I'd like Catholicism more if it weren't for the Catholics

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With respect, I think you are really expecting a lot to expect visitors to attend coffee and donuts, unless it is held in the lobby such that you can’t avoid it exiting the church. If you have to go somewhere else in the church building to get your coffee and donut, then I think most people will skip it, especially first-time visitors who don’t know anyone.

I have never attended coffee and donunts at my parish after nearly five years of attendance. It just doesn’t appeal to me. (I love donuts, BTW, like Homer Simpson!)

I don’t feel comfortable in those social settings.

I see nothing wrong with stating that a parish SHOULD be warm and welcoming to newcomers and strangers. The Bible says that we should welcome strangers because some have entertained angels unaware. Hospitality is actually listed in the New Testament as one of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit.

It is not a sign of holiness or deep spirituality to be so immersed in your “prayer” that you ignore everyone around you before or after Mass.

As I said in an earlier post, WE have to take the first step and be a more welcoming person. Honestly, now, that doesn’t mean dashing up to all the strangers in the church lobby, grabbing them, hugging their necks, and crying out, “Praise the Lord and bless your heart, honey, we’re so GLAAAAAD that you decided to come and worship with us here today at St. Curly’s Church!”

It may mean something as simple as smiling and nodding at people that you don’t know, or waving at people in the parking lot, or saying, “Hi,” to people as you exit the church. For a lot of people, that’s enough. It makes you feel welcome and warm and part of the “group.” It might be enough to encourage them to come BACK to Mass next week–wouldn’t that be wonderful? And if they aren’t Catholics, the friendly faces and smiles and waves MIGHT just be enough to convince them to at least study Catholicism and perhaps even join RCIA or a Catholic apologetics class or a Bible study.

Do you get the idea here that Cat is speaking from personal experience? Hmmm???!!

My husband and I were KICKED OUT of our evangelical Protestant church. I stood in the church parking lot, shook my fist at heaven, and said, “God, if you want me in a church, then You are going to have to tell your people to WOO me into church, because I refuse to allow myself to be treated so badly again by supposedly Christian people.”

Well, one of the main factors in our decision to become Catholic was the friendliness of people who attended Mass with us. One elderly couple in particular were so kind. They always waved and smiled at us, and once, right before Communion, I started to stand up so that they could pass by us, and the woman knelt next to me and said, “You don’t have to interrupt your prayer. We’ll just walk out the other end of the pew.”

Such kind words and action–such a simple little thing–would YOU call it PROTESTANT?!

Well, if it was truly a Protestant thing to do–it was the straw the broke me and caused me to make a decision to enter RCIA. I continued to kneel there and I started sobbing. I was so touched that someone in the Church would treat me so kindly. I was literally starved for the touch of Jesus, and this woman and her husband gave it to me.

Now what if that woman had decided to ignore everyone around her in Mass and just “pray?”

There is nothing in those hospitable actions that is irreverent or disrespectful of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament or --heaven forbid–Protestant (gasp in horror). I’m sure that long before Protestants existed, Catholics were smiling, nodding, waving, and saying “Hi” to each other before and after Mass.

In our parish, hugs and kind words and actions before and after Mass (and sometimes during) are common. We see them constantly and I’m glad. If kind looks and smiles and handshakes and are Protestant, well–tough cookies. I don’t see how it’s Protestant to show love to our Christian brothers and sisters.
great post 🙂

I think respect for the Eucharist and a deep prayer life go together with treating others with love and kindness. After all, when we take Communion the Lord is literally inside us, and He is Love… I’m not able to take Communion yet as I’m still converting, but every time I go to Adoration He teaches me more about loving people around me and my family.

I remember one time, I came to Mass alone and didn’t know anyone… and somehow it turned out that there wasn’t an extra missal for me. The lady next to me was very kind and offered to share her missal, and smiled at me sincerely during the sign of peace like she really meant it. Then I saw she spent a long time praying on her kneeler. Prayer and Sacraments and love for neighbour are all related. It’s been a month or so but I still remember this lady and she helped me feel welcome at my parish as a new (and future) Catholic.

God bless
 
I thought complimenting someone on their beautiful child was NOT considered visiting. So, I’m afraid I WAS asking the question seriously.
The entry is full when Mass gets out. It’s doors to the inside, entryway, and then you’re in the nave. And I have my own children to get in the car or stroller (if the weather’s nice) once I get outside. I’m afraid the brief moments when we are putting on coats is all opportunity I’ve got.
Again, thank you for the correction.
I will know not to speak to anyone before or after Mass.
For the record, unless your speech is necessary for some reason, best keep silence.

