If a married person has HIV--should condoms be permitted?

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Some Bishops say, ‘yes,’ most say ‘no.’ What do you say? This was a hot topic today on Relevant Radio. My thoughts–hmmm…if someone contracted AIDS/HIV due to a blood transfusion, would God not feel that this person deserves mercy? And, would God expect that person to be open to life through consummation in the marriage, if it meant the baby would be born to this couple with the potential of having HIV?

I dunno…it’s tough! What’s your thoughts? Is it immoral and a mortal sin to use a condom to protect against HIV in such a situation? I believe that condoms don’t prevent the transmission of HIV…I think they just lessen the chances…😦

Look forward to your thoughts, everyone.🙂
 
i agree too. i think that would go against the catholic defenition of love. we husbands are called to die for our wives not kill them and our babies.
 
Condoms do not stop the spread of HIV.

The answer is no, even if they did.
 
T.A.Stobie_SFO said:
Condoms do not stop the spread of HIV.

The answer is no, even if they did.
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Just for clarification, are you saying in your post that condoms do not help prevent the spread of HIV at all, or, that condoms wont’ prevent the spread of HIV 100% of the time?
 
Aleii said:
Just for clarification, are you saying in your post that condoms do not help prevent the spread of HIV at all, or, that condoms wont’ prevent the spread of HIV 100% of the time?
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Condoms have pores much larger than a virus, so they do not stop them. Viruses are much smaller than sperm. Condoms fail to pervent pregnancy over 3% over a year use. They may reduce the chances slight of catching HIV, but do not prevent it.
 
Aside from the discussion about whether or not condoms are moral in this situation, latex condoms significantly reduce potential transmission of HIV. Nothing is ever 100% besides abstinence, but condoms do reduce the risk of transmission an extreme amount.

cdc.gov/nchstp/od/condoms.pdf

“Latex condoms, when used consistently and correctly, are highly effective in preventing the sexual transmisison of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS”
unfpa.org/upload/lib_pub_file/343_filename_Condom_statement.pdf

“Condom use is a critical element in a comprehensive, effective and sustainable approach to HIV prevention and treatment… The male latex condom is the single most efficient, available technology to reduce the sexual transmission of HIV and other sexually transmitted infections… Laboratory studies show that male latex condoms are impermeable to infectious agents contained in genital secretions”
 
Wow.

If my husband said to me, “Honey, I have aids. Can we have sex if I use a condom?”

I would be high tailin’ it! Talk about treating a woman as an object!

:eek:

I would hope that if someone is in this difficult and sad situation, they at least love their spouse enough to not try to lie to them and possibly infect them just for sex.
 
Since when is sexual relations soooo important that it is worth the risk of death?
 
T.A.Stobie_SFO said:
Condoms have pores much larger than a virus, so they do not stop them. Viruses are much smaller than sperm. Condoms fail to pervent pregnancy over 3% over a year use. They may reduce the chances slight of catching HIV, but do not prevent it.
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One of the problems with this number, that is that condoms fail to prevent pregnancy over 3% over a year of use, is that it is misleading. As pregnancies do not occur with every act of sex.

So condoms may fail without a pregnancy so no one really knows if they failed.

I have seen studies that have a failure rate as high as 25%.
 
Does this only apply because at this time in history we cannot cure HIV?

What if a cure became available?

Would that make it immoral to use condoms for HIV?

The answer is:

artificial birth control is always evil.

Let’s not discuss ‘what if’s’ and waste the precious time God has given us on this earth.

Peace and God Bless
 
Aleii said:
Nothing is ever 100% besides abstinence, but condoms do reduce the risk of transmission an extreme amount.
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This is true. But sex with condoms is like throwing dice: the odds of getting snake-eyes on a single toss is low, but always present. The more times you toss the dice, the more the risk of transmitting the virus.

Condoms, as disease preventers, work fine for couples who only occasionally have sex. However, the more often a couple has sex, the more likely the disease would be transmitted.

Abstinence would be best. Perhaps it should be the standard which is held out to emulate. But if the couple is going to have sex, using a condom could be life-saving.
 
