Idols

[Wholly_Spirit]

He removed the high places and broke the sacred pillars, cut down the wooden image and broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made; for until those days the children of Israel burned incense to it, and called it Nehushtan. 2Kgs 18:4

Very good! Now tell us again, just so we know for sure…why was the bronze serpent destroyed?

 

[Church_Militant]

He removed the high places and broke the sacred pillars, cut down the wooden image and broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made; for until those days the children of Israel burned incense to it, and called it Nehushtan. 2Kgs 18:4

So… this stops it from having been rightly used the first time and even having been a valid type and foreshadowing of Our Lord on the cross? Especially when the New Testament specifically points that out?

This also has nothing to do with images in the Catholic Church since they are not worshiped.

You can’t accidentally worship an image. That’s ridiculous, so anyone who did so would have to do it knowingly and that of course would be idolatry. But “duh” Catholics don’t go there.

 

[Wholly_Spirit]

AND YES I AM CATHOLIC BUT LATELY I WOULD LIKE TO RATHER CALL MYSELF… A LITTLE CHILD OF GOD.

No you’re not. I know a Catholic when I hear one and you ain’t it, so don’t hide under the cloak of Catholicism.

 

[planter654]

Church Militant

So when we talk on the topics of “IDOLS AND IMAGES” that are ALL WHITE whom are we as Catholics glorifying?

We are all created in God’s “IMAGE ARE WE NOT”?

God keep me very very foolish so that I may become wise!!

God Bless

 

[Asa]

To which I and all the knowledgeable and faithful Catholics here at CAF will say AMEN and ALLELUIA!As

Are you an official spokesperson for all the RC’s on this forum??

 

[Asa]

So… this stops it from having been rightly used the first time and even having been a valid type and foreshadowing of Our Lord on the cross? Especially when the New Testament specifically points that out?

This also has nothing to do with images in the Catholic Church since they are not worshiped.

You can’t accidentally worship an image. That’s ridiculous, so anyone who did so would have to do it knowingly and that of course would be idolatry. But “duh” Catholics don’t go there.

Again are you an official spokesperson for the RCC??

Is this your inerrant inspired version of the RCC teachings??

 

[Wholly_Spirit]

He speaks for me and I would dare say so would any other ORTHODOX Roman Catholic.

 

[planter654]

Church Militant

So when we talk on the topics of “IDOLS AND IMAGES” that are ALL WHITE whom are we as Catholics glorifying?

We are all created in God’s “IMAGE ARE WE NOT”?

God keep me very very foolish so that I may become wise!!

God Bless

 

[planter654]

planter654:
You my friend TELL ME WHAT IS GOD’S IMAGE?

 

[Church_Militant]

I don’t know where you come from with all this, but you sound more protestant than Catholic.
planter654;3116781:

I am on topic, it is about Idols.

If you say so…

Images ok lets talk images my friend!

Why are there ONLY A “WHITE IMAGES IN THE CATHOLIC” CHURCH, AND YES I AM CATHOLIC BUT LATELY I WOULD LIKE TO RATHER CALL MYSELF… A LITTLE CHILD OF GOD.

I personally don’t much care if you call yourself a taxi cab so long as when you enter an apologetic discussion you stick to the topic and help explain and defend the Catholic faith instead of taking some whacked out semi protestant position.

I ask you why A white God "all WHITE images, all WHITE STATUES, ALL WHITE PAINTINGS, ALL WHITE GOD I am white, but did God not create Black children, Mexican children, AFRICAN children etc etc.?

I’m sorry, but this is dumb. If you took the time to look around at images of Our Lord from all over the world you would very quickly see that in most countries they reflect the people that live there. Your remark that “ALL” are white is about ludicrously inaccurate.

 

[Wholly_Spirit]

My concrete Madonna was to difficult to paint, so I just spray painted her white. Am I glorifying the concrete industry? What the heck are you driving at? This goes to the top of “the most ridiculous posts.”

 

[Asa]

He speaks for me and I would dare say so would any other ORTHODOX Roman Catholic.

So CM is your spokesperson, anyone else??

 

[Church_Militant]

Church Militant

So when we talk on the topics of “IDOLS AND IMAGES” that are ALL WHITE whom are we as Catholics glorifying?

We are all created in God’s “IMAGE ARE WE NOT”?

God keep me very very foolish so that I may become wise!!

God Bless

Already answered…

 

[dmelosi]

So CM is your spokesperson, anyone else??

Are you trying to change the subject? Or trying to make some kind of point?

 

[gaberdeen]

I would have to say CM may not be my spokesman but the truth is the truth and on this topic I agree with him 100%.

God Bless,
Gary

 

[Asa]

Are you trying to change the subject? Or trying to make some kind of point?

Just trying to find out if CM is an official spokesperson for RC’s on this forum or indeed if CM has any authority to give interpretation on the Sacred Scriptures and this because of what CM is stating in posts in this tread.

 

[Church_Militant]

Are you an official spokesperson for all the RC’s on this forum??

Again are you an official spokesperson for the RCC??

Is this your inerrant inspired version of the RCC teachings??