As for the rest of your post … this will probably sound harsh but I can’t think of a nicer way to say it.

If you’re genuinely interested in a person as a person you will MAKE opportunities to talk to them when you can.

For example TAKING that brief time while you’re both putting on your coats to a) introduce yourself and b) say something like ‘look, Mass is about to start/just finished and I’ve got to get going right now, but do you want to have coffee/lunch/get together some time?’ Surely you’re together long enough to say THAT much?

That you’re not (apparently) interested in talking to people outside Mass sounds like you’re just making idle chat with them to amuse yourself more than anything else. Note I said ‘sounds like’, I’m not suggesting that this is why you’re actually doing it.

It’s not like other people turn into pumpkins outside the nave or something 🙂
 
now, I_Believe, be reasonable for once. If you were talking joyfully about the cult of man, everyone would be clapping your shoulder, and saying ‘bravo’. But when you talk about the Cult of God, all you get is the likes of me nodding seriously and saying, ‘thank you.’ Thank you for reminding me why I left the Novus Ordo and its diluted teachings.

Pray for the lifting of the excommunications from the Bishops of the Society of Saint Pius X, and for their integration into the life of the Church.
Mea culpa :o

I can’t help it Maurin. These crazy Saints and Churchmen made me what I am…

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"A day will come when the civilized world will deny its God, when the Church will doubt as Peter doubted. She will be tempted to believe that man has become God. In our churches, Christians will search in vain for the red lamp where God awaits them. Like Mary Magdalene, weeping before the empty tomb, they will ask, “Where have they taken him?” -Pope Pius XII

“Not to oppose error is to approve it, and not to defend truth is to suppress it, and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them.”
  • Pope St. Felix III
“What if some novel contagion seek to infect the whole Church, and not merely a small portion of it? Then he will take care to cling to antiquity, which cannot now be led astray by any novel deceit.” -St. Vincent of Lerins († 445)

“The day the Church abandons her universal tongue is the day before she returns to the catacombs.” Pope Pius XII

Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ. - St. Athanasius, AD 373

“It is granted to few to recognize the true Church amid the darkness of so many schisms and heresies, and to fewer still so to love the truth which they have seen as to fly to its embrace.” -St. Robert Bellarmine

“In recent times, even in materialist North America, the growth of the Church was magnificent with the liturgy being kept in Latin. The attempts of the Protestants have failed, and Protestantism uses the vernacular. We ask again: Why the change, especially since changes in this matter involve many difficulties and great dangers? All of us here at the Council can recall the fundamental changes in the meaning of words in common use. Thus it follows that if the Sacred Liturgy were in the vernacular, the immutability of doctrine would be endangered.
The introduction of the vernacular should be separated from the action of the Mass. The Mass must remain as it is. Grave changes in the liturgy introduce grave changes in dogmata.”
-James Cardinal McIntyre addressing the Second Vatican Council.

Indeed, the true friends of the people are neither revolutionaries, nor innovators: they are traditionalists."
  • Pope St. Pius X, Notre Charge Apostolique**
Oh, and this guy…
**Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to that arrogant oligarchy who merely happen to be walking around."
  • G.K. Chesterton **
    😉
 
As for the actions of people at the foot of the cross–yes, I think that hugs were probably happening among St. John and the Blessed Mother and the other Mary who stood with them. I’m sure that they clung to each other, trying to derive strength from their filial love for each other.

And the reason there was no clapping is that the people who loved Jesus didn’t fully realize exactly what He had just accomplished when He died on the cross. They didn’t know “the rest of the story.”

But God knew the “rest of the story!” He caused the veil of the temple to rip in two to demonstrate that Jesus had finished the sacrifice and accomplished the redemption of man. It wasn’t applause, but the idea of applause was there–a visual and audible expression (r-r-r-r-rrrrip!) of approval and triumph.

And the disciples and women at the foot of the cross didn’t realize that three days later, Jesus would rise from the dead. WE now know that Christ is risen–it is the most joyful, hopeful, lovely, happy, and yes, clappy thought in the world. We should literally dance and sing and shout and clap (in our hearts, anyway) over the joyful truth of the Resurrection of our Lord! If this joy occasionally shows on our faces, or is expressed in a physical display, what is the sin in that? You would condemn Protestants for expressing their joy over our Risen Lord? Why?

