I Want a New Political Party!

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Why can’t there be a party that more consistently agrees with catholic moral teaching?

Are there really so few people who would like to see:
  1. Abortion treated as any other murder under the law.
  2. Capitol punishment eliminated as unnecessary in our society.
  3. Fair tax structure that doesn’t take all incentive away from investing, but doesn’t excessively favor the ultra-rich.
  4. Social safety nets that serve the poor, but structurally reward hard work, initiative and personal responsibility.
  5. Elimination of so many phony tax deductions and exemptions.
  6. A death tax that takes the entire estate above say $10 million and close the trust loopholes. (Handing a fortune to someone who didn’t work for it never does that person much good)
  7. School vouchers to allow parents to have REAL power over officious school officials and unions.
  8. Environmental laws that sensibly regulate industry to protect our future generations.
  9. Liability reforms that are able to hold irresponsible entities accountable, but aren’t so out of control that fear of lawyers drives every business decision.
  10. Balance the budget. Every year (OK, not during wars).
Numbers 1, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, and 10 eliminate most Dems for since I especially can’t stomach voting for someone who supports a million murders per year.

Republicans fall down on 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 and 10 rather badly. Not much joy there for me, but at least there’s not genocide to suffer with these guys.

3 is not supported by either side. Dems want tax structures so punitive that you’d be a fool to risk all you own to start a new business. Republicans seems to constantly want to find new ways to help rich folks get out of tax burdens.

4 Dems seem to build social programs with the intent to fail so those dependent on them are a nice reliable voting block. They don’t seem to care much how much abuse goes on either. Republicans seem like they wouldn’t notice much if the poor all starved to death. Maybe because they don’t vote republican.

8 is another horribly polarized nightmate. Dems would apparently abolish all industry in the country if left to their ways. Republicans would apparently strip mine the whole place.

Does it seem this way to anybody else? Tell me I’m wrong about the above admittedly broad generalizations. please.
 
Oh yeah, affirmative action based on economic background. Skin color can be a tie - breaker, but I see no reason why Jesse Jackson’s son should be given automatic preferences compared to a white coal miner’s daughter.
 
I have a problem with excessive death taxes, because they often victimize small to medium-sized businesses. With the current system, small businesses are often worth enough to incur the death tax, but most of the value is tied up in land, buildings, equipment, vehicles, inventory, etc., making it impossible for the owner’s heirs to pay the tax without selling the business. Even with your arbitrary $10mil limit, a company with less than a hundred employees could be worth far more than that amount. Yes, people can end up rich without ever having worked for it themselves, but if you can’t pass on more than $10 million to your kids after you die, why should you bother working harder to make any more than that?

Ironically, large corporations aren’t affected as much by estate taxes, since they typically issue stock, and if the majority shareholder dies, his heirs only have to sell a fraction of their shares to cover the taxes, and will still own enough stock to at least be on the company’s board of directors.
 
Me too. Millions of people don’t vote and I can’t blame them. I’m boycotting elections because there is no one I can vote for. I’ve decided that the “lesser of two evils” is a sin. Not voting is a vote for change.
 
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Tom444:
I have a problem with excessive death taxes, because they often victimize small to medium-sized businesses. With the current system, small businesses are often worth enough to incur the death tax, but most of the value is tied up in land, buildings, equipment, vehicles, inventory, etc., making it impossible for the owner’s heirs to pay the tax without selling the business. Even with your arbitrary $10mil limit, a company with less than a hundred employees could be worth far more than that amount. Yes, people can end up rich without ever having worked for it themselves, but if you can’t pass on more than $10 million to your kids after you die, why should you bother working harder to make any more than that?

Ironically, large corporations aren’t affected as much by estate taxes, since they typically issue stock, and if the majority shareholder dies, his heirs only have to sell a fraction of their shares to cover the taxes, and will still own enough stock to at least be on the company’s board of directors.
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If you own a company that successful under my new tax code, you would have an incentive to grant non-voting shares to your top workers instead of hoarding the profits all to yourself. How’s THAT grab you?

Medium sized business owners would need to organize the company ownership along such non-voting share strategies. The kids could inherit effective control even if the bulk of the actual ownership is sold off for tax payment. $10M+ companies can afford the cost of such re-organization.
 
1, 2 would be fine with me.
3, 5 www.fairtax.org btw…Republicans tend to favor simplified tax codes. The only simplified tax code for dems is to tax the rich and no one else…simple.
4 devil is in the details
6 no death tax…what’s the reasoning here? The government gets to decide what one does with an earned (and already taxed) estate?
7 two thumbs up
8, 9, 10 There are people in both parties who are in favor of these. We just need to encourage the growth of these sub-groups within both parties, and they can be achieved.

God Bless,

Robert

PS I’m staying in the Republican party and fighting for what I believe in.
 
