I was shocked

[Lutheranteach]

Wouldn’t it all rather depend on the age of the pupils and whether the curriculum aims at indoctrination or critical appraisal?

Surely, with older pupils, the idea that there is an argument and what the argument is about would be rather important from the point of view of understanding their faith in the context of a world of differing beliefs?

Or would it be better to be thoroughly indoctrinated but unable to deal with the argument?

I’m not looking for great depth and theological arguments. What I am looking to accomplish is to get some kids who have literally never had a protestant friend, neighbor, or classmate and introduce the notion that there are those who have some differing, but similar beliefs and hold them as deeply as they hold their own. Many of the 8th graders I deal with can tell you a lot about muslims or jews…but nothing about mainstream protestants. I’ve just found it odd that Catholic kids can tell me that muslims do A, B, and C because of X, Y, and Z. But can’t do that with any of the people attending churches within a mile of their own.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Never heard of First Monday

Although we did First Friday, mandatory. It happened during class hours so some classes were suspended for it. There’s also daily Mass at the various chapels around campus.

 

[ConstantineTG]

I’m not looking for great depth and theological arguments. What I am looking to accomplish is to get some kids who have literally never had a protestant friend, neighbor, or classmate and introduce the notion that there are those who have some differing, but similar beliefs and hold them as deeply as they hold their own. Many of the 8th graders I deal with can tell you a lot about muslims or jews…but nothing about mainstream protestants. I’ve just found it odd that Catholic kids can tell me that muslims do A, B, and C because of X, Y, and Z. But can’t do that with any of the people attending churches within a mile of their own.

Sadly today’s “mainstream” Protestants are Evangelicals, Pentecostals or Non-Denominationals. I’ve known people in those circles but I personally don’t know a Lutheran or Anglican.

 

[dosdog]

Never heard of First Monday

Although we did First Friday, mandatory. It happened during class hours so some classes were suspended for it. There’s also daily Mass at the various chapels around campus.

First Day
"Today bring to Me all mankind, especially all sinners,

and immerse them in the ocean of My mercy. In this way you will console Me in the bitter grief into which the loss of souls plunges Me."

Most Merciful Jesus, whose very nature it is to have compassion on us and to forgive us, do not look upon our sins but upon our trust which we place in Your infinite goodness. Receive us all into the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart, and never let us escape from It. We beg this of You by Your love which unites You to the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon all mankind and especially upon poor sinners, all enfolded in the Most Compassionate Heart of Jesus. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion show us Your mercy, that we may praise the omnipotence of Your mercy for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[placido]

To be clear. I teach language arts and one religion class per week…and only teach those classes where beliefs overlap. Although this year I will be teaching an elective comparing protestant and Catholic beliefs with a Catholic instructor.

Depends on who the students are. If that is just a Catholic-owned private school where every parent pays (a huge amount) for his/her child’s education, then there is no problem with having a Lutheran teacher because some students may be Lutheran too, but if that is a Catholic school in the sense of (name removed by moderator)arting Catholic education, then having a Lutheran teaching religion would be problematic.

placido

 

[dosdog]

Depends on who the students are. If that is just a Catholic-owned private school where every parent pays (a huge amount) for his/her child’s education, then there is no problem with having a Lutheran teacher because some students may be Lutheran too, but if that is a Catholic school in the sense of (name removed by moderator)arting Catholic education, then having a Lutheran teaching religion would be problematic.

placido

Yes it would - Can we get Hitler to teach at a Jewish school? Or maybe a Muslim

 

[Lutheranteach]

Not having been to a Catholic school, I’m not sure how common it is for non-Catholics to teach in them. Ideally, I think Catholic schools should only be taught by Catholics. It’s the whole reason parents send their children there, right? If the only people teaching at a Catholic school are protestant, is it truly Catholic? A person’s beliefs or lack of them come through in what they say and do, no matter how hard they try to stop it. For instance, a protestant teacher might not be as likely to suggest writing a poem to Mary as a writing assignment. Catholicism isn’t going to be as woven into the fabric of the school when most teachers are not Catholic. That’s the problem with my parish’s school right now - parents are very upset that the teachers are not being true to the Catholic faith. For instance, my friend’s child was given a writing assignment in an English class to talk about something they believe, what the Church says about it, and why they believe differently. If the child did not believe what the Church did, the teacher didn’t really care to help the child understand why their beliefs should match the Church’s.
So, even if you did not teach religion classes, not being Catholic will have an impact. And because you are going to be teaching a religion class, the impact is going to be greater. It sounds like you have already had issues with that and have had to ask the principal to accomodate your lack of belief by making changes to who teaches certain subjects. That’s not an ideal situation.
It may have been shocking to hear that maybe you should not be teaching at a Catholic school, but I do not think the person was out of line for suggesting it.