I realize and agree that the Liturgy of the Mass, at least at this time in history, does not call for a physical display (clapping, dancing) celebrating the Resurrection of the Lord. It is inappropriate in the Mass to applaud–not because it is disrespectful of the Lord, but because it is disrespectful of the Church that has NOT included clapping, dancing, etc. in the Holy Mass except at certain times to be determined by the priest.

But the Liturgy DOES call for the singing of hymns, the praying of prayers, and various other physical actions that essentially express our hope for our redemption.

And I think it’s appropriate to wish that all Catholics could participate in Mass with all of their hearts, in full understanding.

I think that had the disciples and women at the foot of the cross HAD known the rest of the story and had fully understood what exactly Jesus had accomplished through His death and would accomplish through His resurrection, they not only would have clapped for Jesus, but they would have given Him a standing ovation, or danced, or sang with all their might, or shouted, or turned backflips around and around the cross, and of course, prostrated themselves and wept and laughed and praised Him.

We DO know the rest of the story, and backflipping in our hearts during Mass is entirely appropriate and respecful of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament.
 
Pray for the lifting of the excommunications from the Bishops of the Society of Saint Pius X, and for their integration into the life of the Church.
Oh, and yes, I do pray for that day, when the injustice is corrected. And it will be soon I think. Word is, the letter is on BXVI’s desk. 🙂
 
As for the actions of people at the foot of the cross–yes, I think that hugs were probably happening among St. John and the Blessed Mother and the other Mary who stood with them. I’m sure that they clung to each other, trying to derive strength from their filial love for each other.

And the reason there was no clapping is that the people who loved Jesus didn’t fully realize exactly what He had just accomplished when He died on the cross. They didn’t know “the rest of the story.”

But God knew the “rest of the story!” He caused the veil of the temple to rip in two to demonstrate that Jesus had finished the sacrifice and accomplished the redemption of man. It wasn’t applause, but the idea of applause was there–a visual and audible expression (r-r-r-r-rrrrip!) of approval and triumph.

And the disciples and women at the foot of the cross didn’t realize that three days later, Jesus would rise from the dead. WE now know that Christ is risen–it is the most joyful, hopeful, lovely, happy, and yes, clappy thought in the world. We should literally dance and sing and shout and clap (in our hearts, anyway) over the joyful truth of the Resurrection of our Lord! If this joy occasionally shows on our faces, or is expressed in a physical display, what is the sin in that? You would condemn Protestants for expressing their joy over our Risen Lord? Why?

I realize and agree that the Liturgy of the Mass, at least at this time in history, does not call for a physical display (clapping, dancing) celebrating the Resurrection of the Lord. It is inappropriate in the Mass to applaud–not because it is disrespectful of the Lord, but because it is disrespectful of the Church that has NOT included clapping, dancing, etc. in the Holy Mass except at certain times to be determined by the priest.

But the Liturgy DOES call for the singing of hymns, the praying of prayers, and various other physical actions that essentially express our hope for our redemption.

And I think it’s appropriate to wish that all Catholics could participate in Mass with all of their hearts, in full understanding.

I think that had the disciples and women at the foot of the cross HAD known the rest of the story and had fully understood what exactly Jesus had accomplished through His death and would accomplish through His resurrection, they not only would have clapped for Jesus, but they would have given Him a standing ovation, or danced, or sang with all their might, or shouted, or turned backflips around and around the cross, and of course, prostrated themselves and wept and laughed and praised Him.

We DO know the rest of the story, and backflipping in our hearts during Mass is entirely appropriate and respecful of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament.
You honestly think that ANYONE, God the Father included, was or should ahve been HAPPY at Jesus’ death? It was murder - DEICIDE. Caused by our sin, for crying out loud.

There’s no cause to be rejoicing about His crucifixion - rather the utmost grief that it was even necessary.
 
LilyM, as much as I respect many of your posts, I do not accept that loving words and greetings and inquiries about health in His Presence are offensive to our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament in the nave.

We have a 24 Hour Adoration chapel in our parish, and in that place, there is silence in the Exposed Presence of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament. But even there, with Jesus only a few feet away, those who have recently experienced tragedy will receive hugs and loving whispers of comfort and love from their Christian brothers and sisters. I do not, I will not, believe that these displays of Christian love are offensive to Jesus or disrespectful of His Adorable and Most August Presence.

