If God is all knowing

[Graceful_Lamb]

God is not going to force you to believe in Him. If you reject Him, He is not going to force Himself on you. He will be waiting until you believe in Him again.

 

[Bookcat]

God knows too all that will transpire from this second - until your death (be that a week from now or 50 years)…but you do not.

That includes* all that may be given you in the years to come* -which either you will reject or accept.

God knows - but you do not…

I invite you keep seeking and praying …and yes exercising your free will in good oriented ways…

In Jesus Christ who is risen from the dead - is true life!

 

[Mary_Estelle]

I don’t know if there can ever be a definitive answer to your questions as everyone approaches faith or spirituality from an angle unique to the individual. The best I can come up with is that it takes a leap of faith for any believer. I wish you well, 'though, and peace.

 

[LittleFlower378]

If there is a God, and God is all knowing, he knew that I was going to stop believing in him. He knew that I was going to grow up, struggle for decades with my faith, and lose it. He also knew exactly what would have convinced me to keep believing.

He knew the problem, he knew the solution, and he knew my breaking point, but all he did (if he exists) was sit back and watch. Ignoring the notion that he plans to burn me in hell for all eternity for losing my faith, he knew how painful that whole process was.

Yes, I know, you are all ready to type “free will” into a message, but it doesn’t wash. Either he violates other people’s free will to their benefit, or what people think are miracles don’t exist.

In case you are thinking, “Nothing would convince you.” There is a code phrase that I have decided on that I will embrace the faith of whoever uses it. So, if you feel moved to tell me some strange nonsequiter, please don’t hold back.

Yes God knows all that and everything about every persons life, but still LOVES YOU! You are alive and have a chance to love him back, don’t lose that opportunity!

 

[Lion_IRC]

If there is a God, and God is all knowing, he knew that I was going to stop believing in him…

What makes you think you won’t ever start to believe in Him?

And if you really truly, absolutely, positively, rationally, logically, (based on evidence) think He doesn’t exist, why wouldn’t you take Richard Dawkins’ advice.

 

[Lion_IRC]

Funny to see an atheist like Mr Dawkins admitting that the existence of God might be a cause for “worry” (for some people.)

Usually it’s the other way around.
Atheists saying that we (theists) are the ones who worry - worry that God might not exist.

(…yeah, right Mr Dawkins, we ‘invented’ God)

 

[tm21]

Your premise that you are certainly going to hell is not true. The Catholic Church teaches that those who do not believe in God may still be saved if their disbelief is through no fault of their own. In other words, you may be rejecting a false notion of who is God. God is not only all knowing, he is also perfectly just. Therefore where we spend our eternity will be an entirely just outcome…and looking back we will see that God gave us countless opportunities…not the least is that he sent his only Son!

 

[pianistclare]

I’m not mad at God. I don’t believe in God. If there were a God, I would be mad. At the very least I would be confused.

Well then, if you don’t believe He exists, why the question?
It apparently has nothing to do with you.

Unsubscribing. I’m not going to try to talk to someone who already is fixed their own answer to their own (non-pertinent) question. :doh2:

 

[TheCuriousCat]

What makes you think you won’t ever start to believe in Him?

And if you really truly, absolutely, positively, rationally, logically, (based on evidence) think He doesn’t exist, why wouldn’t you take Richard Dawkins’ advice.

If I were to start believing in him it would have to be pretty quick. I am only alive now because I miscalculated. I don’t expect to be alive much longer than a year or two at most.

 

[TheCuriousCat]

Well then, if you don’t believe He exists, why the question?
It apparently has nothing to do with you.

Unsubscribing. I’m not going to try to talk to someone who already is fixed their own answer to their own (non-pertinent) question. :doh2:

Only believers can have questions? Odd position to take. Feel free to do what’s right for you.

 

[TheCuriousCat]

God is not going to force you to believe in Him. If you reject Him, He is not going to force Himself on you. He will be waiting until you believe in Him again.

Force and provide sufficient evidence are two different things. Do you believe the story that he showed Thomas the holes in his hands and feet? Why did he “force” Thomas to believe? He also “forced” Paul apparently.

 

[davidv]

If God is all knowing, he had the knowledge that I would lose my faith, and the knowledge of how to prevent it. That means that God either didn’t want to or couldn’t stop me.

That is called a false dichotomy. Another choice is that he is allowing you to plot your own course, even though Has given you a detailed map and road signs along the way.

He has, it is claimed, intervened for other people. Ergo, the only explanation if God is all knowing and all powerful is that he didn’t want me to believe.

Is it possible that you ignored His intervention?

