I was wrong about Harry Potter

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People, most of the posts on here are meant to be jokes. This wasn’t intended to be a Harry Potter debate thread…🤷
 
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Jwlynas said:
I hesitate to mention the book with the most witches, deaths, genocide, magic, inexpilicably speaking inanimate objects and all manner of unholiness.

So I won’t… but I would like y’all to think on which book involves prostitutes, witches, speaking foilage, the culling of an entire world, talking animals with power over the actions of humans, and all manner of sins and unholy happenings.

And in the finest tradition of the Basilisk mentioned earlier in this thread i will name this book

“elbib eht”

Just a thought…
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It is true that this material is found in the Bible (curious that you spelled it backwards). But surely you aren’t comparing the inspired Word of God with the Harry Potter series. Are you?

In any case the issue is about how the material is dealt with. A text communicates with its audience not on the basis of the presence or absence of certain individuals or events but on how those characters and events are partrayed. How they behave.

Children’s minds are formed by what they take in. Texts such as those in the Potter series (amongst others), whose primary audience is children and young people normalize witchcraft, sorcery, occult practices etc. There are many such books available in the children’s section in any bookstore now.

This is not a matter about which diligent parents should be ambivalent. Children’s minds need to be nurtured so that they can become holy. Nurturing requires protection from anything that can cause harm.

The Potter books cause harm. Look at the behaviour of the characters…those who are"the good guys". They achieve thier goals frequently by lying, betrayal, the use of practices forbidden by Our Lord.

Be wise.
 
I would now go into an admiring though admittedly heathen post, but dammit this too good a thread for that, so instead I will suggest other books to condemn!

Discworld. That world goes about on the back of four elephants, who in turn are atop a huge turtle, which clearly goes against the creationism that we all know to be true. Witches and wizards are prevailent, though both are flawed in many ways and the witches tend to refrian from magic, instead using psychology to influence the minds of men. Much like the devil who uses not miracles, merely nudges the hearts and minds of men.
The Gods within Discworld clearly parody The Lord our God, especially Om, a god who does not interfer in the actions of men and whose followers go door to door handing out their views that the world is in fact a globe, and that Om is the only true deity.

Just a though, admittedly not as well demonstrated as some of the other posters.
 
bobertsoft said:
The Potter books cause harm. Look at the behaviour of the characters…those who are"the good guys". They achieve thier goals frequently by lying, betrayal, the use of practices forbidden by Our Lord.

Be wise.
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I have all seven books.Can you give me the page numbers where I can find the above.? Thanks in advance!
 
bobertsoft said:
Children’s minds are formed by what they take in. Texts such as those in the Potter series (amongst others), whose primary audience is children and young people normalize witchcraft, sorcery, occult practices etc. There are many such books available in the children’s section in any bookstore now.
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There is nothing “imitable” in Harry Potter. Your child will simply not be able to turn you into a pumpkin merely by speaking backwards and adding Latin suffixes. There is nothing for you to fear.
This is not a matter about which diligent parents should be ambivalent. Children’s minds need to be nurtured so that they can become holy. Nurturing requires protection from anything that can cause harm.
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Which would seem to include almost the entire canon of English children’s literature, which is absolutely rife with witches, faeries, talking animals, flying children, and other “unholy demons.”
The Potter books cause harm. Look at the behaviour of the characters…those who are"the good guys". They achieve thier goals frequently by lying, betrayal, the use of practices forbidden by Our Lord.
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Look at the behaviour of every child hero in every children’s book ever written. Not a single one of them ever says, “Mommy, Daddy, what should I do?” No - they all try to solve their own problems, and they all make mistakes and experience consequences.
 
I have the solution to everyone’s problem with how to judge reading material for young children. It is called parenting. Here is what you do.

Take the questionable book, read it yourself. Decide if it is appropriate for your child’s age and individual maturity level. If not or if the book contradicts your family’s moral values, don’t let your child read the book.

If you have trouble deciding then it is alright to listen to the opinion of others who you find reliable. Just remember that, you the parent has to be the one to decide.

