If homosexuality is contrary to natural law, then why did God create people that way?

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PennyinCanada said:
I know a deacon in the church who is this amazing man. He’s under 5 foot tall, he’s kinda funny looking, walks kinda crocked. He made a decision to be a deacon so he will never marry. He has this amazing relationship with God. My goodness, to hear him give a homily! Wow. Now this culture would give him some kind of self loathing because he’s nothing handsome at all and yet he can stand in front of a huge amount of people and move hearts like anything. If I was in my last half hour of life, I would hope he was there.

I think we need more men like him around, to show us what a generous loving heart for God looks like.
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I have no idea how any of that is relevant in any way whatsoever.
 
Freddy said:
And you want to deny that to so many people.
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I wish that people would pursue a relationship with God first. To be holy in this life and with God in the next. A grace I wish all of us. A long and happy partnership, with God first.

They are free to choose in this life and in the next.

I know a very good Catholic man who was married, had 2 children. His wife seemed to say that this life of raising children was way harder than she ever imagined, and she left. This man still comes to church, still kneels in prayer, receives the Eucharist every week, maybe more often. He still has his wedding band on. He must be some kind of amazing. Maybe you need more amazing men in your life.
 
VanitasVanitatum said:
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Freddy:
But the cards some people have are the ones that you give them. It’s not that they are unable to have a relationship. You are refusing to allow them to have one. Oh, sorry…it’s not you of course. It’s the church. It’s God’s will.
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This isn’t the reality. She could say whatever and it will have no power over them. It’s practically a fake problem.
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That’s like saying racism is a problem only if it prevents certain people from doing what they want.
 
Freddy said:
I have no idea how any of that is relevant in any way whatsoever.
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Gee that’s too bad.
That deacon would say We have an AMAZING God! and he lives the single life of service. May more men have that testimony. Men called to the single life. Deacon would never say he picked that life because he couldn’t get married. Because he was different, because he had the deck stacked against him. He grabbed onto God’s hand and is amazing.
That’s what I wish for more men. Men with ssa.
 
I don’t think what you are saying is working.
 
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Freddy said:
That’s like saying racism is a problem only if it prevents certain people from doing what they want.
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What she said would at the most be annoying to them. Other things on this thread are problematic though and I agree.
 
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PennyinCanada said:
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Freddy:
And you want to deny that to so many people.
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I wish that people would pursue a relationship with God first. To be holy in this life and with God in the next. A grace I wish all of us. A long and happy partnership, with God first.

They are free to choose in this life and in the next.
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That’s not your position though, is it. You aren’t saying that you would prefer that people take a different course. You are saying that a particular course should not be allowed. That to follow it is a mortal sin that will send you to hell for eternity. Not much of a choice.

Did you argue against gay marriage? Or did you express a preference? Did you suggest that they should be free to make the choice themselves or did you oppose it?
 
VanitasVanitatum said:
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Freddy:
That’s like saying racism is a problem only if it prevents certain people from doing what they want.
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At worst it would be annoying.
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Annoying. Really? Some people compared my neice to a paedophile recently. Said she was disordered. Bound for an eternity in hell. A pervert. And that was in this forum.

If someone referred to your son or your mother or your niece in a social setting in those terms, then what would your reaction be. ‘Gee friend, that’s really annoying…’
 
PennyinCanada said:
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Freddy:
I have no idea how any of that is relevant in any way whatsoever.
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Gee that’s too bad.
That deacon would say We have an AMAZING God! and he lives the single life of service. May more men have that testimony. Men called to the single life. Deacon would never say he picked that life because he couldn’t get married. Because he was different, because he had the deck stacked against him. He grabbed onto God’s hand and is amazing.
That’s what I wish for more men. Men with ssa.
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He made a choice. You are not offering a choice.
 
PennyinCanada said:
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Freddy:
He made a choice. You are not offering a choice.
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God allows us to make our choices in this life. We are free to do so.
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So you have no problem with gay people being free to marry. I guess you could tell them that God doesn’t agree with it and I’m sure they’d be free to decide if that argument is valid.

Now all we have to do is stop people calling them perverted and sick and we’re all good.
 
Freddy said:
I guess you could tell them that God doesn’t agree with it and I’m sure they’d be free to decide if that argument is valid.
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Why is it my business to tell them that God doesn’t agree?

I have 2 neighbors next door to me. Pleasant guys, we’ve had great chats. We laughed and cried over our joys and losses. My dog pulls me up his driveway to say hello. We are good to each other. He’s a good neighbor (both of them are) and I try to be good to them. I don’t ask questions that are none of my business, other than if he driveway needs a shovel since they have the flu.
 
PennyinCanada said:
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Freddy:
I guess you could tell them that God doesn’t agree with it and I’m sure they’d be free to decide if that argument is valid.
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Why is it my business to tell them that God doesn’t agree?

I have 2 neighbors next door to me. Pleasant guys, we’ve had great chats. We laughed and cried over our joys and losses. My dog pulls me up his driveway to say hello. We are good to each other. He’s a good neighbor (both of them are) and I try to be good to them. I don’t ask questions that are none of my business, other than if he driveway needs a shovel since they have the flu.
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You sound like a good person, Penny. Let’s hope the flu is just the flu and not the corona virus. Stay safe.

And my apologies if I came across as a little beligerant. Some threads have that affect on me.
 
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Freddy said:
Some people compared my neice to a paedophile recently. Said she was disordered. Bound for an eternity in hell. A pervert. And that was in this forum.
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I said I agreed with you that the other offensive posts were wrong.
 
Here are my two cents on the question of homosexuality. As far as i can tell people are placing to much emphasis on whether or not people are born homosexual. I think that is irrelevant. Let us assume that some people are indeed born with homosexuality. Does that mean they are beyond salvation and that they are a lost cause? No, it just means that this is something for them to overcome. Everyone has some innate struggle to overcome. Just because you were born a certain way doesn’t mean it is a license to freely indulge in it.

One example I can think was an atheist who was born with psychopathy. He feels no empathy and lacks a lot of emotions. He even attempted to murder his father. After a long struggle he came to believe in Jesus. I wont spoil the the whole story for you but I suggest you take a look into his story. He was born a psychopath with violent tendencies but yet still finds Jesus and through him becomes a new man. Today he is a Christian apologist who regularly debates Muslims and Atheists. He is still a psychopath but he is more than what he was born. Does that make sense? A person can be born a homosexual but that does not mean that is all they can be. A person can be born addicted to drugs but does that mean they must be condemned to be a drug addict for the rest of their lives? No!

My point is that it does not matter if a person is born homosexual or not. Everyone has something they were born with that is a source of spiritual struggle. If someone struggles with homosexuality or even heterosexuality run amok they have to fight a spiritual war and do what is right. For some people they must contend with alcohol, gambling, drugs, homosexuality, heterosexuality, anger, despair, gluttony, pride, and etc.
 
WannabeSaint said:
So how would it be possible for him to create homosexuality without violating his nature?
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God did not create homosexuality. Saying He did because some people commit homosexual acts is like saying God created banditry because some people become bandits.

Sam Sex Attraction is an affliction. Someone with that affliction is not guilty of sin unless they choose to engage in homosexual sex.
 
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WannabeSaint:
So how would it be possible for him to create homosexuality without violating his nature?
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God did not create homosexuality. Saying He did because some people commit homosexual acts is like saying God created banditry because some people become bandits.

Sam Sex Attraction is an affliction. Someone with that affliction is not guilty of sin unless they choose to engage in homosexual sex.
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Could you define what you consider to be the boundaries in regard to ‘homosexual sex’?
 
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