If homosexuality is contrary to natural law, then why did God create people that way?

[o_mlly]

Ok, how did that happen?

What is human nature before the Fall, during the Fall, and subsequent to the Fall? Augustine tells us that human nature changed as a result of the Fall, was corrupted by it, and is now inclined to sin (concupiscence). Preceding and during the Fall, human nature was merely open to sin, i.e., free will, but not inclined to sin.

 

[po18guy]

We have gone from Flip Wilson’s “the devil made me do it” to today’s excuse of “God made me do it”

Some progress.

 

[rom]

A homosexual is born with an inherent attraction to the same sex. It’s not something they can avoid, just like a heterosexual sexual cannot avoid being attracted to the opposite sex.

That is exactly what the homosexuals deny. They feel that they weren’t born gay, according to the link I posted in Post #16 above. Did you read it? It is still there. Just click and read. They themselves (the homosexuals) are saying that the idea that a homosexual is born with an inherent attraction to the same sex is FAKE NEWS.

 

[Freddy]

Nobody is saying you can’t have a close friend for the rest of your life. What you can’t have is a sexual relationship. So, at best, the boundary would be a hug occasionally, and perhaps on his birthday, a peck on the cheek in some cultures. That’s it. Nothing you wouldn’t do with a brother or father. To do otherwise is to rebel against God. I wouldn’t throw somebody who rebels against God’s teachings on sexuality in jail, provided they follow the law, so don’t worry, you always have choice, but at the same time, I don’t think we need to have colorful flags declaring pride in sin to be a good thing, which would flow from your logic.

So if two very close friends want to make a public commitment to each other and spend the rest of their lives together then I assume that you wouldn’t have a problem with it. Let’s keep anything of a sexual nature out of it because what they do in private is up to them.

And I think you’re misunderstanding the meaning of the flag. People aren’t proud to be gay per se. Anymore than someone could be proud to be heterosexual. They are proud to be able to announce it to the world and not have to hide it as they used to have to do. And effectively say to anyone who thinks they are sinful or immoral or ill or perverted - hey, deal with it!

 

[Buks]

That sounds like life itself has become no more than a reaction to perceived aggression. People seem hooked on feeling embattled. They hold on to actual prejudices that were widespread in times gone by, unconsciously trying to make new fronts at which they can continue a fight which they use to build an identity. It is all even more prevalent among heterosexuals - they not only use the fight for their own egos, but feel the added sense of heroism of fighting for someone else.

 

[Lara]

Friends do not need to make public commitments to each other. I’ve always believed that anybody going to a hospital who wants his friend there to speak on his behalf should be able to. If he wants to inherit his friend’s money, I’m okay with that too. But you’re speaking, I presume, of “marriage” which can never exist between two people of the same gender.

I totally understand the meaning of the flag. It is a big (swear word, four letters) to people who believe–for sound reasons–that homosexual activity IS immoral, sinful, AND perverted. The saddest part is the co-opting of the rainbow colors.

 

[EndTimes]

Because people aren’t born with an inherent desire to murder someone.

People aren’t born with an inherent desire to have sex with members of their own gender…

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[Neithan]

have sex

This is subtle — or maybe not; but our co-opting of loose language around sexuality has lead to a loss of clarity about it. Two people of the same sex can not actually “have sex” with each other. There is nothing they can do to bring that reality about. A person also cannot “have sex” with him or herself.

It’s not just primarily a psychological thing, or even a physical thing about two individuals; it’s a natural fact about our species. Manipulating the body for orgasm is not having sex. There is nothing about mere physical manoeuvring that is actually “having” a sexual connection when there is only one of the sexes involved.

 

[Freddy]

That sounds like life itself has become no more than a reaction to perceived aggression.

Perceived aggression. Yeah. And two posts up we have gay people designated as perverted.

 

[Zaccheus]

Zaccheus:

WannabeSaint:

So how would it be possible for him to create homosexuality without violating his nature?

God did not create homosexuality. Saying He did because some people commit homosexual acts is like saying God created banditry because some people become bandits.

Sam Sex Attraction is an affliction. Someone with that affliction is not guilty of sin unless they choose to engage in homosexual sex.

Could you define what you consider to be the boundaries in regard to ‘homosexual sex’?

What? No. If you genuinely don’t know whether a given act counts as sex, consult a priest or a doctor.

