Of course he was in need of grace - grace keeps your soul alive.
This is what is meant by being in a state of grace.
Which has what to do with it? It’s still grace, even though it was Adam’s natural state, because of the fact that it wasn’t sin.
That’s an oxymoron.
Not at all. Every ending is a beginning. When you come to “the end” in a story, it is the beginning of the next thing you are doing, after you read the story.
Like loving those who hate you …
No, “grace” has to do with man’s redemption from sin. Not Adam’s created state before sin entered into the world through him.
To be in the state of grace is to be in the state of Adam and Eve before they sinned.
Actually, men are to put their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation: “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved…” (Acts 16:31).
As I said, grace presupposes a need for it; without evil, wickedness and sin, no need exists for grace; therefore, Adam was in condition other than grace—innocence.
What I said wasn’t confusing; you’re playing me.
The opposite of grace is not-grace.
That would be by grace; your church understands and acknowledges the necessity of grace, but has never understood the sufficiency of it.
Grace is to be in a right relationship with God. To not be in a right relationship with God is to be in sin.As I said, grace presupposes a need for it; without evil, wickedness and sin, no need exists for grace; therefore, Adam was in condition other than grace—innocence.
What I said wasn’t confusing; you’re playing me.
The opposite of grace is not-grace.
You’re slowly and subtly changing what you originally said.
In what way?You were specifically referencing Adam’s creation and are now moving away from that to a general statement.
Adam was created in a state of grace, because to be in a state of grace is to be in a right relationship with God.
You won’t support that, and you won’t submit to the truth.What are you looking for, by way of support?
The innocence of Adam was that he had no knowledge of evil; that’s because there was no evil, no sin in the world at that time.What are you looking for, by way of support?
You haven’t disagreed yet that to be in a state of grace is to be in a right relationship with God. Adam started out in a right relationship with God - that is to say, he started out in the state of grace. You said, “No, he was innocent.”
Well, everyone who is in the state of grace is innocent - either because they have never sinned and are in a right relationship with God, or because their sins have been forgiven and washed away, and they are in a right relationship with God. Either way, they have no sins (they are innocent) and they are in a right relationship with God.
Do you disagree with that?
So, since he was not in a state of sin, therefore, he was in a state of grace.
He was not in a state of sin because there was no sin; grace presupposses a need for grace; namely sin. Without sin, there is no need for grace; thus, Adam was created in a state of innocence.
And being innocent, he was in a state of grace.