 

[Graceful_Lamb]

Force and provide sufficient evidence are two different things. Do you believe the story that he showed Thomas the holes in his hands and feet? Why did he “force” Thomas to believe? He also “forced” Paul apparently.

Yes, I believe the story where Jesus showed Thomas the holes in his hands and feet:

biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+20:24-29

As for Paul’s conversion story:

biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9

Jesus filled Paul with the Holy Spirit and Paul became a believer. There are thirteen epistles written by St. Paul.

If you want to consider believing again, you could start off with the Lord’s crucifixion: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2019&version=NRSVCE

Also, if you are comfortable, you could try going to a local church and see how that goes for you.

As previously pointed out, He knows what you are going to do before you actually do it, He knows what is going to happen for the rest of your life (as well as everyone else’s).

Try to trust in Him. You could pray about it, if you feel comfortable doing so.

 

[LethalMouse]

If there is a God, and God is all knowing, he knew that I was going to stop believing in him. He knew that I was going to grow up, struggle for decades with my faith, and lose it. He also knew exactly what would have convinced me to keep believing.

He knew the problem, he knew the solution, and he knew my breaking point, but all he did (if he exists) was sit back and watch. Ignoring the notion that he plans to burn me in hell for all eternity for losing my faith, he knew how painful that whole process was.

Yes, I know, you are all ready to type “free will” into a message, but it doesn’t wash. Either he violates other people’s free will to their benefit, or what people think are miracles don’t exist.

In case you are thinking, “Nothing would convince you.” There is a code phrase that I have decided on that I will embrace the faith of whoever uses it. So, if you feel moved to tell me some strange nonsequiter, please don’t hold back.

You are asking for a predetermined catchphrase to be spit out on the interwebs forum as proof of God?

Trolling? Luckily idc

He doesn’t curtail free will by miracles. And He knows things right?

So many people argue they need knowledge.

Satan has knowledge and still ignores God.

Why would God waste a miracle on someone if they are going where they are going anyway?

On the flip side I think He sometimes allows minor deviation to position things. So as He has a perfect plan and then a backup plan to make the imperfect perfect.

Perhaps He needs you where you are to affect something etc… and as you are posting here seeking Him, perhaps you will get your miracle when you’re done with what needs be.

 

[joseie]

Questions and doubts such as that,since God (if he exist)knows all in advance why he created people who will go bad,who will not be going to believe him, allow evil etc.were there all along and it will be raised in future also as long as man is capable of thinking independently.To find answer to this there are two options. One is to believe that God does not exists and that every thing happened by chance and by long natural evolution.That ends all the doubts.Second option is to believe that God created every thing.But frankly,seeing this beautiful world(I am not including its people !),sun,day ,night,rain etc can anybody think othetwise ?.Ok.,once you believe in God,the next question is why he created us.Only one purpose! To know and worship him.All other things are subsidiary. Not that he want our adoration and worship to survive .It is our natural response to our creater.Ok,now the question is,if that is the position why he created evil etc.(as asked in the op).An excellent answer to this is give in got question.com which is reproduced below. It is worth reading again and again,every word of it. Contd…

 

[joseie]

Contd from previous post…

*Question: “Why does God allow evil?”

Answer: The Bible describes God as holy (Isaiah 6:3), righteous (Psalm 7:11), just (Deuteronomy 32:4), and sovereign (Daniel 4:17-25). These attributes tell us the following about God: (1) God is capable of preventing evil, and (2) God desires to rid the universe of evil. So, if both of these are true, why does God allow evil? If God has the power to prevent evil and desires to prevent evil, why does He still allow evil? Perhaps a practical way to look at this question would be to consider some alternative ways people might have God run the world:

1. God could change everyone’s personality so that they cannot sin. This would also mean that we would not have a free will. We would not be able to choose right or wrong because we would be “programmed” to only do right. Had God chosen to do this, there would be no meaningful relationships between Him and His creation.

Instead, God made Adam and Eve innocent but with the ability to choose good or evil. Because of this, they could respond to His love and trust Him or choose to disobey. They chose to disobey. Because we live in a real world where we can choose our actions but not their consequences, their sin affected those who came after them (us). Similarly, our decisions to sin have an impact on us and those around us and those who will come after us.

1. God could compensate for people’s evil actions through supernatural intervention 100 percent of the time. God would stop a drunk driver from causing an automobile accident. God would stop a lazy construction worker from doing a substandard job on a house that would later cause grief to the homeowners. God would stop a father who is addicted to drugs or alcohol from doing any harm to his wife, children, or extended family. God would stop gunmen from robbing convenience stores. God would stop high school bullies from tormenting the brainy kids. God would stop thieves from shoplifting. And, yes, God would stop terrorists from flying airplanes into buildings.

