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JulianN
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Why? How would that contribute to our own faith?
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ReaderT
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It seems clear that this is an important issue; we are after all discussing it here. The presence of intelligent aliens would make problems for the Incarnation - in the Orthodox view, since God has become Man, He can’t get rid of his human nature and become a little green alien - so that’s problematic.Why? How would that contribute to our own faith?
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ReaderT
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A council of United States Bishops doesn’t have infallibility. Nor are they the judges of what aspects of our Thousand-Year traditions are correct.How about the USCCB?
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JulianN
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In this scenario, the Incarnation wouldn’t be necessary on an unfallen world.The presence of intelligent aliens would make problems for the Incarnation
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Dolphin
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Isaiah was written by three different authors yet it’s still called Isaiah. Why can’t Genesis be the same yet called that?The First Book of Moses
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Dolphin
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Personally I hope alien civilizations do exist, I think it would vastly expand our human comprehension of the universe.
It seems very bizarre God creates an infinitely expanding universe with billions upon billions of stars and planets yet only one planet in a very small corner of the infinite universe has life…
It seems very bizarre God creates an infinitely expanding universe with billions upon billions of stars and planets yet only one planet in a very small corner of the infinite universe has life…
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ReaderT
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Well, we believe it was written by one author, but others are free to disagree.Why can’t Genesis be the same yet called that?
Stephen Hawking showed in one of his books (I think it was The Universe in a Nutshell) that the Universe is actually finite.yet only one planet in a very small corner of the infinite universe has life…
Alright, fair, but still a hypothetical though.In this scenario, the Incarnation wouldn’t be necessary on an unfallen world.
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Tis_Bearself
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God has probably created all sorts of things that we don’t know about and many other things that have never even occurred to our puny minds.It seems very bizarre God creates an infinitely expanding universe with billions upon billions of stars and planets yet only one planet in a very small corner of the infinite universe has life…
Since we’re never going to comprehend all the wonders God has created until such time as God puts them in front of us and guides/ helps us to understand, I don’t see much point in speculating on them. It would seem to be a waste of time.
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JanR
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We had to be saved because of original sin.
Suppose some of the very first aliens elsewhere in the universe never committed an original sin? They wouldn’t need saving.
As for these other civilizations, and I do believe some exist, what transpired or transpires between them and God only they and God know, at the moment. Maybe we’ll be made privy to it, maybe not. We have our own problems to deal with, and our own lives to live.
Suppose some of the very first aliens elsewhere in the universe never committed an original sin? They wouldn’t need saving.
As for these other civilizations, and I do believe some exist, what transpired or transpires between them and God only they and God know, at the moment. Maybe we’ll be made privy to it, maybe not. We have our own problems to deal with, and our own lives to live.
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Mrchatsworth
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You know, if only a pope or a reigning vicar of Christ could speak about these deep theological issues. Wait… on may 12 2014 pope Francis said we would baptize alien life. I’m not kidding. Google it. So, Christ died for the universe and all souls ( if aliens were given mortal souls) even if our solar system is heliocentric the faith always has been and always will be geocentric. The universe was created for earth.
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Mrchatsworth
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The real question is dolphin, what if dolphins evolve to a point where the have immortal souls and a dolphin Adam and Eve? What if we witness the fall of the dolphins…
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kapp19
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St. Thomas answers this question, indirectly… Can the Persons become incarnate multiple times? Yes.
Adam’s race is redeemed by the Son - incarnate in Adam’s flesh/lineage. It follows that, to redeem another race (non-Adamic), if God wants to redeem them, if they need redeeming, and He wants to redeem them in a way similar to us, the Son would also take on the flesh of that race. So, the Son would be united with flesh in Jesus, and in another unity, while remaining a single Person. (This would imply a distinct - even if similar - sacramental economy. So no, the baptism connected with Adam would seem not to be what is called for, unless it is also directed by the Incarnate Word in their flesh - which it could be… especially as the Trinitarian formula would not change. But perhaps a different kind of sign would be implemented to signify the same reality.)
Happy Trinity Sunday! Always relevant!
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Adam’s race is redeemed by the Son - incarnate in Adam’s flesh/lineage. It follows that, to redeem another race (non-Adamic), if God wants to redeem them, if they need redeeming, and He wants to redeem them in a way similar to us, the Son would also take on the flesh of that race. So, the Son would be united with flesh in Jesus, and in another unity, while remaining a single Person. (This would imply a distinct - even if similar - sacramental economy. So no, the baptism connected with Adam would seem not to be what is called for, unless it is also directed by the Incarnate Word in their flesh - which it could be… especially as the Trinitarian formula would not change. But perhaps a different kind of sign would be implemented to signify the same reality.)
Happy Trinity Sunday! Always relevant!
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stoplooklisten
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Almighty God is almighty. So, He could create an expanding universe with billions of galaxies as a mere backdrop for human souls on planet earth to contemplate.It seems very bizarre God creates an infinitely expanding universe with billions upon billions of stars and planets yet only one planet in a very small corner of the infinite universe has life…
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stoplooklisten
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This is one of several verses describing an “uncreation” event. When “heaven and earth” pass away, then other planets, stars and galaxies and all that they contain will also pass away.Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Matthew 24:35)
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yankeesouth
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The Church teaches that Jesus has two natures because God revealed that to His Church. God does not change.What I mean is, the church says Jesus has two natures because there’s no reason to believe otherwise. Either way, the incarnation is a miracle. Having two natures is miracle. I see no reason that, if having two natures is a miracle, having more wouldnt also be possible through miracle.
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Dolphin
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Benedict XVI also said he would baptize aliens
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Dolphin
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Don’t think its possible for a non-souled human being to evolve into a souled human being.
But this does beg the question - could God give a non-souled being a soul at some point in time?
But this does beg the question - could God give a non-souled being a soul at some point in time?
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Dolphin
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But why? Every part of creation points to God and has a reason for existence. The reason for the universe is just “because it’s fun to look at for humans?”
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tafan2
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First, is the universe infinitely expanding?
Second, why is physical size relevant when considering God’s power and His intent?
Finally, if we must speculate on why God created such a vast universe, perhaps the answer is simply “for a stable world”. The solar system is really big. Could the earth support us for a long time if it was smaller? The milky way is very big, could the solar system be stable if it was smaller. Could the milky way be stable without thousands of galaxies around it? Etc, etc. Are we looking for some sort of efficiency in creation? Is there any difference between a millimeter and a mile with respect to God?
The size of the universe provides no hint, in my mind, as to if rational physical beings exist else where.
Second, why is physical size relevant when considering God’s power and His intent?
Finally, if we must speculate on why God created such a vast universe, perhaps the answer is simply “for a stable world”. The solar system is really big. Could the earth support us for a long time if it was smaller? The milky way is very big, could the solar system be stable if it was smaller. Could the milky way be stable without thousands of galaxies around it? Etc, etc. Are we looking for some sort of efficiency in creation? Is there any difference between a millimeter and a mile with respect to God?
The size of the universe provides no hint, in my mind, as to if rational physical beings exist else where.
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Dolphin
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Why are we limiting alien salvation to Jesus becoming human and dying on a cross? Who knows what God may chose to do and might do it differently. Perhaps the Holy Spirit comes inside of just 1 human being and inspires them, like a prophet and this prophet leads them back to God. Who knows how their salvation would take place. I would assume our salvation is unique to us alone.
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