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ConstantineTG
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Ours has. But given that some parishes have the Iconostasis and some don’t, I’m not surprised some parishes may not have the tetrapod.
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5Loaves
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Speaking of Fr Loya… was he up in Alaska recently? Aramis did he visit your parish? (Maybe I’m confusing that with Fr. Stephan Meholick’s recent visit to Alaska.)
Apropos Fr Loya’s iconography on the walls at Annunciation Mother of God, there are a few good pictures of the current Fresco Painting project at Saint Seraphim’s Orthodox Church, a really beautiful temple.
Here’s a shot of our iconostasis. Our temple is in an old mansion. The design for it was taken from the iconostasis at the Russicom in Rome. You can kind of see Fr Dn through the candles outside the iconostasis somewhat blocking the south deacon door, behind the royal doors you can see Father’s black klocuk, and barely visible to his right, white which is Fr Vito’s vestment. We also have a curtain which isn’t drawn at this point, the litany at the start of DL. We normally have a large holy icon of the Most Holy Trinity in that big white area of the wall, similar in size to the Nativity of our Lord you can see on the left. It’s down temporarily due to current renovations of the choir area, off to the right, out of the photo.
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Vico
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They do seem to be required now. I read that the first mention of the iconostasis was in Russian annals in 1528 when one was built by Macarius, Metropolitan of Novgorod.Quite amazing pictures, Friends!
Iconostases should never be optional in any Byzantine/Orthodox Church.
Roman Catholics too had their “Rood Screens” (I think the EWTN chapel has one).
In the Sarum tradition, priests stood under the “Rood” or “Cross” on top of the Royal Doors to distribute Holy Communion, signifying that people communed of the Fruit of the Cross.
Alex
According to Original Catholic Encyclopedia, there was originally with the Greek church a short waist high fence, but:
“After the Council of Florence (1438) when the last conciliar attempt at reunion of the Churches failed, the Greek clergy took great pleasure in building and adorning their churches as little like the Latin ones as possible, and from then on the iconostasis assumed the form of the wall-like barrier which it has at present.”
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Hesychios
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I am wary of the OCE and it’s opinions mixed into facts, especially with regard to the eastern church. It sounds like something Fortescue would write.
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ConstantineTG
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I’m guessing the waist-high fence resembled the altar rail too much
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Hesychios
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It’s not important, but I thought there might be a regional association with the sub-Carpathian Rus, since I did not see them front and center in Russian or Serbian parishes either ( although sometimes off to the side holding candles, or along a wall as in the cathedral in Chicago). Clearly not something one can generalize about.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2042/2113384061_de61c95aaa.jpg?v=0
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Vico
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That particular section was written by Andrew Shipman.
In our parish we have a simple iconostasis with just four icons: 1 N 2 R 3 S 4
1, 2, 3, 4 = Icons
N = North Gate
R = Royal Doors
S = South Gate
Plus the icon for the current feast day or of the patron saint for veneration on the artophorion (tetrapod) which is a small table in front of the royal doors (with enough room for the gospel to be read behind it, and to pass in front of it with the gifts).
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5Loaves
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So your deacon’s doors/gates don’t have icons? Does it have the Mystical Supper? Do your Royal Doors have MMLJ and the Annunciation?
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Vico
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Yes, it has been a long day, the doors/gates have icons also, which are a little smaller.
[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]
1 = Icon
2 = North Gate w. Icon
3 = Theotokos w. Divine Child Icon
4 = Left Royal Door w. Icon
5 = Right Royal Door w. Icon
6 = Christ Pantocranter Icon
7 = South Gate w. Icon
8 = Icon of the Parish
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ciero
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Now that’s a church!!!
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Aramis
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Yes, Rev. Fr. Tom did come up here a couple months ago. Dynamic, entertaining, and educational.
Brought up, however, by the Theology & Brew group from the local Roman Cathedral.
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Alexander_Roman
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Quite magnificent! Glory to Thee, o Lord, Glory to Thee!!
It would also be good if EC churches obeyed the rules about the curtains and doors during the Divine Liturgy.
The original iconostases were pointed in that the Royal Doors slowly came out towards the Church of the Faithful in a triangular shape.
We have an Italo-Greek Orthodox priest here who runs a mission for the homeless and his church has an iconostasis like this.
Greek ones tend not to be as high as Russian ones, and the Old Believer ones are said to be the most beautiful and “over the tope”
Over the top works for me!
Alex
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