Whatever Girl,

I will side with the bishops that say “no.” It’s not even that difficult of a question; we are not animals that have no self-control and need to copulate on whim.
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T.A.Stobie_SFO said:
Condoms have pores much larger than a virus, so they do not stop them. Viruses are much smaller than sperm. Condoms fail to pervent pregnancy over 3% over a year use. They may reduce the chances slight of catching HIV, but do not prevent it.
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This is not a true statement. Morality issue aside. Condoms significantly reduce the chances of catching HIV. In fact, condoms are probably the chief reason why the spread HIV has been reduced in the West compared to Africa; We all know it’s not because Americans and Europeans are living chaste lives.

Kendy
 
Kendy said:
This is not a true statement. Morality issue aside. Condoms significantly reduce the chances of catching HIV. In fact, condoms are probably the chief reason why the spread HIV has been reduced in the West compared to Africa; We all know it’s not because Americans and Europeans are living chaste lives.

Kendy
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All condoms have flaws or holes. These aren’t poked into them intentionally by someone. They occur naturally in all latex condoms.
The average hole size is 5 microns. A sperm is only 2.5 microns. An HIV virus that causes AIDS is only .1 micron. (1) In one test, 33% (1/3) of the latex condoms leaked HIV sized particles! (2) The diagram at above shows these sizes to scale.
  1. Roland, C.M. and Sobieski, J.W. (1989) Rubber Chemistry and Technology vol. 62, 683
  2. Sexually Transmitted Diseases vol. 19, 230 -234 (1992
    abortionfacts.com/literature/literature_9331cd.asp
 
Karin said:
All condoms have flaws or holes. These aren’t poked into them intentionally by someone. They occur naturally in all latex condoms.
The average hole size is 5 microns. A sperm is only 2.5 microns. An HIV virus that causes AIDS is only .1 micron. (1) In one test, 33% (1/3) of the latex condoms leaked HIV sized particles! (2) The diagram at above shows these sizes to scale.
  1. Roland, C.M. and Sobieski, J.W. (1989) Rubber Chemistry and Technology vol. 62, 683
  2. Sexually Transmitted Diseases vol. 19, 230 -234 (1992
    abortionfacts.com/literature/literature_9331cd.asp
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I volunteer for a pro-life organization (a very well-respected catholic one), and while I love the work and think it’s important (We have kept thousands of women from having abortions), I am occasionally embarassed by how we stretch numbers and use studies we like while ignoring those we don’t like. So, information about condoms from a pro-life organization? Well, I am a little skeptical.

Reliable information about condoms can be found through the CDC, the World Heath Organization, and the American Medical Association.

And I will also speak from years of experience of a wildly unchaste pre-christian life. (Not to mention the experiences of my equally unchaste female friends) Condoms used correctly are very effective. Lying about it just makes us look dishonest or foolish, which does very little to help our cause in this debate.

Kendy
 
Kendy said:
I volunteer for a pro-life organization (a very well-respected catholic one), and while I love the work and think it’s important (We have kept thousands of women from having abortions), I am occasionally embarassed by how we stretch numbers and use studies we like while ignoring those we don’t like. So, information about condoms from a pro-life organization? Well, I am a little skeptical.

Reliable information about condoms can be found through the CDC, the World Heath Organization, and the American Medical Association.

And I will also speak from years of experience of a wildly unchaste pre-christian life. (Not to mention the experiences of my equally unchaste female friends) Condoms used correctly are very effective. Lying about it just makes us look dishonest or foolish, which does very little to help our cause in this debate.

Kendy
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Kendy-
I am not lieing and do not appreciate being called one.
You made a statement…I provided proof that contradicted your statement…I am sorry that you do not agree with it…that is your right…
 
Would it be permissible for the couple to have sex without the use of a condom? In other words, is it wrong for a couple to have sex where one partner has HIV (and the other partner knows this) both recognizing that it is possible for the virus to be transmitted to the healthy partner and to a potential new life?
 
Karin said:
Kendy-
I am not lieing and do not appreciate being called one.
You made a statement…I provided proof that contradicted your statement…I am sorry that you do not agree with it…that is your right…
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I am not saying you are lying. I am saying that your source (the website you directed me to) has a powerful incentive to use the data most favorable to its cause and from my experience there’s a tendency to do that.

I am not calling you a liar.

Kendy
 
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