A better question would be who are you (as some kind of n-C/a-C) to interpret Catholic teachings and to then argue with us when we offer you accurately factual explanations? Do you then have the authority to speak for all n-Cs? I doubt that.

Moreover, when we have cited authoritative and authentic Catholic documents by way explanation, then why are you not reading them for yourself to see if we have told you the truth and to see if perhaps we know better than you think we do? If your purpose is just polemics, then you are not sincerely seeking truth but here for some other agenda.

Are you trying to change the subject? Or trying to make some kind of point?

No telling yet…

 

[planter654]

So… this stops it from having been rightly used the first time and even having been a valid type and foreshadowing of Our Lord on the cross? Especially when the New Testament specifically points that out?

This also has nothing to do with images in the Catholic Church since they are not worshiped.

You can’t accidentally worship an image. That’s ridiculous, so anyone who did so would have to do it knowingly and that of course would be idolatry. But “duh” Catholics don’t go there.

But duh Catholics don’t go there. We accidentally worship an image in the first place, when start making them, that is our first big mistake. So if they are not worshiped then, why are they in God’s House of Prayer in the first place? Why do we BLESS them if we do not worship them?

 

[FCEGM]

Why are there ONLY A “WHITE IMAGES IN THE CATHOLIC” CHURCH, AND YES I AM CATHOLIC BUT LATELY I WOULD LIKE TO RATHER CALL MYSELF… A LITTLE CHILD OF GOD.

I ask you why A white God "all WHITE images, all WHITE STATUES, ALL WHITE PAINTINGS, ALL WHITE GOD I am white, but did God not create Black children, Mexican children, AFRICAN children etc etc.?

** guess you’ve never heard of St. Martin de Porres, or of Our Lady of Guadalupe, or of St. Kateri Tekakwitha, St. Josephine Bakhita, St. Peter Claver, St. Benedict the Moor, St. Augustine (North African), St. Charles Lwanga and Companions, St. Moses the Black, St. Juan Diego, Bl. Miguel Pro, the 27 Mexican Saints canonized in 2000, St. Andrew Kim Taegon of Korea and his martyr Companions, etc., etc.

Second Council of Nicaea: We, therefore, following the royal pathway and the divinely inspired authority of our Holy Fathers and the traditions of the Catholic Church (for, as we all know, the Holy Spirit indwells her), define with all certitude and accuracy that just as the figure of the precious and life-giving Cross, so also the venerable and holy images, as well in painting and mosaic as of other fit materials, should be set forth in the holy churches of God, and on the sacred vessels and on the vestments and on hangings and in pictures both in houses and by the wayside, to wit, the figure of our Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ, of our spotless Lady, the Mother of God, of the honourable Angels, of all Saints and of all pious people. For by so much more frequently as they are seen in artistic representation, by so much more readily are men lifted up to the memory of their prototypes, and to a longing after them; and to these should be given due salutation and honorable reverence not indeed that true worship of faith which pertains alone to the divine nature; but to these, as to the figure of the precious and life-giving Cross and to the Book of the Gospels and to the other holy objects, incense and lights may be offered according to ancient pious custom. For the honor which is paid to the image passes on to that which the image represents, and he who reveres the image reveres in it the subject represented . . .

Canon 9 of the Second Council of Nicaea: . . . .All the childish devices and mad ravings which have been falsely written against the venerable images, must be delivered up to the Episcopium of Constantinople, that they may be locked away with other heretical books. And if anyone is found hiding such books, if he be a bishop or presbyter or deacon, let him be deposed; but if he be a monk or layman, let him be anathema.

Council of Trent:

. . .in accordance with the usage of the Catholic and Apostolic Church, received from primitive times of the Christian religion, and with the unanimous teaching of the holy Fathers and the decrees of sacred councils they above all instruct the faithful diligently in matters relating to intercession and invocation of the saints, the veneration of relics, and the legitimate use of images, . . .

Catechism of the Catholic Church:

1159 The sacred image, the liturgical icon, principally represents Christ. It cannot represent the invisible and incomprehensible God, but the incarnation of the Son of God has ushered in a new “economy” of images: Previously God, who has neither a body nor a face, absolutely could not be represented by an image. But now that he has made himself visible in the flesh and has lived with men, I can make an image of what I have seen of God . . . and contemplate the glory of the Lord, his face unveiled.[27]

1160 Christian iconography expresses in images the same Gospel message that Scripture communicates by words. Image and word illuminate each other: We declare that we preserve intact all the written and unwritten traditions of the Church which have been entrusted to us. One of these traditions consists in the production of representational artwork, which accords with the history of the preaching of the Gospel. For it confirms that the incarnation of the Word of God was real and not imaginary, and to our benefit as well, for realities that illustrate each other undoubtedly reflect each other’s meaning.[28]

continued. . .

 

[Wholly_Spirit]

But duh Catholics don’t go there. We accidentally worship an image in the first place, when start making them, that is our first big mistake. So if they are not worshiped then, why are they in God’s House of Prayer in the first place? Why do we BLESS them if we do not worship them?

If you’re a Catholic, you should be able to answer that question. If not go back about a hundred posts where this was all thrashed out before.