If homosexuality is contrary to natural law, then why did God create people that way?

[PennyinCanada]

A gay person cant avoid being attracted to a person of the same sex. Even if they tried.

I may be attracted to my boss, to the married man next door, or I could be married and looking at that young guy watching football beside me in the stands. There are always attractive people around who are pleasant and fun and I would like to know better.
It does not mean I should pursue a relationship.

 

[Freddy]

WannabeSaint:

A gay person cant avoid being attracted to a person of the same sex. Even if they tried.

I may be attracted to my boss, to the married man next door, or I could be married and looking at that young guy watching football beside me in the stands. There are always attractive people around who are pleasant and fun and I would like to know better.
It does not mean I should pursue a relationship.

You appear to be suggesting that gay people cannot have relationships with anyone. Does that sound like much of a life to you?

 

[otjm]

Your first error is presuming that God created homosexuals that way. And your philosophical statement is incorrect; God does not have to go against His will. He did not create a perfect nature; He created the world and Nature is imperfect, as any biologist can tell you.

Hoe it got that way has been posited as the result of the sin of Adam and Eve; I will leave it up to the theologians to wrestle with that issue. What is clear is that Nature is not perfect. Ask anyone who has had a miscarriage. Or anyone who has given birth to a child with birth defects.

As to why some people have SSA, there has been speculation; last I heard there is no specific proof. However, having known a number of people with SSA, I can tell you that most of them would say that it is a burden; some would refer to it as a curse - which may be more a figure of speech than a presumption that God cursed them.

 

[PennyinCanada]

You appear to be suggesting that gay people cannot have relationships with anyone. Does that sound like much of a life to you?

I am not suggesting that. I was answering a question about sexual attraction. I have friends that I am not sexually attracted to. Common interests, common goals, similar experiences make interesting friends, for anyone.

 

[John_Martin]

People have all sorts of “disordered” desires. The origins of some of these desires are not completely understood.

The ideas of what will satisfy desires are learned, either by repeated accidental satisfactions, or by repeated experimental satisfactions, or by repeated violations of a person that still stimulate satisfactions, or by reasoned knowing of truth about appetites, that they have an intelligible purpose for understanding - “that feels good” is not an end in itself but is a trigger for the human to know something about his doings.

“Ordered Desire” is found when the will is moving the body to manifest reasoned, revealed, known goodness (conception with husband and wife in this case) as the correct target of the desire, and ordered desire sees “feels good” as trigger for husband’s and wife’s KNOWING, “we have succeeded if the Lord is KNOWING with us and creates a soul to animate our Ordered Desire.”

John Martin

 

[Zach]

Do you guys actually know anyone who is gay?

Not that I’m aware of. Yeah I know, like I read a thousand times on this forum, even if I’m not aware of it someone I know is homosexual based on statistics, so anyone about to post that can save your typing. By saying I’m not aware of any homosexual I know personally doesn’t mean I’m saying nobody I know is homosexual.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

You appear to be suggesting that gay people cannot have relationships with anyone. Does that sound like much of a life to you?

I am not suggesting that. I was answering a question about sexual attraction. I have friends that I am not sexually attracted to. Common interests, common goals, similar experiences make interesting friends, for anyone.

How would you feel when you were growing up if you were told that yes, it’s fine to meet people and make friends and have common interests but…nothing else. No more than that. If you find that you are attracted to someone then you cannot pursue that attraction. Don’t look for love as everyone esle does. Don’t think you’ll be allowed a lifetime partnership with the person of your dreams. Don’t expect to share your life with anyone. Don’t bother looking forward to growing old with anyone.

You are different.

 

[Zach]

A lot of heterosexuals grow up without ever having a partner. Plenty never find someone. They feel different too. I sympathize with people as individuals, not because of their sexuality. Everyone has crosses to bear and it’s better not to dwell on them or think ours are any more difficult than anyone elses.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

You appear to be suggesting that gay people cannot have relationships with anyone. Does that sound like much of a life to you?

Learning how to cope with living alone is an important skill to have in general, but I would think it is possible.

