If homosexuality is contrary to natural law, then why did God create people that way?
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Freddy
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There most certainly was interference. And now we find there’s denial.Freddy:
Hardly. For the most part there is no interference.
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Freddy
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The change had already happened. That gay marriage became legal was just a recognition of that fact.Freddy:
No, it hasn’t. That unicorn never existed. You can’t wave a magic gavel and change reality. It’s legal make-believe.
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Neithan
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What fact is that? Did our biology change?
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VanitasVanitatum
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It is a social definition that reflects the views of society.
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Freddy
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Not to my knowledge.
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Lara
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. . . .
In a sense, this forum is not public. Nobody is giving their real names, though one day this will change. All people on the internet will have to use their real names.
Plus, we have moderators that change the conversation, so in that sense, it isn’t free speech either.
To V: to say that I’m playing the victim is a pejorative way of stating the truth. We ARE victims in this. When society’s children have to learn falsehoods about sexuality in kindergarten, when they get confused because the teacher states gender is fluid, when a parent has to watch their spouse take their kid in for gender reassignment surgery or medication against their wishes via the courts, we ALL suffer; and we have the LGBT community to thank for all of that.
And we have to shut up. I know that, but remember, when society awakes from this fairyland, we will still have to face the final arbiter.
And I do like Thorolfr, but he’s wrong despite being very likeable.
In a sense, this forum is not public. Nobody is giving their real names, though one day this will change. All people on the internet will have to use their real names.
Plus, we have moderators that change the conversation, so in that sense, it isn’t free speech either.
To V: to say that I’m playing the victim is a pejorative way of stating the truth. We ARE victims in this. When society’s children have to learn falsehoods about sexuality in kindergarten, when they get confused because the teacher states gender is fluid, when a parent has to watch their spouse take their kid in for gender reassignment surgery or medication against their wishes via the courts, we ALL suffer; and we have the LGBT community to thank for all of that.
And we have to shut up. I know that, but remember, when society awakes from this fairyland, we will still have to face the final arbiter.
And I do like Thorolfr, but he’s wrong despite being very likeable.
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Freddy
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But it has nothing at all to do with you what they do, Lara. I mean absolutely nothing. At all. It’s none of your business. None whatsoever. Just as what my partner and I do has nothing at all to do with you.
The only time your beliefs will grant you any validity to call someone’s sex life immoral is if you know what it is they are doing. And why on earth do you want to know? Why are you concentrating on a small percentage of the population and demand that they ‘just stop that behaviour’ when it has zero effect on you?
And that’s all you can do. Define it as immoral as far as you are concerned (and as far as the church is concerned). But how dare you even suggest that someone should ‘just stop that’ because you find it offends your sense of morality.
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lelinator
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Just another example of how hypocritical the Catholics on this forum can be. If I were to continually refer to Catholics as being perverted I would quickly be flagged and suspended. But I guess that those high moral standards only work one way.
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Buks
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I’m aware of bad comments in this thread - I rebuked one earlier, but it was deleted (due, I’d hope, to the deletion of the post that my post referenced). Do you think this thread represents our society? Or even Catholic society? I do not. It would seem quite a stretch to claim a looming aggression even in the CA community. On the other hand, I hope you recognize the aggression toward religious liberty, which is real, organized and active.
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Buks
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I can’t speak for Lara, but maybe you should consider the possibility that Lara’s comment reflect a concern for neighbor, specifically their souls. In the afterlife we’ll be enlightened as to which viewpoint was the truly charitable one.Lara:
But it has nothing at all to do with you what they do, Lara. I mean absolutely nothing. At all. It’s none of your business. None whatsoever. Just as what my partner and I do has nothing at all to do with you.
The only time your beliefs will grant you any validity to call someone’s sex life immoral is if you know what it is they are doing. And why on earth do you want to know? Why are you concentrating on a small percentage of the population and demand that they ‘just stop that behaviour’ when it has zero effect on you?
And that’s all you can do. Define it as immoral as far as you are concerned (and as far as the church is concerned). But how dare you even suggest that someone should ‘just stop that’ because you find it offends your sense of morality.
Your indignation makes me wonder, does it extend to comments that might be made about other beliefs? Let’s say someone believes that homosexual sex is moral, but believes that cheating on the partner is totally, despicably degenerate. Would you say “how dare” they suggest that?
Those are the more dramatic examples. It could be something a lot less though. I’ve known a good few gay men though, as I worked in a sector where being gay was more common, and all of them have had bad relationships with either their mothers or fathers.
Also I’ve seen teenagers “recruited” into the gay scene through lovebombing. The other issue.is that in gay circles there is an unhealthy obsession with youth. It’s very difficult to find an example of a “healthy” gay relationship, at least with men. All that would reinforce my belief that suffering from same sex attraction is so e kind of psychosexual disorder.
Also I’ve seen teenagers “recruited” into the gay scene through lovebombing. The other issue.is that in gay circles there is an unhealthy obsession with youth. It’s very difficult to find an example of a “healthy” gay relationship, at least with men. All that would reinforce my belief that suffering from same sex attraction is so e kind of psychosexual disorder.
