I was born in-Vitro, so does that mean God didn't want me to exist?

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I just realized that the Church feels that in-vitro fertilization a sin because a child was brought into the world against God’s plan.

I was born in-vitro.

So by logic, that means that God didn’t intend for me to exist. Right? Otherwise it wouldn’t have been wrong.
 
I just realized that the Church feels that in-vitro fertilization a sin because a child was brought into the world against God’s plan.
I would not put it that way. The Church recognizes the dignity of the child and their right to be born of the marital embrace between their parents.
I was born in-vitro.
God can bring about wonderful things, even when our human nature causes us to go about things in our own way.
So by logic, that means that God didn’t intend for me to exist. Right? Otherwise it wouldn’t have been wrong.
No, we can never say that. God has both a perfect will and a permissive will. We do not know what would have happened, if God would have found another way.

What we CAN say is that God loves each and every person in his creation totally and equally.

He loves YOU.
 
I know, but it just kinda bothers the hell out of me thinking that my parents had to sin just so I could even exist.

Regarding the marital embrace bit, my parents said it was because my dad is infertile, so they had to get a sperm donor.

And also, isn’t in-vitro fertilization not being allowed kind of go against the requirement of people getting married to have children? If a couple is infertile wouldn’t that be against Church teachings as well?
 
I know, but it just kinda bothers the hell out of me thinking that my parents had to sin just so I could even exist.

Regarding the marital embrace bit, my parents said it was because my dad is infertile, so they had to get a sperm donor.

And also, isn’t in-vitro fertilization not being allowed kind of go against the requirement of people getting married to have children? If a couple is infertile wouldn’t that be against Church teachings as well?
Children are the natural outcome of marriage. But we know that not all couples are able to have children. Infertility is not an impediment to marriage.
 
God does not hold the sins of our parents against us.

My parents were teenagers who got pregnant out of wedlock. I would not exist had they followed God’s law.

That does not bother me. My parents should not have done what they did. They will each have to answer for their sins, as will I for my own sins.

I exist. It’s a fact. What could have been or should have been, I will never know.
 
Ah, I see.

Gah, I wish I hadn’t even put two and two together on this one. Now I just feel bad. I mean, think about it, in God’s original plan for the universe, I WASN’T IN IT. I mean, half my DNA was, but not the part of me I got from my mom.

I already have antisocial tendencies and kind of have a problem of not feeling as good as others. The idea that literally I was not supposed to exist in the universe, at least with this combination of genes, REALLY DOES NOT HELP THAT.
 
Ah, I see.

Gah, I wish I hadn’t even put two and two together on this one. Now I just feel bad. I mean, think about it, in God’s original plan for the universe, I WASN’T IN IT. I mean, half my DNA was, but not the part of me I got from my mom.

I already have antisocial tendencies and kind of have a problem of not feeling as good as others. The idea that literally I was not supposed to exist in the universe, at least with this combination of genes, REALLY DOES NOT HELP THAT.
I don’t look at it that way at all. God has known from the beginning of the universe that I would exist. He has loved me from all eternity.

Again, you cannot know what God would have brought about, or how. You must simly trust that his plan for the world does indeed include you because you do exist.

Please get some counseling if you are troubled so much by this. Contact your local pastor for spiritual counsel.
 
I guess. But I mean, it just really sucks. I mean, it’s kind of hard to follow God’s plan for me when I didn’t even start on it.

OH JESUS, does that mean my parents are going to Hell for having me? Because I literally don’t know how I could ever deal with that if so.
 
But we can never know God’s plan. What we do know is you’re here and that God loves you.

The fact is a large number of people wouldn’t exist if everyone waited until marriage, had licit and sacramental marriages and then only conceived children through the natural marital embrace.

I wouldn’t be here (parents had me before they got married)

My husband wouldn’t be here (parents both had multiple divorces they never sorted through before marrying and having him)

My eldest daughter (born before hubby and I were married)

Every single one of my nieces and nephews (all born to fallen away Catholics in illicit marriages)

Hubby’s favorite uncle (born out of an adulterous relationship his mother had while still married)

My mother (born to a teen girl after the father left her. My mom was adopted out).