The Scriptures make it clear that God is Love. Also, other people will know Jesus by our love for one another. Jesus said that when you have done something to the least of the brethren, you have done it for Him. A kind word, a hug, a greeting, an inquiry about health or circumstances, a word of comfort or encouragement, a compliment–these loving actions shine like lights to lead a lost world into the Presence of Jesus Christ.

Obviously, something good can get out of hand. That’s what sin is–distorted good. Idle chatter, chit-chat, small talk, sports brags, discussions of potty training and food preferences, descriptions of recent medical procedures, demonstrations of how the new cell phone works–no, these are not appropriate in the Presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament because they do not light the way to Him, but instead, keep us immersed in the world and its pleasures.

And yes, of course we should take prolonged discussions outside of the Adoration Chapel. That’s the kind thing to do for the sake of all the others who are adoring the Lord and don’t know about the tragedy.

But a quick, “I’m so sorry about your loss”, and the response, “Thank you,” is loving and kind and pleasing to the Lord. Many times if we wait to act in love, we forget, and then the action never occurs.
 
I don’t think you could see Him and do anything other than weep at HIs sufferings…many people didn’t even survive the flogging He was given
 
You honestly think that ANYONE, God the Father included, was or should ahve been HAPPY at Jesus’ death? It was murder - DEICIDE. Caused by our sin, for crying out loud.

There’s no cause to be rejoicing about His crucifixion - rather the utmost grief that it was even necessary.
It was the low point, a sad point, but it is not the whole story. Communion is a joyful event, Christ Glorified, and not Christ Crucified. The Mass is not a sad event, it is a joyful event (a joyful event tempered by appropriate reverence, but a joyful one nonetheless).
 
Did anyone really read what I wrote?
Is anyone looking to help me, or just make snarky comments?

I’m not talking about hooting and hollering. I’m not talking about mass needs to be more ‘entertaining’. Goodness gracious.

I’m talking about this is a COMMUNITY, and what do I see? I see the back pews filled, and the front ones empty. I see people sitting so far apart, they can’t even shake hands in peace. If I went to a family meal, and everyone was sitting in different rooms, I can certainly say, it would not be a family I would want to be a part of.

I’m talking about people don’t even sing along with the hymns. I can’t carry a tune worth squat, but I sing. Why am I the only one?

I’m talking about people are mumbling the responses and creed. Speak up! Say it with joy and conviction!

I’m talking about people are walking in like someone just ran over their dog and are leaving with the same expression when they leave. Doesn’t ‘may the Lord be with you’ actually MEAN something?!?!

So, I ask again, where is the christian joy that Catholics should be exuding? I feel it, but singing all by my lonesome gets old.
Hmmm, that’s a tough one. I wish there was some happy median, short of sex, or hive-like conformity.
What I mean is I wasn’t born Catholic…and, if this makes any sense, my gut, extreme, amediate reaction to Catholics is that I want to fawn over them.
"I LUV YOU I LUV YOU I LUV YOU I LUV YOU ! "
Priests? Nuns? I don’t want to look at them, or speak to them, I just want to crash to my knees when they enter the room.
This is not, they are not, an abstraction to me.
The sun rises and sets on them for me.
I wish I could express that in some way that was not wildly inappropriate and overwrought.
😦
Perhaps some of them have the same problem?
Such is life.
I suppose someday we will have a good laugh over it in heaven?
I don’t suppose this has been any help, but there it is.
 
Expressiveness at Mass really varies in different congregations within a diocese. Those wishing for a more charismatic Mass can often find it, if they look. Our cardinal made two rules about Mass in the diocese when he was elevated:

No more standing for the Offertory.

No more long breaks giving a bunch of folks the sign of peace.
 
Did anyone really read what I wrote?
Is anyone looking to help me, or just make snarky comments?

I’m not talking about hooting and hollering. I’m not talking about mass needs to be more ‘entertaining’. Goodness gracious.

I’m talking about this is a COMMUNITY, and what do I see? I see the back pews filled, and the front ones empty. I see people sitting so far apart, they can’t even shake hands in peace. If I went to a family meal, and everyone was sitting in different rooms, I can certainly say, it would not be a family I would want to be a part of.

I’m talking about people don’t even sing along with the hymns. I can’t carry a tune worth squat, but I sing. Why am I the only one?

I’m talking about people are mumbling the responses and creed. Speak up! Say it with joy and conviction!

