I think the Baptist church is false help me convert my parents

[LoganBryce]

I understand. My grandparents were hardcore Baptists. My Pawpaw read the whole bible 42 times. I never thought to ask before he died. If I could I would ask how he knew so much but still went there.

 

[DictatorCzar]

Well I have doubts on sola scriptura. Because the Old Testament is different on every church. Baptist’s don’t have deuterocanonicals. But Catholics and orthodoxs do. So sola scriptura isn’t true, even though the Bible says all scripture is god breathed. That was on the Old Testament books because the New Testament hasn’t been made up yet. I learned that Martin Luther cherry picked 7 books from the Bible and almost remove Hebrews, Jude and revelations because they were against his ideas.

 

[guanophore]

Symbolic communion quarterly is a false teaching.

They are teaching what they were taught, and what they believe to be true. They stand in the tradition of Apollos.

So sola scriptura isn’t true, even though the Bible says all scripture is god breathed.

Scripture is authorative, but you are right, forcing the Holy Writings into a role that was meant to be filled by persons is a dead end. It is easy to see how the doctrine of Sola Scriptura has produced an unlimited number of Protestant sects, all believing they have the interpretation inspired by the Holy Spirit.

That being said, there is great reverence for Scripture in Baptist communities, which should be esteemed. Would that Catholics knew their bibles as well as our Baptist siblings!

I learned that Martin Luther cherry picked 7 books from the Bible and almost remove Hebrews, Jude and revelations because they were against his ideas.

Yes, but it did not happen. The Holy Spirit preserved the New Testament Canon for all of us.

 

[Cjbhoward]

That being said, there is great reverence for Scripture in Baptist communities, which should be esteemed. Would that Catholics knew their bibles as well as our Baptist siblings!

Eh… Catholics, in my experience know their bible well enough. They mat not be able to quote chapter & verse so well… but they know their bible well enough.

Two examples that immediately come to mind are my wife & mother-in-law. I know the chapters & verses better than both, but the example which they live there lives put mine to shame.

If I could choose, I’d rather live my faith as they do rather than know the chapter & verse that tell me what example I should provide.

 

[Fraevo63]

There is some wise and kind advice here. I wanted to respectfully SUGGEST the possibility of leaving literature such as the catechism and/or writings of the Church fathers in a reading room that your mom might pick up and read at her leisure/curiosity. Don’t say, “Mom you need to read this”. Just leave it. Love her, honor her and pray for her. Be blessed.

 

[Odilon]

Don’t try to convert her, just share with her the teachings of the Church as you come to know them. Have respect for her faith tradition, but tell her in no uncertain terms why you believe in the teachings of Christian orthodoxy.

 

[guanophore]

If I could choose, I’d rather live my faith as they do rather than know the chapter & verse that tell me what example I should provide.

I would as well, bt what if we did not have to choose? It was Catholics that created the Chapters and verses!

 

[13pollitos]

I know a priest that could quote scripture, chapter and verse, and he was able to completely explain why Catholics believe what we do. Catholicism is very Biblical. All the proof we need is in the Bible. This priest would answers Protestants questions about why Catholics do what we do and believe what we believe simply by telling them where to look in the Bible.

It shouldn’t be an either or. We most definetely should be living our faith and knowing or Bible.

 

[LoganBryce]

What do you mean tradition of apollos?

 

[guanophore]

What do you mean tradition of apollos?

Many Protestants are full of zeal and commitment to their faith, but like Apollos in the NT, do not know the whole story.

24 Now there came to Ephesus a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria. He was an eloquent man, well-versed in the scriptures. (Acts 18)

Yet, the do more with less than many Catholics do with the “fullness of faith”.

 

[Wannano]

I understand. My grandparents were hardcore Baptists. My Pawpaw read the whole bible 42 times. I never thought to ask before he died. If I could I would ask how he knew so much but still went there.

Still went where exactly?

 

[exnihilo]

I’m currently a teen, i has a couple of fusses with her about different denominations. BUT SHE DOESNT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT OTHER DENOMINATIONS. I’m kind of angry at her because I’m trying to tell her about other churches with all of this info I’m researching but all she says is I don’t know. How am I supposed to talk to her if she doesn’t know.

It isn’t uncommon to not know about various denominations and their history. It isn’t uncommon to not know about early Church history. If a sick man doesn’t know he is sick then he won’t be looking for a cure. Your mom doesn’t know she is in a sense sick. So she won’t care about a cure. Hounding her about how unhealthy she is won’t likely get her to seek treatment.

I’d recommend slowly, patiently, and lovingly teaching her. Don’t overwhelm her. Just put small things out there. Better yet try asking subtle questions when you can to open her mind. Most importantly don’t get angry at her for not caring about what you may be saying. As soon as you do then you’ve lost even if truth is on your side.

Here’s a thought. Steve Ray converted to Catholicism from the Baptist tradition. He is one of the best apologists I know of.

He is a great apologist, but I believe his father died a Baptist. My point being that ultimately it is up to the Holy Spirit and the individual.

 

[LoganBryce]

Baptist church

 

[Lou2U]

Umm, actually, this guy SHOULD try to convert his mother. That is what the Church teaches. Don’t agree with the Church? Get off this forum.

Flagged. I don’t appreciate being told to “get off this forum”. Nowhere in my post did I go against Church teaching, nor would I in any of my posts on this board.

 

[Lou2U]

The stance of the Church is that people of other faiths should be converted Catholicism. If you are not Catholic, why are you even on this forum??? This is a site for Catholics, not a site for infidels and heretics to go against the Church. So I’ll repeat what I said earlier; get off this forum. You are not welcome.

Flagged again.

 

[recentrevert]

It is not true that we cannot convert people. Of course, it is always God working in someone’s heart that really brings about conversion and we must pray and offer sacrifices of our will for those we seek to convert. Lou2u is an atheist and that is why she says that we should not try to convert people. As Catholics, we know that it is very important to try and bring others to the One True Ark of Salvation, or have bogus theology and false interpretations of the Catechism fooled us all?

 

[Lou2U]

Lou2u is an atheist and that is why she says that we should not try to convert people.

I don’t say Catholics shouldn’t try to convert people. In this specific case I said the OP should “drop” pushing his belief that the Baptist Church is false because it’s getting him nowhere. It’s achieving nothing except upsetting her and angering him. He needs to take a step back, respect where his mother is on her faith journey, and if she wants to, work through the history and theology of Catholicism together.

 

[recentrevert]

Well, ok, it looked as if you were telling him to stop trying to convert his family altogether, to just give up on them, which would be terrible.

 

[Brendea]

However the church also teaches us to respect our parents. Technically whilst a teen and living under their roof he has to honour their wishes in accordance with the 10 comandments

 

[recentrevert]

I hardly think trying to save your parents’ souls is against the fourth commandment.