"I would be devastated if my child didn't stay Catholic!"

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This is a spinoff of another thread. Some of the comments were stressing me out, so I decided to create my own thread.

I only have a two year old and a four year old so maybe I am missing something and I’ll understand when they’re older. I do not understand the mentality that I, as a mother, would be devastated that my child chooses not to be Catholic and follow the Church’s teachings. Doesn’t free will come into play here? We will raise them the best way we know how but the ultimate decision is up to them. I understand that by virtue of their baptism they will be Catholic for life, but if they choose to reject that - it’s their soul. That has nothing to do with me.

To me it seems like the child is seen as an extension of the parents and is not seen as a unique individual. I have some issues in my past that might be clouding my thinking, but that to me is disturbing.

Feel free to tell me I’m wrong, I am trying to understand.
 
If they are devastated because they feel like failures or their pride is hurt, that’s a fault.

If they are devastated because they know the Church holds the Fullness of Truth and fear for their souls and even the outcome of their temporal lives, that’s another matter.
 
To me it seems like the child is seen as an extension of the parents and is not seen as a unique individual. I have some issues in my past that might be clouding my thinking, but that to me is disturbing.
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Ding ding ding!

I see this so much both here on CAF and in life. It never turns out well.
 
The reason why you may hear parents say that they would be devastated if their children did not stay Catholic is not because they see the children as extentions of themselves, but because they fear for their children’s eternal salvation. I notice that you do not have a religion identified by your name. If you are not Catholic you may not know that Catholics hold that the Catholic Church, founded by Christ Himself, has everything we need for our salvation. We have the teachings of the Church, scripture and Tradtion to teach us how to live, and the sacraments to provide us with the grace, that is the heavenly help, to be able to do it. Naturally Catholic parents become quite upset at the thought of their children junking this great treasure.
 
I should have posted that I converted three years ago.

I use NFP, go to confession once a month, Mass every week, etc. I know what the Church teaches. I just don’t understand why my child doing something I (presumably) don’t like would devastate me.

ETA : That’s what I have chosen. I came from an anti-Catholic evangelical fundamentalist background. Thank God I “devastated” my parents by becoming Catholic.
 
The temptation for parents to live their children’s lives for them is strong. Usually it’s because they don’t to see their kids hurt, but it’s not really healthy for anyone.
 
Yes, the thought that my children – those unique and unrepeatable existences whom I have been blessed and priviliged to participate in the creation of – would spend eternity in hell in complete separation from God is somewhat disconcerting to me. 😛

We all want what’s best for our children, no? What is better than eternal beatitude with God in heaven?

Certainly, we hold out hope for the salvation of all, but the only sure path to salvation that I know is a living relationship with Christ in the Catholic Church. So that’s where I want my children to end up.
 
The temptation for parents to live their children’s lives for them is strong. Usually it’s because they don’t to see their kids hurt, but it’s not really healthy for anyone.
Your right. As a Catholic mother I had children, realizing they were human beings. I would not be devastated if they didn’t stay Catholic, but a little disappointed. I would hope they would stay Christian and I would never want them preaching to me to change my faith or have them bad mouth Catholic in anyway. I have faith in God’s plan for us all.
 
Yes, the thought that my children – those unique and unrepeatable existences whom I have been blessed and priviliged to participate in the creation of – would spend eternity in hell in complete separation from God is somewhat disconcerting to me. 😛

We all want what’s best for our children, no? What is better than eternal beatitude with God in heaven?

Certainly, we hold out hope for the salvation of all, but the only sure path to salvation that I know is a living relationship with Christ in the Catholic Church. So that’s where I want my children to end up.
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Your right. As a Catholic mother I had children, realizing they were human beings. I would not be devastated if they didn’t stay Catholic, but a little disappointed. I would hope they would stay Christian and I would never want them preaching to me to change my faith or have them bad mouth Catholic in anyway. I have faith in God’s plan for us all.
A little disappointed over apostasy? Of course your child has free will, but why, of all grave sins, would you not feel any need to weep over this one?

You would weep if your child fell into any life of grave sin, right? You would weep if they thoughtlessly threw away any great treasure? 🤷

I say this as someone who left the Church and came back! OF COURSE my parents would have been devastated, had they known!! Had I walked away from the Sacraments, from the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, would they have taken heart that I was “still Christian”? Perhaps that is better than totally renouncing the faith in all its aspects, but that is a cold comfort, when the True Presence no longer stirs your child’s heart, when she has chosen to forget the difference between the Mass and a gathering for the reading of Holy Scriptures and preaching by someone who rejects at least some of the teachings handed down by the Apostles.