I’m talking about people are walking in like someone just ran over their dog and are leaving with the same expression when they leave. Doesn’t ‘may the Lord be with you’ actually MEAN something?!?!

So, I ask again, where is the christian joy that Catholics should be exuding? I feel it, but singing all by my lonesome gets old.
I’m a conservative Catholic who (with the rest of my family) crossed the Tiber a few years ago. My take on this issue is to state the obvious first. It’s not about us, it’s about God. We’re not there for the entertainment, we’re there for God and Christ’s presence within the Eucharist. That said, I unfortunately think that you have made some valid points. Who hasn’t for example seen Catholics regularly rush out the doors as soon as they receive the Sacrament. In other parishes (down south mostly), the Catholics in the congregation don’t seem to sing like they do in the northwest.

We have to be careful about not judging others, but one can’t help but wonder how many of these people are more culturally Catholic than religiously Catholic. Are they on fire for Christ and His Church–do they realize what they have in the Catholic Church? I’m not talking charismatic demonstrations here, I’m just referring to things such as singing–or other demonstrations of actual consciousness.

A religious artist relative of mine, makes an interesting argument that he thinks a lot of the problems would be addressed if there were a revival of real Catholic art in the churches. Church, after all, used to be the center of the community. If you wanted the best visual art or music, you would go to church. Since that time, we seem to have lost our way artistically speaking. This loss may not seem critical to everyone, but it has a profound affect upon how we experience the Mass and how we understand things like mystery and reverence. He’s better at explaining this than I am, as I am not an artist. Bottom line is that we each have to do what is within our power to make our parishes places where not only God is glorified, but places where people want to come.
 
For the record, unless your speech is necessary for some reason, best keep silence.

As for the rest of your post … this will probably sound harsh but I can’t think of a nicer way to say it.

If you’re genuinely interested in a person as a person you will MAKE opportunities to talk to them when you can.

For example TAKING that brief time while you’re both putting on your coats to a) introduce yourself and b) say something like ‘look, Mass is about to start/just finished and I’ve got to get going right now, but do you want to have coffee/lunch/get together some time?’ Surely you’re together long enough to say THAT much?
In our parish and in most of the parishes I’ve been a member of that conversation would take place in the nave since that’s where we are as we are putting on our coats.
 
Please keep in mind that there can be many reasons for behavior at Mass, other than disrespect.

As one example, when I moved and began going to a new parish I was approached by a number of people who seemed very friendly and helpful, and who wanted to establish a relationship with me. They turned out to be vicious, deceitful people who used our mutual religious affiliation to try to manipulate and take advantage of me. When I resisted, I was blackballed and forced out of the parish.

I now attend another parish. I arrive just as Mass starts and leave right after the dismissal specifically to avoid any “friendly” greetings. I’m still very gun-shy, dread going to Mass, and going to Mass brings back all sorts of unpleasant memories. It’s going to be a long time before I can interact with anyone at any parish. My relationship with the Church has been that damaged. And no, I can’t talk to the priest. He was part of the problem.

But, as a Catholic, I MUST go to Mass regardless of my feelings. And I do. And a lot of the time I look like I would rather not be there, because I would rather not be there. But I love God enough to be obedient in spite of my feelings, and know that this spiritual trial will eventually end.

There are Catholics at Mass who have just experienced deaths, who have chronic illnesses, who are going through spiritual trials and doubts, who have family problems, who just lost their job, etc. Maybe even the majority of the people in the congregation.

I don’t think Catholics expect their churches to be social centers. This may go back to the fact that before the Reformation EVERYONE was Catholic. So, when you had parties and invited people to dinner, you didn’t have to go somewhere Catholics went to get to know Catholics. The same with helping others. If someone decided to feed those in need, they just did it. They didn’t expect the Church to be involved, or to call it some kind of “ministry.” Church was for worshipping God and providing the sacraments. It was part of the larger community, not the community itself. That may have something to do with the different expectations Catholics and Protestants have about their Churchs.

Just my :twocents:

I couldn’t find a doughnut, but here’s a :coffee: for you!
 
Yellowbike,

Can I offer a suggestion that in your own parish perhaps ask if you could include some info/articles in the bulletin.

My mother, when head of RE, would put in small articles in the school newsletter about what Catholics believe and why they believe it, what particular parts of the Mass mean etc. She felt that if people really knew what was going on they would participate more.

She often got feedback from non-practicising and even non-Catholic parents, how much they looked forward to those articles.