While this solution sounds attractive, it would lose its attractiveness as soon as God’s intervention infringed on something we wanted to do. We want God to prevent horribly evil actions, but we are willing to let “lesser-evil” actions slide—not realizing that those “lesser-evil” actions are what usually lead to the “greater-evil” actions. Should God only stop actual sexual affairs, or should He also block our access to pornography or end any inappropriate, but not yet sexual, relationships? Should God stop “true” thieves, or should He also stop us from cheating on our taxes? Should God only stop murder, or should He also stop the “lesser-evil” actions done to people that lead them to commit murder? Should God only stop acts of terrorism, or should He also stop the indoctrination that transformed a person into a terrorist?

1. Another choice would be for God to judge and remove those who choose to commit evil acts. The problem with this possibility is that there would be no one left, for God would have to remove us all. We all sin and commit evil acts (Romans 3:23; Ecclesiastes 7:20; 1 John 1:8). While some people are more evil than others, where would God draw the line? Ultimately, all evil causes harm to others.

Instead of these options, God has chosen to create a “real” world in which real choices have real consequences. In this real world of ours, our actions affect others. Because of Adam’s choice to sin, the world now lives under the curse, and we are all born with a sin nature (Romans 5:12). There will one day come a time when God will judge the sin in this world and make all things new, but He is purposely “delaying” in order to allow more time for people to repent so that He will not need to condemn them (2 Peter 3:9). Until then, He IS concerned about evil. When He created the Old Testament laws, the goal was to discourage and punish evil. He judges nations and rulers who disregard justice and pursue evil. Likewise, in the New Testament, God states that it is the government’s responsibility to provide justice in order to protect the innocent from evil (Romans 13). He also promises severe consequences for those who commit evil acts, especially against the “innocent” (Mark 9:36-42).

In summary, we live in a real world where our good and evil actions have direct consequences and indirect consequences upon us and those around us. God’s desire is that for all of our sakes we would obey Him that it might be well with us (Deuteronomy 5:29). Instead, what happens is that we choose our own way, and then we blame God for not doing anything about it. Such is the heart of sinful man. But Jesus came to change men’s hearts through the power of the Holy Spirit, and He does this for those who will turn from evil and call on Him to save them from their sin and its consequences (2 Corinthians 5:17). God does prevent and restrain some acts of evil. This world would be MUCH WORSE were not God restraining evil. At the same time, God has given us the ability to choose good and evil, and when we choose evil, He allows us, and those around us, to suffer the consequences of evil. Rather than blaming God and questioning God on why He does not prevent all evil, we should be about the business of proclaiming the cure for evil and its consequences—Jesus Christ!*

 

[Lion_IRC]

Only believers can have questions? Odd position to take. Feel free to do what’s right for you.

Please forgive people who sadly mistake your motive.
Yes. OF COURSE you, I, we can all seek answers to these existential questions.

And none of us know how much time we may have left of the clock. I pray you have a rich and peaceful life no matter how long or short.

Have you considered my earlier question?

You (basically) asked one of the most ancient theological questions there ever was and my rhetorical question back to you is…how do you know God doesn’t still have your salvation
in mind - that you may have your own epiphany? Why write off God completely?

Many people expect God to give them a sign.
They say… well if God wants me to believe in Him, then He must first do something for me.

Isn’t that kinda backwards?

 

[RPRPsych]

In case you are thinking, “Nothing would convince you.” There is a code phrase that I have decided on that I will embrace the faith of whoever uses it. So, if you feel moved to tell me some strange nonsequiter, please don’t hold back.

You know, I’m getting old and I’m sleep-deprived a lot of the time, but somehow, I remember…
vaguely…
that there was a few good lines somewhere in the Bible.
Something about not putting the Lord thy God to the test.
It sounded nice and poetic.
I think they could be relevant to this situation…
For the Greeks seek wisdom and the Jews asks for signs…
An evil and adulterous generation asks for a sign, but no sign shall be given it…
Something to do with Jonah…

…it’ll probably come back to me sometime.

Praying for you, CuriousCat. Perhaps, since cats have nine lives, Our Lord is also giving you a large number of chances to turn around. Only, we have to play by His rules, not ours. Hard as it may seem. I think the Bible also had an entire book about that…

…something about a job? Help me here, people!

 

[Lion_IRC]

God IS all knowing and He knows you are here in this thread talking about Him.

That’s a pretty good start CuriousCat.

 

[wanstronian]

If I were to start believing in him it would have to be pretty quick. I am only alive now because I miscalculated. I don’t expect to be alive much longer than a year or two at most.

Well that sounds rather worrying. Are you talking about suicide? Suicide prompted by a loss of faith?