Come to think of it the people I know who technically belong here would be my youngest child, my sister, my dad and his brothers and sisters.
 
Yeah but…It just bummed the **** out of me. I was going to do homework but I definitely am not in the mood now. I have to study for an exam for tomorrow, but I am just not in any state to write an essay right now.
 
I’m no longer catholic, so I dont see what your parents did ad beig a sin, and you shouldn’t either. Look at how much they wanted you. They couldn’t have a child naturaly, so they went to great lengths to have you. It shows how much they love you. I think what they did was a beautiful thing.
 
Oh I know my parents love me. That I have no doubt of. Just…gah. I wish I wasn’t smart enough to think about this, I wish I could go to sleep and forget I even thought this.
 
🙂
I just realized that the Church feels that in-vitro fertilization a sin because a child was brought into the world against God’s plan.

I was born in-vitro.

So by logic, that means that God didn’t intend for me to exist. Right? Otherwise it wouldn’t have been wrong.
My mother was conceived through the rape of my grandmother. My mom was given up for adoption after birth and later in life met her mother but will never know her biological father.

According to your logic, my two siblings, myself and my four kids and my siblings kids should all not exist -and that’s a lot of people!

…of course it’s not true. 🙂

(If you imagine how many people throughout history were born illegitimately, and all their grandchildren and so on -the numbers might equal something like 100% of all modern humanity)
 
I guess. But I mean, it just really sucks. I mean, it’s kind of hard to follow God’s plan for me when I didn’t even start on it.

OH JESUS, does that mean my parents are going to Hell for having me? Because I literally don’t know how I could ever deal with that if so.
The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham became the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers. Judah became the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar. Perez became the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram…” Matt. 1:1-3

Do you know the story of Tamar and Judah, who are in the lineage that lead to Our Lord? Here it is:

*Judah got a wife named Tamar for his first-born, Er. But Er, Judah’s first-born, greatly offended the LORD; so the LORD took his life.

Then Judah said to Onan, “Unite with your brother’s widow, in fulfillment of your duty as brother-in-law, and thus preserve your brother’s line.” Onan, however, knew that the descendants would not be counted as his; so whenever he had relations with his brother’s widow, he wasted his seed on the ground, to avoid contributing offspring for his brother. What he did greatly offended the LORD, and the LORD took his life too.

Thereupon Judah said to his daughter-in-law Tamar, “Stay as a widow in your father’s house until my son Shelah grows up” - for he feared that Shelah also might die like his brothers. So Tamar went to live in her father’s house.

Years passed, and Judah’s wife, the daughter of Shua, died. After Judah completed the period of mourning, he went up to Timnah for the shearing of his sheep, in company with his friend Hirah the Adullamite. When Tamar was told that her father-in-law was on his way up to Timnah to shear his sheep, she took off her widow’s garb, veiled her face by covering herself with a shawl, and sat down at the entrance to Enaim, which is on the way to Timnah; for she was aware that, although Shelah was now grown up, she had not been given to him in marriage. When Judah saw her, he mistook her for a harlot, since she had covered her face. So he went over to her at the roadside, and not realizing that she was his daughter-in-law, he said, “Come, let me have intercourse with you.” She replied, “What will you pay me for letting you have intercourse with me?” He answered, “I will send you a kid from the flock.” “Very well,” she said, “provided you leave a pledge until you send it.”

Judah asked, “What pledge am I to give to you?” She answered, “Your seal and cord, and the staff you carry.” So he gave them to her and had intercourse with her, and she conceived by him. When she went away, she took off her shawl and put on her widow’s garb again. Judah sent the kid by his friend the Adullamite to recover the pledge from the woman; but he could not find her. So he asked the men of the place, “Where is the temple prostitute, the one by the roadside in Enaim?” But they answered, “There has never been a temple prostitute here.” He went back to Judah and told him, “I could not find her; and besides, the men of the place said there was no temple prostitute there.” “Let her keep the things,” Judah replied; “otherwise we shall become a laughingstock. After all, I did send her the kid, even though you were unable to find her.”

