KNOW ALL THINGS. 21 I HAVE NOT WRITTEN unto you BECAUSE YE KNOW NOT THE TRUTH, but because YE KNOW IT, and that no lie is of the truth. 22 … 23… 24 LET THAT therefore ABIDE IN YOU, WHICH YE HAVE HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING. IF THAT WHICH YE HAVE HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING shall REMAIN IN YOU, YE also SHALL CONTINUE IN THE SON, AND in the FATHER. 25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, EVEN ETERNAL LIFE. 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But THE ANOINTING which YE HAVE RECEIVED OF HIM ABIDETH IN YOU, and YE NEED NOT that ANY MAN TEACH YOU: but as the same ANOINTING TEACHETH YOU ALL THINGS, AND IS TRUTH, and is no lie, and EVEN AS IT HATH TAUGHT YOU, YE SHALL ABIDE IN HIM.
THE ANOINTING (UNCTION) YE HAVE RECEIVED OF HIM is grace. The knowledge, wisdom and strength, from the Holy Spirit, the seven gifts, received thru the sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation. That UNCTION gives us wisdom, to hold and abide in THAT-TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL, WHICH WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING, ALLOWING IT TO ABIDE IN US. Note, not what we have read and formed our own opinion. In other words the gospel as preached by the SENT Apostolic Fellowship. The Church the pillar and ground of truth, 1Tm3:15. That which we have HEARD from the beginning. If we allow it to abide in our hearts WE KNOW THE TRUTH and will not be deceived, by those teaching another gospel. The (UNCTION) ANOINTING TEACHETH YOU ALL THINGS. The anointing teaches those of the Household of God to remain faithful to the word, that abideth in them. That which they have RECEIVED FROM THE BEGINNING, as proclaimed in the Church, by those SENT to proclaim the gospel. In unity with that TEACHING magisterium, the pope and bishops of the world, Mt28:16-20. We share in the Holy Spirit promised to lead the Church into all truth, Jn16:13. We have the knowledge necessary not to be deceived and led astray. By every wind of doctrine the mind of men, NOT SENT, can devise. They are not SENT, but go out on their own authority, teaching another gospel of their own design**
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jlhargus
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JL: Yes when men refuse to listen and follow Him that is the start of trouble. How does scripture tell us to HEAR Christ? Answer by hearing those He SENT.
LK 10:16 He that heareth YOU heareth ME and he that despiseth you despiseth me and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me
Rm10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not HEARD? and how shall they HEAR without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach EXCEPT they be SENT? as it is written How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace and bring glad tidings of good things
Mt 10:40 He who receives YOU receives ME and he who receives me receives him who sent me
EPH 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery which from the beginning of the world hath been **hid in God **who created all things by Jesus Christ 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be KNOWN BY THE CHURCH the manifold wisdom of God11 ACCORDING TO THE ETERNAL PURPOSE which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord
Mt18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but IF HE NEGLECT TO HEAR THE CHURCH, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
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jlhargus
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JL: Rich, here is how your remarks come across to me. Anyone who does not agree with my (Rich) interpretation of scripture is in error. I, Rich, alone get along with God and read His Word and listen to Him as He teaches me. I then try to teach everyone else. I respect their opinion UNTIL I have explained what the bible really says. You say not to listen to men. Then you imply we should listen to you alone.
I don’t rely on my understanding nor on that of any man. No matter how learned who in the last analysis gives only his own opinion. Although he could be right at times. I prefer the assurance of those Christ SENT to lead us into all truth, Jn16:13, not hit and miss truth. To follow those, Christ has set over us, Hb13:17. Those who have the gift of the Holy Spirit by laying on of hands in an unbroken line, 2Tm1:6, to recall all Christ has taught, Jn14:26. The Church to whom Christ promised the gates of hell shall never prevail against, Mt 16:18, the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth, 1 TM 3:14.
[Eph3:7 Whereof **I WAS MADE A MINISTER, ACCORDING TO THE GIFT of the grace OF GOD given unto me BY the effectual WORKING OF HIS POWER. 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 And TO MAKE ALL MEN SEE what is THE FELLOWSHIP of THE MYSTERY, which from the beginning of the world hath been HID IN GOD, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10 To the intent THAT NOW unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places MIGHT BE KNOWN BY THE CHURCH the manifold wisdom of God,]
[2Cor5:20 Now then **WE are ambassadors for Christ, as though GOD did BESEECH YOU BY US: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.]
We take the word of that Fellowship Christ SENT to TEACH the whole world and promised to be with till the END, Mt28:16-20.
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TheGreatestLove
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How come you all are taking up such time to be the higher authority? When none of this what you are doing on this thread has nothing to do with serving Our Lord and saviour???
God is God…not any of you…humble yourselves in your self righteous attitudes…and start serving the Lord as he commanded! For what yous are doing is blasphemy- You each claim to be the right one! What Good is all this doing God…or serving him?
You will know all you need to know…When you show true reverance to the Lord…and humble thyself unto him!!!
Put away your foolish pride…There is world full of pain…of people suffering…You claim wisdom but you have none. Wisdom will be found in sincerety in faith in God…not your own proclaimed wars of Pride!!!
Reach out to those in need…do the work of the Lord or you shall remain foolish!
AS God has commanded!
God is God…not any of you…humble yourselves in your self righteous attitudes…and start serving the Lord as he commanded! For what yous are doing is blasphemy- You each claim to be the right one! What Good is all this doing God…or serving him?
You will know all you need to know…When you show true reverance to the Lord…and humble thyself unto him!!!
Put away your foolish pride…There is world full of pain…of people suffering…You claim wisdom but you have none. Wisdom will be found in sincerety in faith in God…not your own proclaimed wars of Pride!!!
Reach out to those in need…do the work of the Lord or you shall remain foolish!
AS God has commanded!
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PRmerger
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Of course it has something to do with serving Our Lord and Savior.
God has commanded us to love Him with our entire heart, soul, strength and mind.
Apologetics is the “loving God with our entire mind” part of the command.
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