The Church is not a country club or a particularly good school of psychology or some healthy pattern of living that makes bad things less likely. It is not the chance to go to college, which is right for some and yet not right for others, true for some and false for others. In baptism, we die with Christ and are bought by his blood, sealed with an indelible mark that cannot be washed away. In our annual renewal of vows and in our confirmation, we ratify this seal. Are we to walk away from it lightly, holding that the truth of the ages is merely an opinion that some may hold and others might not? What total fools the martyrs will have been, in that case, to offer up their lives for what is only one option among many as a way to eternal life!

Yet many young people walk away from the faith and repudiate it as a mere myth, as an institutionalized means to manipulate, as a crutch, as a misguided anachronism, or as simply one among many more or less unnecessary means to congregate and live a “decent” sort of life. They fall to all these lies of the evil one, they abandon religion for the glamour of sin, and how much more. How can their mothers not weep? When their mothers do not weep, do the angels not weep twice over?

If anyone here does not understand that Christ only instituted one Church, they might want to read the Church declaration, Dominus Iesus: vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html
 
A little disappointed over apostasy?
😛 Indeed!

You bring up a good point. I think most parents would be more than a little disappointed if their child turned to a life of crime, drugs, and/or prostitution. Our Catholic faith is a far greater gift.
 
😛 Indeed!

You bring up a good point. I think most parents would be more than a little disappointed if their child turned to a life of crime, drugs, and/or prostitution. Our Catholic faith is a far greater gift.
In treating the question of the true religion, the Fathers of the Second Vatican Council taught: We believe that this one true religion continues to exist in the Catholic and Apostolic Church, to which the Lord Jesus entrusted the task of spreading it among all people. Thus, he said to the Apostles: Go therefore and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you’ (Mt 28: 19-20). Especially in those things that concern God and his Church, all persons are required to seek the truth, and when they come to know it, to embrace it and hold fast to it.” Dominus Iesus.
 
😛 Indeed!

You bring up a good point. I think most parents would be more than a little disappointed if their child turned to a life of crime, drugs, and/or prostitution. Our Catholic faith is a far greater gift.
A far greater gift than what - a life of crime and drugs? I should hope so.
 
This is a spinoff of another thread. Some of the comments were stressing me out, so I decided to create my own thread.

I only have a two year old and a four year old so maybe I am missing something and I’ll understand when they’re older. I do not understand the mentality that I, as a mother, would be devastated that my child chooses not to be Catholic and follow the Church’s teachings. Doesn’t free will come into play here? We will raise them the best way we know how but the ultimate decision is up to them. I understand that by virtue of their baptism they will be Catholic for life, but if they choose to reject that - it’s their soul. That has nothing to do with me.

To me it seems like the child is seen as an extension of the parents and is not seen as a unique individual. I have some issues in my past that might be clouding my thinking, but that to me is disturbing.

Feel free to tell me I’m wrong, I am trying to understand.
He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned. Matthew 16:16

Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. John 6:53

Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me. John 14:6.

We want everyone to be saved, and I think it would be devasting for a parent if their children left the Church, and rejected Christ, the sacraments, their only means of salvation. Yet, nothing is impossible with God, but by rejecting the Church, one is rejecting Christ. By rejecting Christ, one rejects the one who sent him.

Wasn’t it St. Monica, that when her wayward son, Augustine, was distant from God and living a sinful life, she prayed for his conversion, cried, over a 30-year period? Finally, God granted a miracle, of Augustine’s conversion, and later, Augustine became a saint in his own right.

However, St. Monica loved him, wanted him to be saved. It’s only natural that parents want their children to be saved and go to heaven.
 
Yes, the thought that my children – those unique and unrepeatable existences whom I have been blessed and priviliged to participate in the creation of – would spend eternity in hell in complete separation from God is somewhat disconcerting to me. 😛

We all want what’s best for our children, no? What is better than eternal beatitude with God in heaven?

Certainly, we hold out hope for the salvation of all, but the only sure path to salvation that I know is a living relationship with Christ in the Catholic Church. So that’s where I want my children to end up.
Yes, to say the least.

Imagine *not *being devastated if your child, through his own free will, chose to spend eternity in Hell. 🤷
 
This is a spinoff of another thread. Some of the comments were stressing me out, so I decided to create my own thread.