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Lara
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I wish it had zero effect on me. But I’ve given three examples of how society is changed by the LGBT community upthread. As usual, these were forgotten in your response. If your child came home distraught because the teacher said there’s not such a thing as a girl or boy, how would you feel?
Also, you will notice how in the media, the unpleasant/unhealthy things that gays do are never mentioned and also the things they don’t want mentioned. Gay domestic violence–glossed over. People realizing the promiscuity of the culture–never mentioned. People leaving the gay culture and wanting to get back to what is right–muzzled. People wanting conversion therapy–muzzled.
I wish you were right and that there was zero effect on society.
Also, you will notice how in the media, the unpleasant/unhealthy things that gays do are never mentioned and also the things they don’t want mentioned. Gay domestic violence–glossed over. People realizing the promiscuity of the culture–never mentioned. People leaving the gay culture and wanting to get back to what is right–muzzled. People wanting conversion therapy–muzzled.
I wish you were right and that there was zero effect on society.
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Zaccheus
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If I went to a gay rights advocacy site and said that SSA was an affliction and homosexual acts perverted, I expect I’d be banned in short order.Lara:
Just another example of how hypocritical the Catholics on this forum can be. If I were to continually refer to Catholics as being perverted I would quickly be flagged and suspended. But I guess that those high moral standards only work one way.
On the other hand some posters at such a site might describe Christianity in most unflattering terms without being suspended.
I think you will not accuse such a site’s moderators of hypocrisy for this.
(Actually neither would I. Wrong yes: but not hypocritical.)
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You most certainly may label all of us as “wounded”. The homosexual act is perverted; the homosexual, as are all of us, is wounded.
As I look at the posts, it appears to me only those who think homosexual acts are normal write that the homosexual is perverted. My search shows that the introduction of the word “pervert” into this thread was in post #51 by Freddy and oft repeated by the same. Seeking “victim” status? Perhaps.
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The fact that many (although not all) gay men have or had bad relations with one or both parents doesn’t mean that this is what made them gay. In most of the cases I’m aware of among my own gay friends, the relationship became bad because of the disapproving way the parent treated their son after discovering that he was gay (after he came out to them, for example) or at least because they perceived that their son was different from most other boys (not interested in sports or gender non-conforming in various ways, for example). In my experience, it’s much more common for gay men who came from conservative religious backgrounds to have bad relations with their parents, especially their fathers.
I think that our culture in general has an unhealthy obsession with youth. You say that it’s “very difficult to find an example of a ‘healthy’ gay relationship,” but how hard have you tried to find one? Maybe you just haven’t been looking in the right places. Have you tried meeting some gay couples in a few big Episcopal or other LGBT welcoming churches? Or how about through the local gay men’s chorus? I know some couples in my local chorus who’ve been together for decades.
You’re free to believe what you want, but most psychologists and psychiatrists and the main national organizations which represent them no longer consider homosexuality to be a psychological disorder.
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1Lord1Faith
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The CCC says that the genesis of homosexuality is largely unknown. But with so many SSA clergy why can’t they figure it out. That’s always stood out to me.
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Freddy
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You do realise that many religions and many Christian denominations see nothing at all wrong with homosexuality. So it’s not that their souls are in danger it is in the opinion of the Catholic church that it is so. If the person in question is not Catholic or not even religious then it doesn’t concern you.
Feel free to pray for their souls. Feel free to tell them that you believe it to be in danger. But don’t dare to tell them how they should conduct themselves in the privacy of their own homes.
And cheating on your partner is despicable because you are betraying the trust of the person who should trust you above all others. And that would include a gay person cheating on their partner.
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Freddy
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There was a thread not so long ago wherein you made many disparaging remarks about gay people and more than once compared their ‘sin’ to bestiality. That thread was closed and I’m pretty certain it was because of that.lelinator:
You most certainly may label all of us as “wounded”. The homosexual act is perverted; the homosexual, as are all of us, is wounded.
As I look at the posts, it appears to me only those who think homosexual acts are normal write that the homosexual is perverted. My search shows that the introduction of the word “pervert” into this thread was in post #51 by Freddy and oft repeated by the same. Seeking “victim” status? Perhaps.
You are not in any position to claim any high ground in this matter.
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Freddy
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What on earth has any of that to do with the matter in hand?
That there is ‘no such thing as a boy or a girl’ seems to be an attempt to denigrate transgenderism. Nothing at all to do with gay couples. And if my son or daughter asked about homosexuality then they’d be told (and were told) the facts of the matter. Result? No problem. Nothing to see here. Move on.
And again, whatever people get up to in the privacy of their homes has NOTHING to do with you at all.
And domestic violence is wrong. Period. To sub clasify it as ‘gay domestic violence’ is as nonsensical as talking about ‘red headed domestic violence’ or ‘American domestic violence’. And promiscuity is wrong. Whether you are straight or gay. If you found some evidence that the French were more promiscuous does that mean that being French was wrong? A nonsensical argument.
And what on earth do you mean by someone ‘leaving the gay culture’? You’re either gay or not. If there are some gay people that like to frequent gay bars or clubs and then decide not to, then just.stop going. Where on earth is the problem?
And conversion therapy? Please, give me a break…
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