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JonNC said:
I would say it depends on the circumstances. If it is young children, given an appropriate curriculum, I know I could teach (convincingly, I might add) the Catholic view of the papacy. If it is high school, and the intention is to provide opposing points of view (not a bad idea as preparation for when they are confronted by said opposing points of view as they get older), then within the confines of objectively providing such, that might be the place and time.

uring the last election cycle, I was asked by my kids in the classroom on more than one occasion who I was voting for in the election. They had to ask because I made sure they didn’t know. And when asked, I told them I was not willing to share, primarily because if I disagreed with their parents, it would cause tension between student and teacher. That would be the same response were I teaching in a Catholic school where I was hired to teach Catholic children about Catholicism.

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I do things in a very similar fashion. As NOT every student in class is Catholic I don’t use the terms “we” or “we all” believe this or that because not every student in the class does. I use the terms “Catholics believe” or “The Catholic Church teaches us that…”
 
Lutheranteach said:
I do things in a very similar fashion. As NOT every student in class is Catholic I don’t use the terms “we” or “we all” believe this or that because not every student in the class does. I use the terms “Catholics believe” or “The Catholic Church teaches us that…”
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Then, as has been mentioned before, if you have the confidence of the school and its leadership, there is no real reason for you to not continue in your teaching.

Jon
 
Lutheranteach said:
I do things in a very similar fashion. As NOT every student in class is Catholic I don’t use the terms “we” or “we all” believe this or that because not every student in the class does. I use the terms “Catholics believe” or “The Catholic Church teaches us that…”
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How sad.

Talk about holding faith at arm’s length instead of internalizing it. At such an impressionable age, this is very troubling indeed.
 
This thread is very troubling to me. Non-Catholic instructing Catholics??? And people even have to ask what is wrong with THe Church today. I am proud to say none of you non-Catholics would ever step foot in a classroom run by the SSPX unless you were raising your child in the One True Faith and he/she was enrolled there. If that makes us bad people…then call us whatever you may wish. At least our children leave knowing truly what Catholicism is. Not some heretics version of it. On another note, anyone associated with the adminstration that has anything to do with her being hired and continuing to work there, should be relieved of their duties. This is very troubling.
 
Yeah, there is no reason if she teaches at a Lutheran school. However, she does not work at a Lutheran school, she works at a Catholic School. She needs to resign and/or stop having anything to do with classes that teach religion.
JonNC said:
Then, as has been mentioned before, if you have the confidence of the school and its leadership, there is no real reason for you to not continue in your teaching.

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luteranteach you seem to spend a lot of time here trying to tell catholics where we are going wrong, but say you don’t do this in the classroom, i’m sorry but i don’t believe you. i’ts just wrong on so many levels.
 
Lutheranteach said:
To be clear. I teach language arts and one religion class per week…and only teach those classes where beliefs overlap. Although this year I will be teaching an elective comparing protestant and Catholic beliefs with a Catholic instructor.
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I think this has to be the most dangerous of all why to catholics need to find out what protestant believe this is certainly going to confuse students. at whose request is this class being started?
 
OK, LT- you and I have had our debates over time but frankly I have no issue with you teaching language at a Catholic school because your morality would not differ so much that it would show through in this setting. Now as far as the religion class goes- IMO if I were a paying parent paying hard earned money to send a child to Catholic school so my child could receive Catholic catechesis - I want them receiving that from a Catholic - preferably a priest, brother, nun, or member of a third order recognized by the Vatican.

Now, that is not to say that you do not have valid points that I respect. 😉 👍 I would have no problem maybe once a year bringing you in as a guest speaker - and having these discussions because I think once a week lends itself too much to moral relativism which is not licit or moral and has been spoken out against by Papal authority.

God bless you for trying to be true to yourself while taking care of everyone else and serving God as He has called you - that is a rough place to be.
 
Speaking from experience, when I had religion classes, I was taught by a Catholic teacher. She made every other religion or denomination sound like they wanted to kill every single Catholic out there. Now that I am in highschool, I wish I had had the oppertunity to learn about the other faiths, instead of just fear mongering. Most of my friends in highschool, are either Baptist, or Evangelicals. They know my positions on faith, and we have had DISCUSSIONS, not arguments over faith.

Since I was taught to fear them, I was very reluctant to befriend any of them. However, after speaking with them, and visiting a few of their churches (after I fulfilled my Sunday obligation), I have yet to find one who is willing to have a full out argument with me over religion.