I only have a two year old and a four year old so maybe I am missing something and I’ll understand when they’re older. I do not understand the mentality that I, as a mother, would be devastated that my child chooses not to be Catholic and follow the Church’s teachings. Doesn’t free will come into play here? We will raise them the best way we know how but the ultimate decision is up to them. I understand that by virtue of their baptism they will be Catholic for life, but if they choose to reject that - it’s their soul. That has nothing to do with me.

To me it seems like the child is seen as an extension of the parents and is not seen as a unique individual. I have some issues in my past that might be clouding my thinking, but that to me is disturbing.

Feel free to tell me I’m wrong, I am trying to understand.
All Catholic parents should live out the promises made at the time of infant Baptism. The child (children) will be raised Catholic. This will require a good example being set by both parents. Take them to Mass when they’re young. Be good role models to them every day. No, not everyone is perfect but marriage has its ups and downs. Sometimes, dealing with your spouse and your kids can be stressful. Give them rules to follow regarding their behavior at home: like how to deal with their siblings, fairness and doing chores. And guidance about how to deal with problems at school. Just let them know you care and want to hear about anything that’s bothering them.

As they are growing, be prepared for questions. Questions about relationships and other things on their minds. Watch what they do and follow what they become interested in. Ask them about homework and how things are going in school. Things might be fine for a while, but be prepared for “I got into a fight” or hearing about being bullied.

What I find disturbing is the idea that some parents consider their children adults and out of their hands when they turn 18. Your children are still family when they become adults. You are still their parents. It might turn out that after they leave home, they may want to come back because they lost their job. Not uncommon.

You should tell them you are still available even after they start their own families, for advice or other help. Bottom line: You and your spouse shaped your kids on their way to becoming adults. Both of you were a big part of their lives. That should not end after they get married and have kids of their own. Catholic families generally beget Catholic families, and there are aunts, uncles, in-laws and other relatives that should be part of it.

And one really big problem regarding dating and marriage is a lack of dialogue between both families. Too often, boy meets girl, he’s hot, she’s hot, let’s hop in the sack, live together - gotta have a test drive - and then get married – maybe. Mom or dad need to sit their young adult down and ask them the practical questions: "Where will you live? How will you support each other? Do you have reliable transportation? Have you saved any money so if the car breaks down or one of you gets ill, you’re not paying 18% interest to pay the bills? Then tell them they should talk to a priest. Why? Because, too often, after the ceremony, one or both realize they married a total stranger. After all the fun and sex, they didn’t even try to find out if they were really compatible people. "Oh my God! My husband is a total jerk, a drunk, inconsiderate, wants to spend most of his free time with his buddies and not include me, or ‘doesn’t want to hear it’ when I had a bad day at work, and does not know how to have an intelligent argument that does not involve calling me names.

Fact: The majority of people who live together before marriage end up getting divorced. Marriage is not to be entered lightly. It’s a commitment.

As Catholics, we should prepare our children for life so they can do their best and avoid making mistakes to the best of our ability. Divorce, in most cases, does not ‘just happen.’ Instead of “Hello, mom? Me and Janet are getting divorced” followed by, “Well, it’s your decision - whatever.” It should be a case where your son or daughter or even daughter-in-law can call you and ask for advice to help both of them avoid divorce.

I heard a priest on Catholic Radio talk about his wild youth. How he stole things, got into trouble with the law, insulted his parents, and his mother prayed for him. She put her trust in God and his father stood with her. Then, their prayers were answered. By the grace of God he woke up one day and saw that the way he was going was wrong. It led to nothing good and he cried and cried. He asked for forgiveness. Then he was led to the Church and then, became a priest. He still has his tattoos.

Your children do have free will but it is your responsibility to raise them as Catholics and be there for them during their formative years, guiding them and modeling good behavior. Yes, they may give that up and decide not to be Catholic anymore later on. But that means you should pray for them. Other mothers and fathers have turned to God in those cases. That is the right thing to do. To trust in God. Their souls are at stake.

God bless,
Ed
 
This is a spinoff of another thread. Some of the comments were stressing me out, so I decided to create my own thread.

I only have a two year old and a four year old so maybe I am missing something and I’ll understand when they’re older. I do not understand the mentality that I, as a mother, would be devastated that my child chooses not to be Catholic and follow the Church’s teachings. Doesn’t free will come into play here? We will raise them the best way we know how but the ultimate decision is up to them. I understand that by virtue of their baptism they will be Catholic for life, but if they choose to reject that - it’s their soul. That has nothing to do with me.

To me it seems like the child is seen as an extension of the parents and is not seen as a unique individual. I have some issues in my past that might be clouding my thinking, but that to me is disturbing.