The first of those assignments is a good one and could be graded on rhyme, meter, format, etc. without a problem. The second one is problematic from the start and I’ve no idea how any teacher could assign it. If the student disagree with a church teaching and produces a paper that is well written, well thought out and has supported their points does a teacher reduce the grade because it doesn’t reflect the religious teaching of the school? If the student is non-Catholic do they immediately get a lower grade? Does a student who believes the specific teaching get a better grade for a low quality paper than the student who disagrees but produces a really fine paper?

and if anyone here said they think it’s not the best thing for me to teach at a Catholic School. I’m cool with that. I’m not cool with the someone telling me “I must not” and hinting I should resign yesterday. As for having others teach the class at times. It’s a mutual thing that was suggested me by the principal. His choice as much as mine.

 

[dosdog]

The first of those assignments is a good one and could be graded on rhyme, meter, format, etc. without a problem. The second one is problematic from the start and I’ve no idea how any teacher could assign it. If the student disagree with a church teaching and produces a paper that is well written, well thought out and has supported their points does a teacher reduce the grade because it doesn’t reflect the religious teaching of the school? If the student is non-Catholic do they immediately get a lower grade? Does a student who believes the specific teaching get a better grade for a low quality paper than the student who disagrees but produces a really fine paper?

and if anyone here said they think it’s not the best thing for me to teach at a Catholic School. I’m cool with that. I’m not cool with the someone telling me “I must not” and hinting I should resign yesterday. As for having others teach the class at times. It’s a mutual thing that was suggested me by the principal. His choice as much as mine.

-That is not it-
Why do Catholics teach what they teach?
ewtn.com/faith/teachings/index.htm
ewtn.com/new_library/index.asp

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I read once a Protestant declared the Apocrapha was invalid because divorce was allowed

Well “YES” ( divorce was allowed) and even mandated in some cases

• Moses made that call and most Jews still accept it today-
  The Apocrapha was written long before Jesus was born

 

[JRKH]

Asked by CAF member to quit my teaching job because I’m not Catholic.

I was a bit shocked to receive this as a private message. I took the name off as I don’t think it’s proper to call someone out publicly. But I did want others opinion. If this is a general consensus I’ll consider it. But I’ve not had a complaint from a teacher, student, student’s parent, the parish priest, the principal, or anyone else. Anyway. Here is the message:

I appreciate your honesty & your love of Jesus, but you must not teach at a Catholic School, as you are truly being dishonest & subverting the teachings of the Catholic Church, which is the Church founded by Jesus Christ, which you do not believe in!

If you truly believe in a church founded by a mere man. Luther, then teach at a Lutheran school & sleep well!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

If you are doing this, then I agree that you should quit your job.
Otherwise, no. When I went to Catholic School we had lay teachers who were not catholic, and it was never a problem because religion was always taught by a nun. To be honest, as kids, we never really much thought about it.

If I may ask, was there something particular that prompted this person to send this message?

Peace
James

 

[zdon011]

Well, Lutheranteach, you should try to come to some sort of understanding with that poster.

These Catholic teachers were recently very shocked :

blogs.laweekly.com/informer/odd-news/christian-school-fires-catholi/

Didn’t know whether to laugh or cry at that story.

A sect of heretics decide that the Catholic Church isn’t ‘Christian’ enough:
That’s worse than me immigrating to the UK and telling the Queen she’s not ‘English’ enough.

A sect of heretics (with a mutilated 66-book Bible) decide that the Church that determined and transmitted the (correct, 73-book) Canon of Scripture is not ‘Bible-believing’:
That’s like me joining up as a Communist and then declaring that Karl Marx didn’t know a thing about Das Kapital.

And they decide that Catholics think salvation is ‘earned’. Why? Because of their hoary old Protestant propaganda about ‘works-based salvation’.

I doubt these people know anything about Christianity beyond their parochial, triumphalist, theologically-illiterate, Modernist, happy-clappy WASP-ism. They are not of the faith and line of the Apostles.

 

[St_Francis]

As a Catholic homeschooler, I think that it would be best if the school hired someone Catholic to teach language arts, so as to include the Catholic point of view when reading literature.

OTOH, I do not think it incumbent on the teacher to resign if he was Lutheran when he was hired and the school was aware of that.

If my children were in that school, I would have an issue with the situation, but I would take it up with the school, not the teacher.

 

[dosdog]

As a Catholic homeschooler, I think that it would be best if the school hired someone Catholic to teach language arts, so as to include the Catholic point of view when reading literature.