I know what you have witnessed has been in other Churches but perhaps you could start a fire in the belly of your own.

Even take the initiative to be the head of a welcoming committee, and have as standard practice (advertised in the bulletin) that you will be available after Mass to say hello and introduce yourself and a few other parishioners over a cup of tea. I think new parishioners have a responsibility to introduce themselves too.

Our home has often been used for parish dinners. An open invitation to a more social gathering for parishioners.

I too travel a lot and so don’t really have a parish to get involved in, I hope that once I get married and settle down that I will become an active member.

All the best,
 
In our parish and in most of the parishes I’ve been a member of that conversation would take place in the nave since that’s where we are as we are putting on our coats.
You wouldn’t (I hope) natter on in a movie theatre while the movie is going on, regardless if that’s where you were at the time the urge struck to converse or not. You’d have enough respect (and common sense) to know that it is appropriate to move OUTSIDE the theatre and THEN yak.

Same with the nave of a church - difference being the ‘main feature’ isn’t the Mass, it’s Our Lord’s Real Presence in the Tabernacle. Which is ALWAYS there, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. So idle chat is NEVER appropriate until you move outside the nave.
 
Did anyone really read what I wrote?
Is anyone looking to help me, or just make snarky comments?

I’m not talking about hooting and hollering. I’m not talking about mass needs to be more ‘entertaining’. Goodness gracious.

I’m talking about this is a COMMUNITY, and what do I see? I see the back pews filled, and the front ones empty. I see people sitting so far apart, they can’t even shake hands in peace. If I went to a family meal, and everyone was sitting in different rooms, I can certainly say, it would not be a family I would want to be a part of.

I’m talking about people don’t even sing along with the hymns. I can’t carry a tune worth squat, but I sing. Why am I the only one?

I’m talking about people are mumbling the responses and creed. Speak up! Say it with joy and conviction!

I’m talking about people are walking in like someone just ran over their dog and are leaving with the same expression when they leave. Doesn’t ‘may the Lord be with you’ actually MEAN something?!?!

So, I ask again, where is the christian joy that Catholics should be exuding? I feel it, but singing all by my lonesome gets old.
I would say that you are generalizing, and that not all Catholic parishes are as you describe.

I go to a good Church, with a reverent N.O., and I see folks smiling as they’re singing, I see folks deep in prayer. It sounds to me like you’re disenchanted with your parish. It also sounds like you’re not concentrating on the right things.
 
Eep, sorry, bit of a late response. Didn’t realize the thread had grown so much since my last reply :o
 
I’m usually in the choir every Sunday. When I’m visiting for the weekend, I try to sit close to the front in the congregation, having missed the choir rehearsal. I then notice that people are afraid to sing, bringing to mind “Sing” by the Dresden Dolls. (See the lyrics; there is vulgarity at the end.) I feel this atmosphere of a group of people sitting awkwardly together – no one sings in their vicinity, so no one wants to be the only one singing. I try to participate as fully as I can, singing as well as I can, hoping the tension will lessen and others will become more engaged. I wonder if it’s having the right effect, though, because twice I’ve been complimented for my “beautiful singing” after the Mass, suggesting perhaps people are listening to me instead of singing themselves.

Typically the priest sings as much as he can, I suppose to set an example – but I don’t think the message gets across to the congregation, because hey, he’s the priest and he does a lot of things the congregation only watches.

Perhaps this hesitation to sing is only a phenomenon in the two churches I attend – I certainly hope so. But I think it’s related to what you mentioned: it seems many become introverted and watch the Mass, participating in it only for the monotone recitations. Perhaps we need signs or pamphlets in the lobby – you’re right, the enthusiasm of Protestant services is attractive (along with all the flashing lights and emphasis on the congregation, rather than God), so much so that I’ve seen poorly rooted Catholics apostatize for them, not noticing the holes in their theology.
 
There are couple points to consider for your church:
  1. Live what you believe based on what you knowr, does belonging to the church that was started by Jesus mean anything or are you happy with one of the branches? Would you like to join all of the great priests, monks, nuns and other people committed to the church over 2000 years?
Two, the mass is a honorable event, most reverend time. There are many other times during the week when you can be :extrahappy: :bounce: :bigyikes: :hug3: and evne :grouphug: doing the many things that go on during he week and just bonding with other people at church doing whatever you would like to. Church should not be 1 hour a week commitment.

But the mass is serious time.
 
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