About three months later, Judah was told that his daughter-in-law Tamar had played the harlot and was then with child from her harlotry. “Bring her out,” cried Judah; “she shall be burned.” But as they were bringing her out, she sent word to her father-in-law, “It is by the man to whom these things belong that I am with child. Please verify,” she added, “whose seal and cord and whose staff these are.” Judah recognized them and said, “She is more in the right than I am, since I did not give her to my son Shelah.” But he had no further relations with her. When the time of her delivery came, she was found to have twins in her womb. *
Gen. 38:6-27

Look carefully at that geneology…do you see Solomon’s mother was the wife of Uriah, the Hittite? Do you remember that story? Was Solomon not part of God’s plan because of the sin of David committed to get Bathsheba? By no means!

Perez and Zerah were part of God’s plan, even though they came to be through a situation of both betrayal and deception. Solomon, too, was part of God’s plan, even though he would have not come to be without King David’s great sin. Do you know that there is a prayer for the Easter Vigil that says this? “O happy fault, O necessary sin of Adam. which gained for us so great a Redeemer!” Never be afraid that you are not part of God’s plan, then.

Look at the Cross. It is the worst thing that ever happened, the greatest crime that ever happened. What did God make of it? God made of it the best thing that ever happened. How is that possible? Because there is no situation that God cannot transform on behalf of those who trust him.

Your parents did something that was objectively wrong, but even if they are entirely to blame for their choice, that puts you in very plentiful company. Jesus was born of a sinless mother. None of the rest of us were. Even Our Lord has a lot of “interesting stories” in his background! We are each in God’s plan, and so are you. We should all pray for our parents, and you ought to do so no more nor less than the rest of us.
 
God does not hold the sins of our parents against us.

My parents were teenagers who got pregnant out of wedlock. I would not exist had they followed God’s law.

That does not bother me. My parents should not have done what they did. They will each have to answer for their sins, as will I for my own sins.

I exist. It’s a fact. What could have been or should have been, I will never know.
Well, God kinda does hold the sins of our “parents” against us if you consider Adam and Eve parents of the human race.
 
Well, God kinda does hold the sins of our “parents” against us if you consider Adam and Eve parents of the human race.
How true. We’re all sinners - clearly! 😃

(Kind of explains some of the ‘experiences’ posters have been talking about on this thread 😉 )
 
Ah, I see.

Gah, I wish I hadn’t even put two and two together on this one. Now I just feel bad. I mean, think about it, in God’s original plan for the universe, I WASN’T IN IT. I mean, half my DNA was, but not the part of me I got from my mom.

I already have antisocial tendencies and kind of have a problem of not feeling as good as others. The idea that literally I was not supposed to exist in the universe, at least with this combination of genes, REALLY DOES NOT HELP THAT.
Our bodies are all made out of the same stardust. Our souls however can come only from God. To prove to ourselves that we have a soul all we need to do is remember one merciful act we’ve done for another without expecting something in return… It’s called love. If we can at least do that, then we can rest easy knowing that God is in us.
 
I would not put it that way. The Church recognizes the dignity of the child and their right to be born of the marital embrace between their parents.

God can bring about wonderful things, even when our human nature causes us to go about things in our own way.

No, we can never say that. God has both a perfect will and a permissive will. We do not know what would have happened, if God would have found another way.

What we CAN say is that God loves each and every person in his creation totally and equally.

He loves YOU.
This is a wonderful post. 👍

God sometimes permits evil for the sake of a greater good. In this case, he permitted humans, of their own free will, to commit an objectively sinful act, because there was a greater good that He willed. That greater good is your existence. God loves you. 👍
 
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