I have a problem with #6. I do not think the government should take something that somebody earned. Its unjust.
 
I’m with you except for #6. I agree with Tom and Adonis on that one. (Not that I’ll ever come into contact with that one, either as donor or receipient!)
 
I’m a one man Ultramontanist Party if anyone feels like joining. Church over state baby:D .

Seriosuly though, the reason why no political party will ever be perfect is because the central aspect of politics is compromise–politicians will compromise all day on things the Church never will.
 
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Adonis33:
I have a problem with #6. I do not think the government should take something that somebody earned. Its unjust.
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I work all my life to provide for my family, and someone who I never met comes along and claims my life work because they deserve it more than my children and grandchildren?

No thank you!

By the way – has anyone run these points against the Constitution? The Death Tax is unconstitutional – it’s a direct tax, not apportioned among the states, and doesn’t fall under the 16th Amendment’s exception for an income tax.
 
I always wondered how a Catholic Centre Party would fare in the US and Canada. I can already hear the shouts of “separation of church and state!” coming from the frothing mouths of both leftists and neo-cons. 😛
 
American Catholics desperately need a Catholic labor or social democratic party that would be pro-life (with no incoherent exceptions), pro-family, pro-worker, and anti-war. All other Christians and other people of good will would, of course, be warmly encouraged to work with us in such a party.

Even though our electoral prospects would be dismal at first, the public witness that such a party would bear to the one true Faith and the Christian social order would be enormously significant and powerful and would enjoy the protective intercession of Our Lady of Fatima. Our party would fight uncompromisingly against the errors that Russia has spread throughout the world in various forms since the October Revolution in 1917. Among these errors are the atheistic or militantly secularist state, and legalized abortion.

We could flood into the Constitution Party or the Labor Party and transform it, or we could found a new party.

The plutocracy’s amoral and fraudulent one-party system is a dead end for Catholics. It has given us the current U.S. government, which is increasingly murderous (never forget Terri Schiavo!), materialistic, and godless. Our government represents a social order that has now begun the open persecution of Catholics–just ask a serious Catholic pharmacist.

All U.S. Catholics should begin to study the authentic social doctrine of the Church, including the Church’s teaching on the social kingship of Christ. Please read Pope Pius XI’s encyclical Quas primas:

vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_11121925_quas-primas_en.html

Keep and spread the Faith.
 
How about a Christian Democrat Party?

Rerum Novarum was the inspiration for all the Christian Democratic parties of Europe.
 
If you can’t create a party that’s able to produce a president, don’t distract us from voting for GOP. boycott the voting or creating an uncompetitive small party= voting for democrats
 
Concerning specifically #6, what business is it of yours or the governments, if
Handing a fortune to someone who didn’t work for it never does that person much good
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? So what?
 
manualman said:
6. A death tax that takes the entire estate above say $10 million and close the trust loopholes. (Handing a fortune to someone who didn’t work for it never does that person much good)
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I’m sorry but you must be kidding here. If someone worked hard for that $10 million dollars it is absolutely their right to leave the entire thing to whomever they please. What you advocate is theft in it’s purest form. “Well, it’s just too much for your parents to be allowed to leave you so we’re going to take it all.” That is hardly in line with Catholic teaching. The entire idea of a death tax itself is reprehensible. Seriously, what you advocate here is just staggering. How can honestly reconcile taking a family’s entire fortune that they earned because the person who earned it dies? That really is sick.
 
Actually some of you have a great point. Nothing in catholic teaching specifically calls for confiscation of excess wealth. That’s my own idea. So I’ll defend it.

IMO, the third biggest biggest problem this country faces (#1 abortion/culture of death, #2 excessive gov spending) is the increasing concentration of enormous wealth in the hands of a VERY few. It is very quickly destroying our system of government by placing too much power in the hands of far too few.

Our economy inherently favors those who are already wealthy by the way investment and stock markets systems are designed. If you have deep pockets, opportunities are open to you that just are not to those who do not (prime IPO’s, networking, insider information, etc).

It seems to me that my proposal IS fair in that it confiscates nothing from the people who earned it (they’re dead after all), encourages business owners to treat loyal workers better, resets the social/economic order somewhat with the passing of each generation, and helps protect society from the harmful effects of rich and powerful spoiled brats born into the reins of power (yes, in BOTH parties).

Let’s face it. You do your kids NO big favor by allowing them to never need to work for their living. Anybody have any trouble thinking immediately of two dozen or so spoiled brats in American culture who grew up in wealth and priviledge? I sure don’t. Look beyond the republican rhetoric here folks.

$10 million is plenty to setup your kids for whatever educational needs they want and give them a jump start in a new business or to continue with their share of the family business. It’s NOT enough to live 60 years of the jet-set leisure life. And that’s a good thing.
 
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