Responsible parenting is not for the weak of heart.:knight1:
 
Bob, the first example of ‘good guy characters acting in bad ways’ that bothered me in the very first book was Hermione’s lie when Harry and Ron saved her from the troll. Remember? She told Minerva and the others that SHE (not Harry and Ron) had decided to go after the troll and that THEY stopped her. This was simply not true (and Harry and Ron were ‘stunned’ that Hermione had lied to a TEACHER).

It was after this that Hermione was ‘accepted’ by Ron (who had previously not only found her insistence on abiding by rules annoying, but whose rude comment to Hermione earlier was the reason that she had FLED to the girls’ bathroom and had wound up in danger from the troll in the FIRST place).

As the books continue we find Hermione more and more ready to drop her adherence to the rules if the boys ask her to ‘help’, then further she herself ‘decides’ when and what rules to disregard. And this is presented as praiseworthy ‘character development’, as healthy.

I’m not saying that one should ‘slavishly’ obey rules --we all know that a ‘rule’ can be immoral and SHOULD be broken.

But this example of lying above (‘rule breaking against honesty’) is not an example of Hermione’s resistance of an ‘immoral’ rule. Rather, her lie itself is sinful. She should not have lied, not to anyone. And being rewarded for that lie with ‘friendship’ and admiration --that friendship was built on a foundation of mutual deception of the ‘teachers/leaders’. Yes, Hermione was ‘punished’ by having points taken from her, and ‘losing ground’ in McGonagall’s good opinion, but the former was ‘less’ than the points that would have been taken from Gryffindor had Harry and Ron been properly punished, and the latter was merely temporary.

My opinion, of course–but argued from reason.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
Bob, the first example of ‘good guy characters acting in bad ways’ that bothered me in the very first book was Hermione’s lie when Harry and Ron saved her from the troll. Remember? She told Minerva and the others that SHE (not Harry and Ron) had decided to go after the troll and that THEY stopped her. This was simply not true (and Harry and Ron were ‘stunned’ that Hermione had lied to a TEACHER).

It was after this that Hermione was ‘accepted’ by Ron (who had previously not only found her insistence on abiding by rules annoying, but whose rude comment to Hermione earlier was the reason that she had FLED to the girls’ bathroom and had wound up in danger from the troll in the FIRST place).

As the books continue we find Hermione more and more ready to drop her adherence to the rules if the boys ask her to ‘help’, then further she herself ‘decides’ when and what rules to disregard. And this is presented as praiseworthy ‘character development’, as healthy.

I’m not saying that one should ‘slavishly’ obey rules --we all know that a ‘rule’ can be immoral and SHOULD be broken.

But this example of lying above (‘rule breaking against honesty’) is not an example of Hermione’s resistance of an ‘immoral’ rule. Rather, her lie itself is sinful. She should not have lied, not to anyone. And being rewarded for that lie with ‘friendship’ and admiration --that friendship was built on a foundation of mutual deception of the ‘teachers/leaders’. Yes, Hermione was ‘punished’ by having points taken from her, and ‘losing ground’ in McGonagall’s good opinion, but the former was ‘less’ than the points that would have been taken from Gryffindor had Harry and Ron been properly punished, and the latter was merely temporary.

My opinion, of course–but argued from reason.
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By the standards applied to the Haryy Potter series we would have to reject every single childrens/teen book that was ever written. Basically what you are stateing above is that the Books must be condemned because Hermoine was acting like a teenager.
 
estesbob said:
By the standards applied to the Haryy Potter series we would have to reject every single childrens/teen book that was ever written. Basically what you are stateing above is that the Books must be condemned because Hermoine was acting like a teenager.
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estesbob said:
By the standards applied to the Haryy Potter series we would have to reject every single childrens/teen book that was ever written. Basically what you are stateing above is that the Books must be condemned because Hermoine was acting like a teenager.
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We can’t very well have that, can we, not if our children are to be brought up properly? If it takes keeping 'em in an iron lung until they’re 18, that’s what we’ll have to do!
 
Mirdath said:
We can’t very well have that, can we, not if our children are to be brought up properly? If it takes keeping 'em in an iron lung until they’re 18, that’s what we’ll have to do!
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that’s what I do. I don’t let my children out of the basement until I’ve picked their future mates and found their careers for them.

Just in case a social worker is on this site, I AM JOKING.😛
 
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