Feel free to tell me I’m wrong, I am trying to understand.
Really?
If your faith tells you that your child’s eternal life
depends on not rejecting his baptism, how can you
NOT be devastated if you love your child?
No parent who loves their child or anyone else
is indifferent in the face of that person’s damnation.

You know if your kid grows up to 21, completely adult
and with his free will drives drunk and kills himself?
Will you say oh well he had free will, he’s not an
extension of me, not my problem?
No I suspect you would be devestated.
 
… It’s only natural that parents want their children to be saved and go to heaven.
Not only that, but a parent will naturally want their child to both meet their obligations and to enjoy those blessings in life that are readily available. With any other obligation, do we feel merely hopeful that they will come around? If we feel embarrassed on behalf of a grown child who has forgotten how to write thank-you notes for her wedding, how much more would we feel upset about a child who forgets gratitude for the gift of the Eucharist?

I do not mean to take a child’s adult decisions as some sort of personal affront, as if the issue is that others will judge us unfit parents. What gossips think is of no account! No, most parents fear instead that they deserve blame for their child’s failure. I also do not mean it is OK to bully a child into “doing the right thing” in religion any more than in any other area. I only mean that “a little disappointed” somehow does not capture the horror of watching a child who is abandoning the treasures of the one true Church, particularly the sacraments and above all things, the Mass.

Sometimes, the child who leaves is showing that she takes faith seriously, while the child who stays is merely staying out of inertia. An apostate in the pews is probably in far more spiritual danger than an apostate who only left because she honestly seeks the truth. No, I mean that the mistake of leaving the Church to seek out truth is a profound and perilous mistake to make, even if it is made by some blindness for which the young person would not be faulted by Heaven. Even if she were innocent in her departure, the departure is still worth weeping over. You do not have to judge her a terrible sinner to judge rightly that she walks a dangerous path, far from the means of her safety and her source of life.
 
A far greater gift than what - a life of crime and drugs? I should hope so.
😛 I guess I didn’t articulate that very clearly. :o It is a far greater gift to squander than the gifts we squander through a life of crime and drugs.
 
A little disappointed over apostasy? Of course your child has free will, but why, of all grave sins, would you not feel any need to weep over this one?

You would weep if your child fell into any life of grave sin, right? You would weep if they thoughtlessly threw away any great treasure? 🤷

I say this as someone who left the Church and came back! OF COURSE my parents would have been devastated, had they known!! Had I walked away from the Sacraments, from the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, would they have taken heart that I was “still Christian”? Perhaps that is better than totally renouncing the faith in all its aspects, but that is a cold comfort, when the True Presence no longer stirs your child’s heart, when she has chosen to forget the difference between the Mass and a gathering for the reading of Holy Scriptures and preaching by someone who rejects at least some of the teachings handed down by the Apostles.

The Church is not a country club or a particularly good school of psychology or some healthy pattern of living that makes bad things less likely. It is not the chance to go to college, which is right for some and yet not right for others, true for some and false for others. In baptism, we die with Christ and are bought by his blood, sealed with an indelible mark that cannot be washed away. In our annual renewal of vows and in our confirmation, we ratify this seal. Are we to walk away from it lightly, holding that the truth of the ages is merely an opinion that some may hold and others might not? What total fools the martyrs will have been, in that case, to offer up their lives for what is only one option among many as a way to eternal life!

Yet many young people walk away from the faith and repudiate it as a mere myth, as an institutionalized means to manipulate, as a crutch, as a misguided anachronism, or as simply one among many more or less unnecessary means to congregate and live a “decent” sort of life. They fall to all these lies of the evil one, they abandon religion for the glamour of sin, and how much more. How can their mothers not weep? When their mothers do not weep, do the angels not weep twice over?

If anyone here does not understand that Christ only instituted one Church, they might want to read the Church declaration, Dominus Iesus: vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html
If by treasure you mean a physical item, than no I would not weep, because we need no physical item for our faith, and because we take no physical item with us if we are blessed enough to go to God when we die.

As for all the other, I have a brother who has not been a part of the Catholic Church for many years, yet he has been a devote protestant since than. At first it start to tear my family apart, especially his relationship with my mother. As we were not raised or every head in our Catholic schools that protestants were not going be saved, my mother finally realized his devotion to the same God we have, and “let go and let God”. There are to many people that need help than for her to dwell on something that was actually very good for him.

I am sorry you feel the way you do. Why, if you are right, would the Catholic church ever allow a member of the Catholic church to marry someone outside the Catholic Church, as they do regularly these days. My brother is not suffering, and has actually thrived as a good Christian person.
 
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