The lineage is not merely physical, it is spiritual, doctrinal, theological, sacramental, historical.
OK, I am clearly seeing why ddarko gets frustrated with you.
I am interested to hear the answer to that also, And I also asked a question that was never addressed in my last post which was lets hope overlooked.
Okay then if this is true how do you interpret this scripture 2 Peter 1:20 Then go to Romans 12:6
Truth, if it is truth cannot change. Follow all truths forward and backward. If they have changed then they cannot be true. If they have not changed then they must be true. The Holy Spirit knows the mind of God and it is the Spirit that searches and leads you and me into all truth.
Thanks for the clarification. Missed your post earlier.
. This is, after all, an internet forum. A way to have some leisure time reading and exchanging ideas, thoughts, etc. Some take it more seriously than others. I don’t take it too seriously.
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. The Lord received me with open arms and I have not looked back since. I am doing the works He wants me to do and I try with all my might to stay obedient to Him. I have to admit that my Christian foundation is almost completely Catholic, which drive some of my non catholic brothers and friends a little crazy 
..Thanks for sharing. Obviously however, this story does not reveal nearly enough of the important details of why you left, because with the admissions you’ve made here (many of which I bolded for emphasis) your departure was not logically sound at all. Seems you judged the Church solely on the interactions you had with a few untactful and unhelpful Catholics and teachers who didn’t satisfy you with their answers, and you did not seek the answers elsewhere, all the while you concede that the Church Herself has given you so much foundational faith and retains the true origins of Christianity.I started reading scriptures like never before, completely convinced that what I had been taught for most of the years of my life was completely, and without doubt, true
I had so many questions about the history of the Church, the Traditions, the way things were practiced, I believed the word of God but I wanted to understand the practices if the Church, I realized that some of the things were not included in scripture and I was eager to understand the reasoning behind the practices. All I got most of the time was: “That is a mystery of Faith, just do what you are told and follow your heart”… So, I left the church.
I went on to practice, almost every other religion/divination/etc practice (Santeria, Spiritualism, Pentecostal church) that I could get my hands into. Quickly realizing that they were all lacking the solid apostolic teaching of the Catholic Church.
So I left religion completely.
Fast forward, I discovered Martin Luther… I know, I know… a fellow angry ex-catholic
So, to answer your question more directly… I** know the Bible is the word of God because the Catholic Church taught me so and He revealed it to me**. That is just my personal experience and I will take it to the grave with me
Very tactful of you to notice, there is a lot more, this is just not the appropriate venue. I am not here to talk negatively about the Church. I have too much respect for Her to do that. I am here to learn and share a little of what I understand and my experience.
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And may God richly bless you for your sincerity and openness to His guidance. Perhaps we can help be an instrument of that guidance if you are ever seeking the answers you did not adequately receive in your past. While I am a fairly new convert, I am very familiar with the problems of catechesis and modernity that has plagued the Church over the last several decades, creating a tragic exodus from Her fold. Let me know if I, or anyone else here, can provide answers for you.Very tactful of you to notice, there is a lot more, this is just not the appropriate venue. I am not here to talk negatively about the Church. I have too much respect for Her to do that. I am here to learn and share a little of what I understand and my experience.
I don’t believe I am rejecting the Church… (I walked away for other (additional) more personal reasons but I have always had it close to my heart) I probably don’t see the Church the same way you do. I am not currently practicing the rite I grew up with. I’m still searching and most importantly I have been blessed enough to have met and continue to meet some amazing men and women of our Lord. I just don’t have a label right now
I have Faith that our Lord will guide me on my journey.
Thank you Steve, I might take you up on the offer
It is difficult to understand what you missed as a Catholic. It is difficult to discern what you find as a Protestant.Thanks for the clarification. Missed your post earlier.
I’ll try to make this short and avoid being lazy
I was raised in the RCC, I was baptized a month after I was born. I had my 1st Communion, my Confirmation, did Altar Boy duties, was a guest speaker at Catholic retreats, attended two different seminaries (Local diocese and an Augustine one, 2 years each) as a guest, etc. The reason I bring this up is to sum up a Roman Catholic upbringing during my personal life and my academic life. My school was named after St. Phillip the Apostle. Like most of you, I understand where we get the bible from and all the sacrifices and diligent work the Church Fathers performed for us to enjoy what we have today as the Holy Bible.