 

[Freddy]

Friends do not need to make public commitments to each other. I’ve always believed that anybody going to a hospital who wants his friend there to speak on his behalf should be able to. If he wants to inherit his friend’s money, I’m okay with that too. But you’re speaking, I presume, of “marriage” which can never exist between two people of the same gender.

I’m afraid you’re a little out of touch. Marriage in very many places is entirely valid and accepted as being the joining together of two persons of either gender. If you don’t want to call it marriage then feel free. But that horse has long bolted.

And people in love often want to make a public committment. Forsaking all others etc. Who’s to say they can’t?

 

[EndTimes]

This is subtle — or maybe not; but our co-opting of loose language around sexuality has lead to a loss of clarity about it. Two people of the same sex can not actually “have sex” with each other. There is nothing they can do to bring that reality about. A person also cannot “have sex” with him or herself.

It’s not just primarily a psychological thing, or even a physical thing about two individuals; it’s a natural fact about our species. Manipulating the body for orgasm is not having sex. There is nothing about mere physical manoeuvring that is actually “having” a sexual connection when there is only one of the sexes involved.

Lack of clarity?

Homosexual Sex is contrary to God…

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[Lara]

Perverted means:
Deviating from what is considered right and correct; Of, relating to, or engaging in sexual practices that are
considered abnormal or deviant;
Marked by misinterpretation or distortion.

I’ve used the word correctly. As for aggression, Christians do feel angry about being muzzled. When gays came out of the closet, they stuffed Christians in the closet.

 

[Neithan]

Do you see what I mean? If two people can “have sex” with each other, and love each other romantically, then why can’t they get married? After all, many jurisdictions consider two people in a conjugal relationship as a common law married couple, whether or not they have a marriage contract.

Well, actually, they can’t. They are objectively incapable of a conjugal relationship.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Zaccheus:

WannabeSaint:

So how would it be possible for him to create homosexuality without violating his nature?

God did not create homosexuality. Saying He did because some people commit homosexual acts is like saying God created banditry because some people become bandits.

Sam Sex Attraction is an affliction. Someone with that affliction is not guilty of sin unless they choose to engage in homosexual sex.

Could you define what you consider to be the boundaries in regard to ‘homosexual sex’?

What? No. If you genuinely don’t know whether a given act counts as sex, consult a priest or a doctor.

Let me guess that your definition of sex would encompass the act between a man and a woman that would lead to conception. And that would be it? If so, then that leaves a lot that people could do apart from sex.

 

[EndTimes]

If two people can “have sex” with each other, and love each other romantically, then why can’t they get married?

Because, comma, God opposes unnatural sex…

 

[Zaccheus]

By necessity, yes it is important. But people are saying that it shouldn’t be allowed. You wouldn’t be doing it from choice. It’s that you cannot live with anyone. You cannot have a lifetime partnership. You cannot love and be loved in the same sense that all of us look for and hopefully find.

You’re not being forbidden to love or have close lifetime friendships. You’re being told it’s wrong to f**k someone else of the same sex.
That is not the same thing, and it is very tiresome to watch people insist on ignoring or obscuring the difference.

As a heterosexuall man my choices are to marry and then have sex with my wife, and only my wife; or else not marry and be celibate. No sex ever, for my whole life, unless I marry. That is not an onerous and tyrannical demand by the Church. It is simply a fact about how sex is designed to work.

As a homosexual man, afflicted with SSA, I would not have the option of marriage. This also is not a tyrannical demand by the Church. It is simply how sex is meant to work.

Either way, gay or straight, I am not forbidden to have lifelong friendships, nor to love other people. I’m just not allowed to ignore the way God created us in order to justify taking my pleasures where I shouldn’t.

 

[Zaccheus]

As for aggression, Christians do feel angry about being muzzled. When gays came out of the closet, they stuffed Christians in the closet.

They surely tried.

 

[Freddy]

Perverted means:
Deviating from what is considered right and correct; Of, relating to, or engaging in sexual practices that are
considered abnormal or deviant;
Marked by misinterpretation or distortion.

I’ve used the word correctly. As for aggression, Christians do feel angry about being muzzled. When gays came out of the closet, they stuffed Christians in the closet.

So if a close friend told you that her daughter was gay then you’d have no problem in referring to her as ‘perverted’.

And when gays came out of the closet they tended to rail against Christians who still describe them as perverts.

 

[EndTimes]

I’ve used the word correctly. As for aggression, Christians do feel angry about being muzzled. When gays came out of the closet, they stuffed Christians in the closet.

You keep hiding behind that same baloney?