 

[PennyinCanada]

No one is guaranteed a long life, or marriage, or children. Lots of people are single their whole life, are called different, don’t fit in, what ever it is. It’s not that I wish that for them.

Some people are handicapped physically, some mentally, some have chronic illness. All of us play the hand we’re dealt.

Whatever life hands us, it’s better to walk with God than to walk without him. No question. I’ve lived a life without God and I can say, with God is immeasurably better.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

You appear to be suggesting that gay people cannot have relationships with anyone. Does that sound like much of a life to you?

Learning how to cope with living alone is an important skill to have in general, but I would think it is possible.

By necessity, yes it is important. But people are saying that it shouldn’t be allowed. You wouldn’t be doing it from choice. It’s that you cannot live with anyone. You cannot have a lifetime partnership. You cannot love and be loved in the same sense that all of us look for and hopefully find.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

Someone who wants to follow Church teaching will try to find a way to overcome those obstacles and that’s mostly who I am talking about.

Non-Catholics just do what they want and if they don’t have a spouse it’s certainly not the Church’s fault.

 

[Zach]

Are you saying Catholics are saying you cannot or the culture? Since gay marriage is permitted it’s kinda hard to say the culture is saying you cannot.

 

[Freddy]

No one is guaranteed a long life, or marriage, or children. Lots of people are single their whole life, are called different, don’t fit in, what ever it is. It’s not that I wish that for them.

Some people are handicapped physically, some mentally, some have chronic illness. All of us play the hand we’re dealt.

Again with the comparisons with disabilities. ‘Hey, my friend is mentally subnormal and he hasn’t got a partner. If he can do it then man up and stop complaining’.

But the cards some people have are the ones that you give them. It’s not that they are unable to have a relationship. You are refusing to allow them to have one. Oh, sorry…it’s not you of course. It’s the church. It’s God’s will.

And some people have to go through life listening to arguments that compare their feelings with disabilities. With handicaps. That compare them with paedophiles.

I think of the lifetime I have had with my wife and I couldn’t wish a greater gift on anyone than a long and happy partnership. If we’d had nothing more in life than that then we’d have lived a full and happy life. It’s how we toast young married couples: ‘Your relationship will change. But it will age well. It will become deeper and stronger and more meaningful. Enjoy the journey!’

And you want to deny that to so many people.

 

[Zach]

I can’t take the woe is me. It’s time I mute this thread. Have fun all.

 

[PennyinCanada]

I know a deacon in the church who is this amazing man. He’s under 5 foot tall, he’s kinda funny looking, walks kinda crocked. He made a decision to be a deacon so he will never marry. He has this amazing relationship with God. My goodness, to hear him give a homily! Wow. Now this culture would give him some kind of self loathing because he’s nothing handsome at all and yet he can stand in front of a huge amount of people and move hearts like anything. If I was in my last half hour of life, I would hope he was there.

I think we need more men like him around, to show us what a generous loving heart for God looks like.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

But the cards some people have are the ones that you give them. It’s not that they are unable to have a relationship. You are refusing to allow them to have one. Oh, sorry…it’s not you of course. It’s the church. It’s God’s will.

This isn’t the reality. She could say whatever and it will have no power over them. It’s practically a fake problem.

 

[Freddy]

Non-Catholics just do what they want and if they don’t have a spouse it’s certainly not the Church’s fault.

Sorry, maybe I misunderstood. Is it just Catholic homosexuality is the problem? If it is, then I’d have no problem with it. These are the rules and if you want to be a true Catholic then you must abide by them. Where’s the problem there?

I don’t know where I got the idea that all homosexuality was wrong. Maybe from reading all the posts in this forum about gay people.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

I don’t know where I got the idea that all homosexuality was wrong. Maybe from reading all the posts in this forum about gay people.

I’m not talking about morality just what happens in real life.

 

[Freddy]

Are you saying Catholics are saying you cannot or the culture? Since gay marriage is permitted it’s kinda hard to say the culture is saying you cannot.

I’m responding to individuals in this forum. They’d almost certainly be Catholic. And are almost certainly following the church teaching on the matter.

The rest of the world generally has no problem with it.