During one of my retreats, I had some personal issues and I was not “feeling” too gracious. I waited till the end of the sermon and went back to the chapel by myself and walked to the altar and looking straight to the crucified Christ, I thought to myself: "This never happened (thinking about Christ and the entire christian history) and we (people) are just light bulbs (We turn on while we have life and when we die we just become food for worms, there is nothing after that). I immediately passed out and all I remember was seeing this very bright light, almost blinding. I regained my consciousness laying on the couch of the Chapel’s Priest chamber. They carried me there… leaving some space for all the jokes or smart remarks
I started reading scriptures like never before, completely convinced that what I had been taught for most of the years of my life was completely, and without doubt, true. This is when I went to the St. Augustine seminar (I was in college). During this time, I had so many questions about the history of the Church, the Traditions, the way things were practiced, I believed the word of God but I wanted to understand the practices if the Church, I realized that some of the things were not included in scripture and I was eager to understand the reasoning behind the practices. All I got most of the time was: “That is a mystery of Faith, just do what you are told and follow your heart”… So, I left the church.
I went on to practice, almost every other religion/divination/etc practice (Santeria, Spiritualism, Pentecostal church) that I could get my hands into. Quickly realizing that they were all lacking the solid apostolic teaching of the Catholic Church.
So I left religion completely.
Fast forward, I discovered Martin Luther… I know, I know… a fellow angry ex-catholic
So, to answer your question more directly… I know the Bible is the word of God because the Catholic Church taught me so and He revealed it to me. That is just my personal experience and I will take it to the grave with me
There, I played along and shared some experiences. Hopefully this doesn’t come back to bite me (or flame me)
God Bless (And I really mean it)
No corruption of man authorizes other men to create new doctrines, and pander heresies to solve the problem of corruption. This is not God’s way of solving the problem.
These promises were made to His Church. The Church founded by Christ is that which is based upon the Apostles and prophets. These promises are to those who are in unity with the Apostles, and their successors.
You are quite right, 1voice. The Catholic Church never has claimed “complete jurisdiction of the Truth”. This lies in the person of Christ only, who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
Sorry 1voice, this is not going to work. Not all the verses of scripture are addressing the same group. It is very important to distinguish who is being addressed in the passages. Jesus made specific promises to his Apostles that do not apply to those who depart from the unity of the One Faith.
This is very similar to my own experience. I was not getting the answers I wanted, either. I was very frustrated with poor catechesis, and intolerant of “mystery”. I had much more need of concreteness in my youth. I left the church for 20+ years.
Curious if you took to reading scriptures, and I believe you did, what did you do when you hit the scripture that said the CHURCH was the Pilar of all truth.Thanks for the clarification. Missed your post earlier.
I’ll try to make this short and avoid being lazy
I was raised in the RCC, I was baptized a month after I was born. I had my 1st Communion, my Confirmation, did Altar Boy duties, was a guest speaker at Catholic retreats, attended two different seminaries (Local diocese and an Augustine one, 2 years each) as a guest, etc. The reason I bring this up is to sum up a Roman Catholic upbringing during my personal life and my academic life. My school was named after St. Phillip the Apostle. Like most of you, I understand where we get the bible from and all the sacrifices and diligent work the Church Fathers performed for us to enjoy what we have today as the Holy Bible.
During one of my retreats, I had some personal issues and I was not “feeling” too gracious. I waited till the end of the sermon and went back to the chapel by myself and walked to the altar and looking straight to the crucified Christ, I thought to myself: "This never happened (thinking about Christ and the entire christian history) and we (people) are just light bulbs (We turn on while we have life and when we die we just become food for worms, there is nothing after that). I immediately passed out and all I remember was seeing this very bright light, almost blinding. I regained my consciousness laying on the couch of the Chapel’s Priest chamber. They carried me there… leaving some space for all the jokes or smart remarks
I started reading scriptures like never before, completely convinced that what I had been taught for most of the years of my life was completely, and without doubt, true. This is when I went to the St. Augustine seminar (I was in college). During this time, I had so many questions about the history of the Church, the Traditions, the way things were practiced, I believed the word of God but I wanted to understand the practices if the Church, I realized that some of the things were not included in scripture and I was eager to understand the reasoning behind the practices. All I got most of the time was: “That is a mystery of Faith, just do what you are told and follow your heart”… So, I left the church.
I went on to practice, almost every other religion/divination/etc practice (Santeria, Spiritualism, Pentecostal church) that I could get my hands into. Quickly realizing that they were all lacking the solid apostolic teaching of the Catholic Church.
So I left religion completely.
Fast forward, I discovered Martin Luther… I know, I know… a fellow angry ex-catholic
So, to answer your question more directly… I know the Bible is the word of God because the Catholic Church taught me so and He revealed it to me. That is just my personal experience and I will take it to the grave with me
There, I played along and shared some experiences. Hopefully this doesn’t come back to bite me (or flame me)
God Bless (And I really mean it)
And LOOK AT YOURSELF!!! You came back home, and I believe it is by your lack of understanding and knowledge that made you hungry to learn, and by what you have learned can be here and help others who cannot see what you could not see, but now SEE!!
I know this is off the subject … but here goes… Your premise is that within Catholicism alone … ‘The lineage is not merely physical, it is spiritual, doctrinal, theological, sacramental, historical.’