God didn’t ***have to ***become man; He chose to become man, and humanity did not "kill" God.If God became man, gave up His life for our salvation as a sacrifice, then did humanity kill God?
If we did not kill God, how exactly was it a sacrifice?
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“Humanity” is an abstraction and, as such, can’t do anything, including killing God. Individual men killed God (the Roman authorities under Pontius Pilate at the bequest of the Sanhedrin).If God became man, gave up His life for our salvation as a sacrifice, then did humanity kill God?
If we did not kill God, how exactly was it a sacrifice?
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As you know, Neofight, Jesus wasn’t just “very human” but also God. Thus killing the person Jesus is killing a Divine Person. Thus killing the Divine Person Jesus is “killing God.”God didn’t ***have to ***become man; He chose to become man, and humanity did not "kill" God.
When God became man, the Word became flesh, but still retained His divinity.
Therefore, humanity, while responsible for taking the human life of the very human, Jesus, the divine (God) certainly was not killed, as proven by the resurrection and ascension.
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. . . Jesus was . . . . God. Thus killing the person Jesus is killing a Divine Person. Thus killing the Divine Person Jesus is “killing God.” /quoteIf God became man, gave up His life for our salvation as a sacrifice, then did humanity kill God?
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Killing means the death of the physical body. So, since Jesus is God and He was killed in the flesh, yes that would be Deicide.
Remember, even as with homicide, the body is killed since the spirit is eternal.
You misunderstood. By “very”, I did not mean “just”, I meant “really” or “completely”…although there is a risk that if you take this literally as you did my previous response, you will be quick to retort that He was human in all ways except he was free of sin…regardless…He, the human biologic Jesus was killed and died without killing the divine Son.As you know, Neofight, Jesus wasn’t just “very human” but also God. Thus killing the person Jesus is killing a Divine Person. Thus killing the Divine Person Jesus is “killing God.”
The logic is the same as saying Mary is not jus the Mother of the “very human” Jesus, but of God. As Jesus is God anything done to Jesus is done to God, including giving birth to Him and killing Him.
So you are saying that “people” killed God??“Humanity” is an abstraction and, as such, can’t do anything, including killing God. Individual men killed God (the Roman authorities under Pontius Pilate at the bequest of the Sanhedrin).
So if Jesus is eternal, how is his physical death a sacrifice?Killing means the death of the physical body. So, since Jesus is God and He was killed in the flesh, yes that would be Deicide.
Remember, even as with homicide, the body is killed since the spirit is eternal.
Sorry, this is still heretical,You misunderstood. By “very”, I did not mean “just”, I meant “really” or “completely”…although there is a risk that if you take this literally as you did my previous response, you will be quick to retort that He was human in all ways except he was free of sin…regardless…He, the human biologic Jesus was killed and died without killing the divine Son.
Your confusion seems to be you are wrestling eith, as many of do, the concept of the God head and the Holy Trinity , as opposed to the three persons of the Trinity. Two persons who are not human, and one (God the Son) who became human, and thus unlike the other two persons (Father and Holy Spirit) was both Human and divine.
Again, divinity cannot be killed, so Father and Holy Spirit cannot be killed, nor can the divinity of the Son, but the human body of the Son could be and was killed.
More perplexing about your contention is that the human Jesus was not killed, is that then His body did not rise on the third day, and you have inadvertently dismissed the theology of the Resurrection (His resurrection and ours).
Peace and all good!
Yes.So you are saying that “people” killed God??
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No, that doesn’t follow. God died, in the Second Person of the Trinity, through His human nature, but not in His Divine Nature. God the Father and God the HS, didn’t die at all, and, even the dead, in His Human Nature, God the Son still existed (in fact He descended into hell, then rose again).So for 3 days, creation did not have a Creator?
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I see you’re not Christian. You’ll need to tackle the Trinity before really understand any of this. I highly recommend Frank Sheed’s Theology and Sanity which contains the simplest, clearest modern explanation of the Trinity that I know of. You can get it on Amazon HERESo for 3 days, creation did not have a Creator?
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Jesus is eternal in His divine nature, but was mortal in His human nature (though Resurrected His human nature is now immortal). He suffered and died through His human nature, but it was still God (in the Divine Person of the Son) who suffered and died. In fact, being the perfect man, Jesus would have suffered immeasurably more than you or I if we underwent the same torture.So if Jesus is eternal, how is his physical death a sacrifice?
An eternal being knows no sacrifice…they are self contradicting.
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For the record, I never made this “more perplexing… contention”. That was another poster.You misunderstood. By “very”, I did not mean “just”, I meant “really” or “completely”…although there is a risk that if you take this literally as you did my previous response, you will be quick to retort that He was human in all ways except he was free of sin…regardless…He, the human biologic Jesus was killed and died without killing the divine Son.
Your confusion seems to be you are wrestling eith, as many of do, the concept of the God head and the Holy Trinity , as opposed to the three persons of the Trinity. Two persons who are not human, and one (God the Son) who became human, and thus unlike the other two persons (Father and Holy Spirit) was both Human and divine.
Again, divinity cannot be killed, so Father and Holy Spirit cannot be killed, nor can the divinity of the Son, but the human body of the Son could be and was killed.
More perplexing about your contention is that the human Jesus was not killed, is that then His body did not rise on the third day, and you have inadvertently dismissed the theology of the Resurrection (His resurrection and ours).
Peace and all good!
Not only is this strong, but its just plain WRONG.Sorry, this is still heretical,
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That makes absolutely no sense at all. Christ is God, thus when we (used to, before the new translation) proclaim:Not only is this strong, but its just plain WRONG.
I’ll leave it go after this, because I fear we may be beating a dead horse.
If there was any credence to you contention, the entire Church is in error at the Mass when we proclaim:
“Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ will come again!”
Peace and all good!
I am unable to understand how you are separating the human and divine nature of Jesus here and yet in a post further up you say that they cannot be separated.No, that doesn’t follow. God died, in the Second Person of the Trinity, through His human nature, but not in His Divine Nature. God the Father and God the HS, didn’t die at all, and, even the dead, in His Human Nature, God the Son still existed (in fact He descended into hell, then rose again).
Wasn’t the human nature of Jesus fully Divine also? He was fully human and fully Divine correct?Jesus is eternal in His divine nature, but was mortal in His human nature (though Resurrected His human nature is now immortal). He suffered and died through His human nature, but it was still God (in the Divine Person of the Son) who suffered and died. In fact, being the perfect man, Jesus would have suffered immeasurably more than you or I if we underwent the same torture.
Okay. This is complicated, but…I am unable to understand how you are separating the human and divine nature of Jesus here and yet in a post further up you say that they cannot be separated.
"There isn’t two Jesuses, one Divine and one Human, but one Person - both fully human and fully Divine. "
This has confused me dear friend…
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