If homosexuality is contrary to natural law, then why did God create people that way?

[po18guy]

Concupiscence.

The “natural” result of the fall from grace. It explains our tendency to sin.

Does not matter which sins we incline toward. Knowing that sin is the only thing which separates us from God, we are called - expected - to struggle to avoid sin, pleading for God’s mercy and grace.

 

[John_Martin]

But people are saying that it shouldn’t be allowed. You wouldn’t be doing it from choice. It’s that you cannot live with anyone. You cannot have a lifetime partnership. You cannot love and be loved in the same sense that all of us look for and hopefully find.

Secular governments do this “allowed / not allowed” laws thing and force compliance.
But as for us who are Catholic, we volitionally have vowed obedience to our superiors with whom we agree that we will do things in an “alien” way to how the world defines and enforces morality.

The “face” shown to the citizens of the world by us whose citizenship is not of this world is that we will not do as you seek governmental license to act out. It is intentional ordering of our desires to our intelligible knowing of what is human; we are not slaves of what “seems desirable” so to define “what I am by what appetite I have at any moment”.

We are Catholic in your midst and act in free will rather than by license. But we could walk out and abandon our intention to pretend again in the matrix that we wanted to be by feelings rather than be intelligibly.

John Martin

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

But people are saying that it shouldn’t be allowed. You wouldn’t be doing it from choice. It’s that you cannot live with anyone. You cannot have a lifetime partnership. You cannot love and be loved in the same sense that all of us look for and hopefully find.

Secular governments do this “allowed / not allowed” laws thing and force compliance.
But as for us who are Catholic, we volitionally have vowed obedience to our superiors with whom we agree that we will do things in an “alien” way to how the world defines and enforces morality.

As I have said, John. I have no problem with voluntarily deciding to live a life according to Catholic teaching. But please don’t expect (and especially do not demand) that others must follow that same path.

 

[Buks]

VanitasVanitatum:

Freddy:

You appear to be suggesting that gay people cannot have relationships with anyone. Does that sound like much of a life to you?

Learning how to cope with living alone is an important skill to have in general, but I would think it is possible.

By necessity, yes it is important. But people are saying that it shouldn’t be allowed. You wouldn’t be doing it from choice. It’s that you cannot live with anyone. You cannot have a lifetime partnership. You cannot love and be loved in the same sense that all of us look for and hopefully find.

You can live with, love, have a lifetime partnership with the same sex. There’s no need to demand the same name for the relationship, though. Don’t co-opt the whole of marriage, or consider yours a sacrament. Would it not be damned as “cultural appropriation” if the shoe was on the other foot (political correctness would never apply in that case!)?

As for physical love, we’ve all been aware of the sinfulness of some behaviors possible with the same or opposite sex, and we’ll answer to God and hope for God’s mercy.

 

[John_Martin]

. I have no problem with voluntarily deciding to live a life according to Catholic teaching. But please don’t expect (and especially do not demand) that others must follow that same path.

I do not demand it; those wishing to be with Christ, to be Catholic, require it of themselves without protest or complaint of injustice.

 

[o_mlly]

If homosexuality is contrary to natural law, then why did God create people that way?

If [insert any of the seven deadly sin] is contrary to natural law, then why do people go against God and nature?

Why a special cutout for certain sins of lust? The PEGALSW community strongly protests such discrimination!

(Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Avarice, Lust, Sloth, and Wrath)

 

[HomeschoolDad]

One thing I don’t see explicitly brought out in this thread:

We do not know why any particular person is homosexual. If some are “born that way” — and I think they are — it does not mean that Almighty God positively created them that way on purpose, rather, He allowed them to develop in this way due to the effects of Original Sin, the same way that some people are born with genetic issues (Down syndrome, epilepsy, tendency to alcoholism, inborn mental illnesses, etc.) or who are malformed or handicapped in some way. It is not “all that person is”, nor can they be blamed for it. A close relative of mine was, from all indications, “born that way”, and agonized over it throughout this adolescence and possibly beyond. He didn’t choose it. I don’t doubt that in our degraded modern era, many people “try it and like it”, and in some of those cases, undoubtedly a choice is made, and due to the cussedness of human nature, it becomes their preference.

In the case of those who are “born that way”, God has given them a huge cross that is “custom-designed” for their salvation, the same way that, quite frankly, some people have other challenges that make it harder for them to follow His Will than other people have. It doesn’t seem fair, but that is just reality informed by Divine Grace. A “born that way” gay person can never have sex or intimacy in a way that does not displease Almighty God. It is the same as when heterosexual people cannot ever find someone to marry. They are not therefore justified in self-gratification, visiting prostitutes, or using pornography to give them the pleasure that married people are allowed. It’s just something they have to do without. Again, it doesn’t seem fair, it doesn’t seem right, but that is just reality. I would like to see a society, a cultural order, in which celibate gay people are encouraged to stay chaste, are respected, and are given all the support they need, without being bullied, discriminated against, or snickered at for being “queer”. Or they might just keep it to themselves, if they wish, and not have it speculated about as to why they are not married.