IMO the class description that LutheranTeach is giving, sounds like a good idea to me. The students find out more about their faith, and also about the faith of others in a way that doesn’t make them think that everyone else thinks they are going to hell/
 
Redratfish said:
Speaking from experience, when I had religion classes, I was taught by a Catholic teacher. She made every other religion or denomination sound like they wanted to kill every single Catholic out there. Now that I am in highschool, I wish I had had the oppertunity to learn about the other faiths, instead of just fear mongering. Most of my friends in highschool, are either Baptist, or Evangelicals. They know my positions on faith, and we have had DISCUSSIONS, not arguments over faith.

Since I was taught to fear them, I was very reluctant to befriend any of them. However, after speaking with them, and visiting a few of their churches (after I fulfilled my Sunday obligation), I have yet to find one who is willing to have a full out argument with me over religion.

IMO the class description that LutheranTeach is giving, sounds like a good idea to me. The students find out more about their faith, and also about the faith of others in a way that doesn’t make them think that everyone else thinks they are going to hell/
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I’m pretty much the opposite of you 🙂

In my religion class (in a Catholic School) we had to learn about Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Toaism, and Hinduism. We also learned about Kant and Aristotle. It was interesting, but I really wish that we had learned about Catholicism. Children are so poorly catechized these days, I feel like every opportunity to teach them about Catholicism should be taken. Maybe a unit on different Protestant heresies could be taught, but I feel like the overall emphasis should be on the Catholic Church.
 
What is the position of Lutheran schools allowing Catholics to teach the Lutheran faith?
 
Pilgrim1701 said:
What is the position of Lutheran schools allowing Catholics to teach the Lutheran faith?
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Im pretty sure it the same as with Catholic schools, it depends on the school, and each school makes its own decisions.
 
Todd520 said:
A Comparative Religion class, or one on core Luthern doctrine? It’s a big difference in qualification
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“Demonstrable knowledge of Lutheran theology” is the standard qualification.
 
saveusfromhell said:
I think this has to be the most dangerous of all why do catholics need to find out what protestant believe this is certainly going to confuse students. at whose request is this class being started?
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All Catholics need to know about Cranmer, Luther, the 95 theses, Zwingli, the Elizabethan Settlement, all aspects of the reformation.

Why do they need to know this? So that they can effectively engage others in discussions.

Have you guys ever read the 95 theses? You would agree with a lot of them.
 
paulniva. no i have never read 95 thesis in fact i have no idea what your talking about. i’m not stupid but remembering 95 thesis not going to happen:D not all have the same intellect some will be very good at remembering and engaging in debate. many will get muddled and confuse the two over time.
 
PaulinVA said:
All Catholics need to know about Cranmer, Luther, the 95 theses, Zwingli, the Elizabethan Settlement, all aspects of the reformation.

Why do they need to know this? So that they can effectively engage others in discussions.

Have you guys ever read the 95 theses? You would agree with a lot of them.
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Logical position, IMO.

GKC
 
PaulinVA said:
All Catholics need to know about Cranmer, Luther, the 95 theses, Zwingli, the Elizabethan Settlement, all aspects of the reformation.

Why do they need to know this? So that they can effectively engage others in discussions.

Have you guys ever read the 95 theses? You would agree with a lot of them.
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In a senior level religious history, comparative religion, or theology class in high school or college, certainly these topics would be appropriate.

In a junior high religion classroom, they are not appropriate.

We aren’t talking about adults here.
 
And just to reiterate, it would be appropriate if only a devout, practicing Catholic taught Catholics regarding these topics–because we want to ensure authenticly Catholic material is being taught to the children
1ke said:
In a senior level religious history, comparative religion, or theology class in high school or college, certainly these topics would be appropriate.

In a junior high religion classroom, they are not appropriate.

We aren’t talking about adults here.
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JonNC said:
I would say it depends on the circumstances. If it is young children, given an appropriate curriculum, I know I could teach (convincingly, I might add) the Catholic view of the papacy. If it is high school, and the intention is to provide opposing points of view (not a bad idea as preparation for when they are confronted by said opposing points of view as they get older), then within the confines of objectively providing such, that might be the place and time.

uring the last election cycle, I was asked by my kids in the classroom on more than one occasion who I was voting for in the election. They had to ask because I made sure they didn’t know. And when asked, I told them I was not willing to share, primarily because if I disagreed with their parents, it would cause tension between student and teacher. That would be the same response were I teaching in a Catholic school where I was hired to teach Catholic children about Catholicism.

Jon
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No offense,but I first cannot understand why a Catholic school would hire a Lutheran? Indeed,we share many things in common,but I would believe our differences may or could affect your positions or views about Catholic teachings?

Please feel to add your view.
 
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