OTOH, I do not think it incumbent on the teacher to resign if he was Lutheran when he was hired and the school was aware of that.

If my children were in that school, I would have an issue with the situation, but I would take it up with the school, not the teacher.

Why would a Lutheran seek a job at a Catholic School?

As a Catholic my next job is to apply to teach at BYU - I know Notre Dame is a better fit

 

[AmateurPianist]

Sadly today’s “mainstream” Protestants are Evangelicals, Pentecostals or Non-Denominationals. I’ve known people in those circles but I personally don’t know a Lutheran or Anglican.

Sadly??? Oh the prejudice.

A sect of heretics (with a mutilated 66-book Bible)

OK. I am taking a long break here. My blood is boiling. It’s not worth it. I don’t need to take the insults.

Some of you really need ti take courses on how to communicate with the other faith.

You guys as the one true church and at the same time acting like this.

To answer your question…those hiring you are those who are in authority over you and whom you are accountable here.

Folks here are anonymous people over the internet. So you tell me whose opinions should carry (much) more weight.

 

[JonNC]

These Catholic teachers were recently very shocked :

blogs.laweekly.com/informer/odd-news/christian-school-fires-catholi/

A decade or so ago, I applied for a teaching position at a large and well known Christian School. During a phone interview I was asked about my faith. The conversation was cut short because my Lutheran belief didn’t “fit” their Christian message.

Jon

 

[dosdog]

Sadly??? Oh the prejudice.

OK. I am taking a long break here. My blood is boiling.

You guys as the one true church.

To answer your question…those hiring you are those who are in authority over you and whom you are accountable here.

Folks here are anonymous people over the internet. So you tell me whose opinions should carry (much) more weight.

Hebrews 13:17
Obey your prelates, and be subject to them. For they watch as being to render an account of your souls; that they may do this with joy, and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you.

 

[BILL_PICK53]

Asked by CAF member to quit my teaching job because I’m not Catholic.

I was a bit shocked to receive this as a private message. I took the name off as I don’t think it’s proper to call someone out publicly. But I did want others opinion. If this is a general consensus I’ll consider it. But I’ve not had a complaint from a teacher, student, student’s parent, the parish priest, the principal, or anyone else. Anyway. Here is the message:

I appreciate your honesty & your love of Jesus, but you must not teach at a Catholic School, as you are truly being dishonest & subverting the teachings of the Catholic Church, which is the Church founded by Jesus Christ, which you do not believe in!

If you truly believe in a church founded by a mere man. Luther, then teach at a Lutheran school & sleep well!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

YES ,are you not at a Luthern church and why are you teaching at a CC Luthern churchs are not like CC and you can get people confused,why not go to a Bap. church and do your preacher WHY THE CC

 

[crazzeto]

If the priest and principal do not have a problem with your being Lutheran, as obviously they don’t as they hired you, ignore this person.

Peace

Mark+

I can see an advantage to keeping staff at a Catholic School 100% Catholic, in so far as the leadership and example it sets for the Childeren. But ultimatly as long has he’s not teaching theology, religion or someother such subject which I think would requires your 100% personal consent to Magesterail teaching then I don’t see why Lutheranteach couldn’t be one very effective and even loved teacher in his School.

Like you Mark, I leave it in the hads of the Pastor and Principal.

 

[dosdog]

I can see an advantage to keeping staff at a Catholic School 100% Catholic, in so far as the leadership and example it sets for the Childeren. But ultimatly as long has he’s not teaching theology, religion or someother such subject which I think would requires your 100% personal consent to Magesterail teaching then I don’t see why Lutheranteach couldn’t be one very effective and even loved teacher in his School.

Like you Mark, I leave it in the hads of the Pastor and Principal.

I agree - I don’t understand why a Hamas supporter can’t teach math at a Jewish school

Luther is the Catholics Al’queda

 

[crazzeto]

I agree - I don’t understand why a Hamas supporter can’t teach math at a Jewish school

Yeeow, that’s a touch extreme…

 

[dosdog]

Yeeow, that’s a touch extreme…

Catholics. In 1688, the figure was 22 percent, and by 1703 it was fourteen percent.The Protestant population, about one-tenth of the total

Not only were Catholics forbidden to vote or join the army or navy, but it became illegal to educate a child in the Catholic faith; they could not teach, open their own schools or send their children to be educated abroad. Catholics could neither buy land nor inherit it, other than by the equal division of estates between all sons. There were vast rewards for turning Protes*tant; a male convert was entitled to all his brothers’ inheritance, a female to her husband’s property. Irish language, music and literature were banned, as was the saying of the Mass.