 

[rosejmj]

There is research that does support it being partly genetic and also physiological. No one really knows the cause and most likely there are many factors that play a role in whether someone will be homosexual

 

[Peter089]

Like what the majority of people here are saying, God didn’t create it, but in a fallen world we’re all born with original sin so some people have homosexuality as a “sin” that they’re born with, for others it’s been ingrained in them due to abuse from a member of the same sex and others simply go that way through experimentation and therefore it could be more of a demonic influence, given there’s demons for sure same sex attractions. Fr Ripperger a very popular exorcist talks about them. That’s just a quick run down.

 

[Lara]

Nobody is saying you can’t have a close friend for the rest of your life. What you can’t have is a sexual relationship. So, at best, the boundary would be a hug occasionally, and perhaps on his birthday, a peck on the cheek in some cultures. That’s it. Nothing you wouldn’t do with a brother or father. To do otherwise is to rebel against God. I wouldn’t throw somebody who rebels against God’s teachings on sexuality in jail, provided they follow the law, so don’t worry, you always have choice, but at the same time, I don’t think we need to have colorful flags declaring pride in sin to be a good thing, which would flow from your logic.

 

[lelinator]

Concupiscence.

The “natural” result of the fall from grace. It explains our tendency to sin.

Does not matter which sins we incline toward. Knowing that sin is the only thing which separates us from God, we are called - expected - to struggle to avoid sin, pleading for God’s mercy and grace.

How does concupiscence explain our tendency to sin?

 

[WannabeSaint]

I guess another question I would ask is how can we tell when an instinct in us is unnatural (being attracted to the same sex) versus natural (an infant desiring affection)?

 

[PennyinCanada]

Thanks for your comment. I appreciate that.

 

[Genesis315]

Others mentioned it is concupiscence, a consequence of original sin, but in case you’re wondering why God allows concupiscence to remain after Baptism, the Roman Catechism says of concupiscence and other infirmities, “in them we may have the seed and material of virtue from which we shall hereafter receive a more abundant harvest of glory and more ample rewards. When, with patient resignation, we bear all the trials of life, and, aided by the divine assistance, subject to the dominion of reason the rebellious desires of the heart, we ought to cherish an assured hope that if, with the Apostle we shall have fought a good fight, finished the course, and kept the faith, the Lord, the just judge, will render to us on that day a crown of justice which is laid up for us.”

Jesus Himself tells us this, when He commands us to take up our cross and follow in His footsteps. The way of salvation is one of the Cross.

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[lelinator]

Others mentioned it is concupiscence, a consequence of original sin,

I don’t understand the relationship between concupiscence and original sin. Can you explain how concupiscence caused original sin, if indeed it did?

 

[Genesis315]

Other way around–original sin caused concupiscence. The first sin (and all sin really) wounded human nature especially in the flesh. While God creates and infuses each spiritual soul immediately, we receive our flesh from our parents who received it from theirs and on and on all the way back to the first parents. That is why Scripture often speaks of subduing the flesh to the spirit or the flesh being weak, even while the spirit is willing.

 

[lelinator]

Other way around–original sin caused concupiscence.

Ok, how did that happen? Did man do something wrong and that caused concupiscence? What did he do?

 

[Elias]

Pointing out that sinners are sinners and God doesn’t make people into sinners isn’t a sin. Why don’t you tell me how you really feel?

 

[EndTimes]

Homosexuality is said to be a violation of natural law. Natural law is a part of Gods will and God cannot go against his will.

So how would it be possible for him to create homosexuality without violating his nature?

Your question is on a par with this False Question:

If Adam and Eve DisObeyed God, why did God Create them?

If Murder is contrary to natural law - why did God Create Murderers?

The problem is neither God nor His Creation of beings with Free Will who can Choose God or Sin…

 

[WannabeSaint]

If Murder is contrary to natural law - why did God Create Murderers?

Because people aren’t born with an inherent desire to murder someone. Murderers choose to be murderers.

A homosexual is born with an inherent attraction to the same sex. It’s not something they can avoid, just like a heterosexual sexual cannot avoid being attracted to the opposite sex.

I’m not concerned about the choice homosexuals make to engage in homosexual activity later on. I’m concerned why God created them with an unnatural desire to begin with.